Saving Guardsman Ryan: Imperial Navy landing ships, including a Baneblade carrier....

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**Furyou Miko**

Isn't the Taurox taller and bulkier than any existing Guard chassis?

Also, I don't know about normal sentinels, but drop sentinels fit into the back of a valkyrie, or a sky talon can carry two of them or a single tauros assault vehicle, which is basically a light jeep.

**SisterSydney**

Advice appreciated -- listing individual vehicles is tricky. I'm guesstimating how much capacity each takes up based less on volume than on weight (err, mass?), since available space tends to be the limiting factor for infantry but weight tends to be the limiting factor for vehicles. (I presume that tall walkers like Sentinels are able to squat to fit and sort of shuffle out on their knees...).

With that in mind, I'd be eager for critique as to whether I've put different Imperial vehicles into the right weight classes.

**SisterSydney**

I've revised the Overlord as well now: No Ceramite, most of the weapons now have Skyfire (but not Interceptor, so they're useless against ground targets), and clearer rules on vehicle capacity -- which I'll add to the Juno if people think they make sense.

Overlord Heavy Assault Lander: 855 points
The Overlord can carry a hundred Guardsmen, a platoon of tanks, or a single Baneblade-class superheavy. While hardly the Imperial Navy's largest landing craft, it is the largest the fleet will routinely land under enemy fire, making it a favorite of Astra Miltarum commanders seeking to do what the Guard does best: Throw masses of men and metal at the enemy as fast as possible. Indeed, the Overlord is so large by the standards of anyone but the Navy that it can flatten enemy infantry and crush tanks as it lands while keeping its passengers safe inside -- until, of course, the assault ramp drops and opens the door to hell.

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**Ashiraya**

SisterSydney wrote:
most of the weapons now have Skyfire (but not Interceptor, so they're useless against ground targets)

'Useless' is a dangerous word.

I doubt anyone would call snap shots 'useless' after seeing what Lootas can do to aircraft.

Why does the Armoured Sentinel take up 50% more space than the Scout when the model is not larger?

Your formula for passengers does not work since additional passengers become less and less useful the more you have. Therefore you should not add a flat 3 points per capacity, instead, reduce it to 2 and eventually 1 when you have reached high enough.

A TFC can fit in a pod, even with its Techmarine following, so it should be 10.

How the feth is a Leman Russ 75% bigger than a Hydra? Or Repressor? Or Wyvern?

Taurox should both take 10. Can stretch to 15. None of them should be 20. They simply are not that big, are they?

Deathstrikes do not take twice as much space as Manticores.

**SisterSydney**

True, snap shots sometimes hit, and the Overlord has enough heavy bolter shots to make it count, plus twin-linking on the lascannons gives you a much better chance of hitting on a snapshot. What I'm trying to convey is that giving a weapon Skyfire but not Interceptor isn't an upgrade, since what it gains against flying targets it loses against ground targets.

I'm basing vehicle requirements on (guesstimated) weight rather than volume. Vehicles (being mostly metal) are much denser than living creatures (which are mostly water), so I figured mass would be the limiting factor.

As for passengers -- well, maybe, but you could equally well say there're economies of scale, so that dropping 100 passengers in one place all at once is better than dropping 33 passengers in 3 places.

**Ashiraya**

If it had been Orks or CSM, sure, but Guardsmen don't have the kind of assault troop outside of Bull/O-gryns to abuse Assault Vehicle appropriately.

And that is, like, 1 1/2 unit.

Assault vehicle, wut? The men are probably packed. Not easy to run out quickly into melee when you are so packed in.

As for vehicles and space, I do not doubt a sci-fi vehicle of this size would be able to ignore the weight issues in favour of focusing on space.

**Bludbaff**

I like this idea, but I honestly think they shouldn't be able to lift off again in the timescale of a battle. Thunderhawks are designed to be able to perform insertions, extractions, and air support in a single package, so it makes sense that they'd be designed to hover and shift flying modes and all that fun stuff. Marines simply use a mobility-focused style of warfare. Guard, on the other hand, don't do anything quickly. Once they arrive, they're there until the objective is achieved or they're wiped out to a man. While it makes sense they'd have a use for quick insertions to supplement failing forces, they'd probably design a vehicle that's only good for a one-way trip (in the short term, that is. Not a disposable vehicle like a drop pod, but one that will require maintenance and refueling before taking off again).

I'd probably say something like the following:

One Way Trip: When this craft arrives from reserves, it may Zoom, but once it switches to Hover mode it must remain in Hover mode. Once it lands, it becomes Immobile (but does not lose a hull point).

Forward Firebase: Once this vehicle lands, from that point forward it is treated as a Building with the same Armor Values, gains x fire points, y units may disembark per turn, blah blah blah.

**SisterSydney**

Now that's an interesting idea. Not sure about converting over to a fortification, because that's complex rules-woes, but the idea of it gaining fire points should be easy to implement.

**koooaei**

Maybe it should be a fortress in the first place