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I am glad I added a Librarian to my 1850 list now. I may change out my Honor Guard for Storm Shield carrying Vanguard Veterans though.

 gmaleron wrote:
Looks like Marines players might want to stop complaining as much as they do about Tau after this...seriously this is brutal, and all the other powers that have been shown are also really good!

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Tau have the shots to cope. It's not like anyone is getting an armor save against the ion accelerator anyway.

Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Misfortune causes rends on "6's". What are you saying about null zone?

 Ravenous D wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
I'm probably ignorant, but where is this power coming from? I don't see any new 40k releases on the GW site.

Angels of death release on the 16th. Marines are getting 4 new power trees with 28 new powers, in addition to new units, relics and formations

Oh my God...why do they need this.

Martel732 wrote:
Misfortune causes rends on "6's". What are you saying about null zone?

Don't Eldar have a power that lets them force the opponents to reroll failed saves? Or am I thinking 6th?

 Crazyterran wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Misfortune causes rends on "6's". What are you saying about null zone?

Don't Eldar have a power that lets them force the opponents to reroll failed saves? Or am I thinking 6th?

Maybe they do. I haven't seen them use it recently.

Martel732 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Misfortune causes rends on "6's". What are you saying about null zone?

Don't Eldar have a power that lets them force the opponents to reroll failed saves? Or am I thinking 6th?

Maybe they do. I haven't seen them use it recently.

That was the 6th edition Misfortune.

Misfortune+Skitarii Vanguard with Radium Carbines DESTROYS EVERYTHING

So basically it sounds like they brought back 5th ed null zone?

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

They have a power to give their unit a 3+ Invulnerable save, no? (goes back to look)

Oh god damnit, it just gives him a 3+ invulnerable save. I need to read better, clearly. I mean, what the hell is the point of that? Librarians can already get Stormshields... grumble... grumble...

Twice you've caught me not reading properly, sir! Twice!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

I assume he is referring to Electro Shield for 3+ invuln but it only targets the psyker not the unit.

Oh hooray. Another psychic power made useless by the scatterlaser existing.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

They have a power to give their unit a 3+ Invulnerable save, no? (goes back to look)

Oh god damnit, it just gives him a 3+ invulnerable save. I need to read better, clearly. I mean, what the hell is the point of that? Librarians can already get Stormshields... grumble... grumble...

Twice you've caught me not reading properly, sir! Twice!

Again, no worries. What you are getting me to do is take a closer look at the previews, so that is a good thing. That power is actually a Fulmination power, so it is possible for you to be right about a Technomancer power giving an Invul. Also, Librarians can only take a Storm Shield in Terminator armor, so this saves someone 40 pts.

Wait whot a Technomancer....

What herecy is this. Is there a link to the powers already known ?

 Orock wrote:
Oh good, I got tired of playing things other than marines and eldar in tournaments.

Best thing you ever posted.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

They have a power to give their unit a 3+ Invulnerable save, no? (goes back to look)

Oh god damnit, it just gives him a 3+ invulnerable save. I need to read better, clearly. I mean, what the hell is the point of that? Librarians can already get Stormshields... grumble... grumble...

Twice you've caught me not reading properly, sir! Twice!

Again, no worries. What you are getting me to do is take a closer look at the previews, so that is a good thing. That power is actually a Fulmination power, so it is possible for you to be right about a Technomancer power giving an Invul. Also, Librarians can only take a Storm Shield in Terminator armor, so this saves someone 40 pts.

TDA is also the only way that Librarians get a 2+ save. So really, 40 points isn't crazy if you were already planning on making a choppy Librarian. And if you are, you'd want the Storm Shield for the guarantee, so, the power is kind of a resounding meh.

It might be nice if Tigurius gets it, but that's about all I can see.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Technomancer to give Honor Guard Storm Shields will be nice.

Hey, if Librarius has Null Zone (Misfortune for Invulnerable saves), then we really are not allowed to bitch about Eldar Powers. Until then, Conceal/Reveal are still a thing, as is Misfortune.

Explain the top statement. How is Technomancer giving Storm Shields to Honour Guard? This may drastically increase the effectiveness of my PedroStar.

