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Afflack looks good in the bat suit. I might get excited about this

I think I know what I was trying to say now and how to word it better. Regarding the average person's awareness of DC and Marvel, if you asked somebody on the street to name three characters from both, you would always get the same three names for DC, but you would get different names each time for Marvel.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I think I know what I was trying to say now and how to word it better. Regarding the average person's awareness of DC and Marvel, if you asked somebody on the street to name three characters from both, you would always get the same three names for DC, but you would get different names each time for Marvel.

Actually, I wonder how many average people on the street would even know the difference between Marvel and DC.

 AduroT wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
I think I know what I was trying to say now and how to word it better. Regarding the average person's awareness of DC and Marvel, if you asked somebody on the street to name three characters from both, you would always get the same three names for DC, but you would get different names each time for Marvel.

Actually, I wonder how many average people on the street would even know the difference between Marvel and DC.

Why would most people even care who the original cominc is made by.......in fact why do we care?

 Manchu wrote:
So why are they fighting?

That's a good question!

We can only guess, of course...

So:

1) Manipulated into it by Lex, setting up Superman as either a prospective/eventual Alien Menace/Conqueror or

2) Using public sentiment over the wide-scale destruction in Metropolis to somehow get Batman to fight Superman.

Though without that Kryptonite ring/arrow, it is going to be a short fight.

3) Batman himself somehow sees Superman as a menace and decides to beat him up - during/after which he decides he's not so bad and that they should in fact form a Super Team?

Well yeah that's what I've done with every kid I got into a fight with in school. Formed a super team

So is Batman meant to have already had his career by this point?

That voice over about asking him if he "can bleed" from Bats to Superman sounds a bit odd.

I honestly don't know why they did this particular plot line so early.

It's something they could have done at the end.

 Medium of Death wrote:
So is Batman meant to have already had his career by this point?

Supposedly Batman has been fighting in Gotham for years but is considered a myth for the most part. Unless he put you in the hospital of course.

This has been a long time coming...

Meh looks pretty terrible. They nailed batman with the dark knight series. This batman looks overdone, and the concept of SM VS Batman is just bad. It is working for Marvel, doesn't mean it will for DC.

I think you're perhaps jumping the gun here - a little?

I just want to know why they are fighting.

I guess we'll have to wait - just look at the latest Terminator trailer in terms of WTF?!? game changing spoiler revelations!

I know it's just a teaser. But the title of the movie is Batman Versus Superman: the title itself "teases" that they are going to fight. All the teaser adds is, the lighting of this movie will make it as hard to see as Bane's voice was hard to understand. And the only answer I have as to why Batman and Superman are fighting is, because Warner Brothers is fighting Disney.

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Maybe you'll have to see the movie to find out, God forbid.

 Rippy wrote:
Meh looks pretty terrible. They nailed batman with the dark knight series. This batman looks overdone, and the concept of SM VS Batman is just bad. It is working for Marvel, doesn't mean it will for DC.

They really didn't. Batman has detective skills, intellect and peak human athletic ability. Nolan Batman had none of those. The only Batman-esque thing that happened in those films was lathe phone tracker which was made by Lucius Fox.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Rippy wrote:
Meh looks pretty terrible. They nailed batman with the dark knight series. This batman looks overdone, and the concept of SM VS Batman is just bad. It is working for Marvel, doesn't mean it will for DC.

They really didn't. Batman has detective skills, intellect and peak human athletic ability. Nolan Batman had none of those. The only Batman-esque thing that happened in those films was lathe phone tracker which was made by Lucius Fox.

Agreed - Virtually nothing in the Nolanverse was Batman -or Joker or anything else really from the comics............the 2nd one was just a hugely overlong wet dream about a Super Mary Sue "terrorist" with almost an impecable prediciton ability and relyed heavily on setpieces to limop along till the bitter end.

Man of steel was a bit better - although the whole Kyrpton sequences were eyewatering bad and the end fight horribly dull - and of course he is now there apparently to protect the USA and not the world......

he is now there apparently to protect the USA and not the world......

I'm pretty sure that's been the case in almost every Superman iteration I've seen. In any case, the big thing that he's carrying over his head in the trailer? That's something from the Russian space program.

I don't know, I think they're just trying to be too serious and DAAAAAAAARK! with this movie.

To be perfectly honest, I was more interested in the idea of this film before I saw this teaser.

They could be fighting, because, after all, does the common man really know that Superman is one of the good guys? We know it because we watched Man of Steel. But, to the normal person within the setting, they know that Zod came looking for a fugitive, Superman appears, and the world nearly went to crap. Superman won the fight, but does that really prove he was the good guy? How do people know Superman wasn't behind the invasion, the big terraforming machine, etc.? Sure, the government may know the truth, but not everyone trusts the government, and, since Superman won, history is written by the victors, right? Superman's gotta prove it, and that can be hard.

EDIT: I mean, it wouldn't be too hard for someone to engineer a situation that makes Superman look like the bad guy, and Batman may feel he is the only one who can take him. Particularly if, through his contacts, Batman may have gotten a bit of that Kryptonian combat suit tech to research.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They could be fighting, because, after all, does the common man really know that Superman is one of the good guys? We know it because we watched Man of Steel. But, to the normal person within the setting, they know that Zod came looking for a fugitive, Superman appears, and the world nearly went to crap. Superman won the fight, but does that really prove he was the good guy? How do people know Superman wasn't behind the invasion, the big terraforming machine, etc.? Sure, the government may know the truth, but not everyone trusts the government, and, since Superman won, history is written by the victors, right? Superman's gotta prove it, and that can be hard.

Good guys don't dress in all black and I spent five minutes trying to remember what happened in MoS and couldn't. But Superman is clearly a good guy! You have to have a character flaw to be a bad guy, and that requires having character!

Im almost wondering if we've all got the wrong end of the stick, and it's not Superman that's the 'bad guy' but Batman. Alfred's line 'it's that feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel' might in fact be a reference to the Caped Crusader himself, who for some reason takes it upon himself to take down Superman purely for himself, as he feels (rightly or wrongly) that Superman has no place on Earth.

I think that would be an interesting twist, considering that I think everyone is expecting Bats to be the one standing up for the common man.

Hating on Superman is the New Black!

(Not really, as people seem to have been hating on Superman for...what?...20 years or so now?)

 Ahtman wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Maybe you'll have to see the movie to find out, God forbid.

Sounds like disastrous marketing.

 Paradigm wrote:
Im almost wondering if we've all got the wrong end of the stick, and it's not Superman that's the 'bad guy' but Batman. Alfred's line 'it's that feeling of powerlessness that turns good men cruel' might in fact be a reference to the Caped Crusader himself, who for some reason takes it upon himself to take down Superman purely for himself, as he feels (rightly or wrongly) that Superman has no place on Earth.

I think that would be an interesting twist, considering that I think everyone is expecting Bats to be the one standing up for the common man.

See, I think this trailer might be slight-of-hand. What if that line doesn't refer to Supes or Bats, but someone else? Someone who has plenty of power, but can't do the things that Superman can do, is ultimately powerless against him, and is *forever* jealous of him because of it? Someone with legendary cruelty?

Additionally...what if that voice at the end isn't Bruce's?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
They could be fighting, because, after all, does the common man really know that Superman is one of the good guys? We know it because we watched Man of Steel. But, to the normal person within the setting, they know that Zod came looking for a fugitive, Superman appears, and the world nearly went to crap. Superman won the fight, but does that really prove he was the good guy? How do people know Superman wasn't behind the invasion, the big terraforming machine, etc.? Sure, the government may know the truth, but not everyone trusts the government, and, since Superman won, history is written by the victors, right? Superman's gotta prove it, and that can be hard.

EDIT: I mean, it wouldn't be too hard for someone to engineer a situation that makes Superman look like the bad guy, and Batman may feel he is the only one who can take him. Particularly if, through his contacts, Batman may have gotten a bit of that Kryptonian combat suit tech to research.

Like I said in my post a page or so ago, it's *VERY* reasonable IMO that Bruce and Clark would view the events of Metropolis *VERY* differently. Each has a somewhat different perspective forged by the particular events of his "creation." A nudge here, a nudge there, and suddenly some friction becomes a fire. How hard is it to start a fight with someone in real life?

Considering my entire post here...what cruel individual could possibly be behind all of this?

Yup, looks bad..........


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Also did we forget Jesse Eisenberg is playing Lex?

Manchu wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Maybe you'll have to see the movie to find out, God forbid.

Sounds like disastrous marketing.

Maybe, but we have a lot of time to find out before the movie is actually released.

hotsauceman1 wrote:Also did we forget Jesse Eisenberg is playing Lex?

Well he has at least two lines in the teaser there, so I doubt it. There was also all the hubbub about the picture of him as Luthor a week or two ago.

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Culture war?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Culture war?

Batman is from GamerGate, Superman is a SJW.


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 thedarkavenger wrote:
Good guys don't dress in all black and I spent five minutes trying to remember what happened in MoS and couldn't. But Superman is clearly a good guy! You have to have a character flaw to be a bad guy, and that requires having character!

A brave man tried to save his race from extinction but failed when the primitive natives and a white per- I mean, another alien, killed him.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
I just want to know why they are fighting.

Culture war?

Could be a similar kind of logic. Like if Batman just beat the ever-loving hell out of a petty shoplifter, Superman said it wasn't necessary, and Bats concluded Supes must therefore also be CRIMINAL SCUM.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/04/19/a-set-photo-of-a-batman-vs-superman-spoiler/