They have a power to give their unit a 3+ Invulnerable save, no? (goes back to look)

Oh god damnit, it just gives him a 3+ invulnerable save. I need to read better, clearly. I mean, what the hell is the point of that? Librarians can already get Stormshields... grumble... grumble...

Twice you've caught me not reading properly, sir! Twice!

Again, no worries. What you are getting me to do is take a closer look at the previews, so that is a good thing. That power is actually a Fulmination power, so it is possible for you to be right about a Technomancer power giving an Invul. Also, Librarians can only take a Storm Shield in Terminator armor, so this saves someone 40 pts.

TDA is also the only way that Librarians get a 2+ save. So really, 40 points isn't crazy if you were already planning on making a choppy Librarian. And if you are, you'd want the Storm Shield for the guarantee, so, the power is kind of a resounding meh.

It might be nice if Tigurius gets it, but that's about all I can see.

Might be nice on a Brother Captain / Grand Master for the GKs. Can't take a Storm Shield but is more of a melee character than Librarian so trying to get increased durability (and can't take Biomancy) so isn't out of the question for him to make use of that power.

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
I'm probably ignorant, but where is this power coming from? I don't see any new 40k releases on the GW site.

Angels of death release on the 16th. Marines are getting 4 new power trees with 28 new powers, in addition to new units, relics and formations

Oh my God...why do they need this.

The vast majority of the formations and relics are actually just stuff from all of the supplements that have been released over the years (such as Skyhammer) compiled into one book. I believe that Salamanders are also getting a formation. The big new thing that SM are getting is the psychic powers.

 EnTyme wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
I'm probably ignorant, but where is this power coming from? I don't see any new 40k releases on the GW site.

Angels of death release on the 16th. Marines are getting 4 new power trees with 28 new powers, in addition to new units, relics and formations

Oh my God...why do they need this.

The vast majority of the formations and relics are actually just stuff from all of the supplements that have been released over the years (such as Skyhammer) compiled into one book. I believe that Salamanders are also getting a formation. The big new thing that SM are getting is the psychic powers.

Psychic powers that are going to break the game even further with their super friends deathstars?

It's strong, but wouldn't it be nice if we could get new rules without people immediately planning to abuse it

Beyond that, they look strong, but not game breaking unless someone is actively trying to. It's also "limited" by only working on the caster's unit, which is nice.

Veil of Time on a Dark Angels Librarian paired with Azrael in a Guard Blob. Good luck killing that thing!

 Brennonjw wrote:
It's strong, but wouldn't it be nice if we could get new rules without people immediately planning to abuse it

Beyond that, they look strong, but not game breaking unless someone is actively trying to.

which people will immediatley do en masse, just as they have woth scatterbikes, RP bonuses, etc. If GW tells people they can, they will

It's also "limited" by only working on the caster's unit, which is nice.

given that theres relativley little difficulty building the caster into the places where it would be abused the most, it doesnt help too much, though it does make it less powerful than the Eldar equivalent.

There better be some powers that increase WS/Strength to a unit
Would be God-Like on stuff like Death Company or Sanguinary Guard

Damn, Now that urges me to clear off the dust on my Librarian Dreadnought

Someone needs to do a star vs star test using this new psychic power:
Invis centurians with a 2+ re-rollable armour save
Vs
Invis screamers with a 2++ re-rollable invul save. (Alternatively have horrors with invus 2++ re-rollable for the extra casting dice)

 mrhappyface wrote:
Someone needs to do a star vs star test using this new psychic power:
Invis centurians with a 2+ re-rollable armour save
Vs
Invis screamers with a 2++ re-rollable invul save. (Alternatively have horrors with invus 2++ re-rollable for the extra casting dice)

What is there to test? Neither unit will die. Its a stalemate

The screamers could use their bite to go through the centurions armour.

 mrhappyface wrote:
The screamers could use their bite to go through the centurions armour.

They're still invisible and since they need a psyker character to make them a deathstar there should also be a storm shield in the way

Culexus Assassins in Space Marine Drop Pods.

Just keep on gaking on the background guys.