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There you go, you can add libbys to units and reroll all your saves, you can quit your bitchin. Imperial deathstars just got insanely survivable.

Not the storm wolf cav, please! Anything else!

The options are endless now. If libby conclave can access these then dizzzz-amn.

Great just what we needed, Fortune for Imperial units. Can't wait for all the 2++ rerollable deathstars

 CrownAxe wrote:
Great just what we needed, Fortune for Imperial units. Can't wait for all the 2++ rerollable deathstars

ThunderLibbyRavenWolfConclave, complete with 2++ rerollable, invisibility and feel no pain. Such Tactics!

I'm probably ignorant, but where is this power coming from? I don't see any new 40k releases on the GW site.

PrinceOfMadness wrote:
I'm probably ignorant, but where is this power coming from? I don't see any new 40k releases on the GW site.

Angels of death release on the 16th. Marines are getting 4 new power trees with 28 new powers, in addition to new units, relics and formations

The Culexus Assassin seems to become more and more enticing for all players to convert into their force with these psychic shenanigans running about.

 Grimskul wrote:
The Culexus Assassin seems to become more and more enticing for all players to convert into their force with these psychic shenanigans running about.

I already run him in a pod for that reason. Grenade out and blast the libbys in the ass.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
The Culexus Assassin seems to become more and more enticing for all players to convert into their force with these psychic shenanigans running about.

I already run him in a pod for that reason. Grenade out and blast the libbys in the ass.

Harder to do for xenos races using a converted model, as an Ork player I'm still staying pure by not allying any other factions but I'll admit, I am tempted to convert an Ork kommando with a warp "vacuum" kinda of armour (like an opposite version of a shokk attack gun) which he uses to empower his body to represent how he simulates the same abilities as a Culexus Assassin.

Luckily any ruleset that has the nerfed rerollable 2+ -bit enabled won't be affected that much. Also it might have interesting effects since that's one power you have to roll for (is it a full psychic discipline?) so then folks might have less Invisibility.

Deathstars are already most countered by things that aren't interested about armoursaves (D, Stomp, Culexus in a Flyer/Pod, tarpit) so the usual counters work the same as before. It's the more ineffective stuff that suffers from this.

All and all, the most potent deathstars are already unkillable and played against in a totally different way than trying to destroy them unless you have a counter, so in a way it doesn't change much. Not saying this was needed really. Maybe now you can play some Terminators?

I dearly hope this is a late April fools joke. Orikan the Diviner is already an auto-include in lychstar and wraith star lists for Necron players as he allows rerollable saves, but at least they don't have 2+ armor. I did the math recently (because I saw a proposed rules thread that wanted to make lychguard 2+) and determined it would take 810 bolter shots to kill 5 lychguard. Centstar is going to be even worse if they can get invisibility. Rerollable 2+ for a unit make them virtually immune to small arms fire, and if they get invisibility too I can't think of anything that can kill them.

I never want to hear people complaining about Eldar Psyker Trickery ever again.

Nobody should have 2+ rerollable saves. Period.

Scratch that. Nobody should have rerollable saves.

 Xerics wrote:
I never want to hear people complaining about Eldar Psyker Trickery ever again.

No we'll just complain about both now

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Xerics wrote:
I never want to hear people complaining about Eldar Psyker Trickery ever again.

No we'll just complain about both now

*slinks away into shadows with Tzeentch Psychic Trickery*

Oh good, I got tired of playing things other than marines and eldar in tournaments.

Looks like Marines players might want to stop complaining as much as they do about Tau after this...seriously this is brutal, and all the other powers that have been shown are also really good!

This applies to one unit. The one with the psyche casting it. I'm pretty sure tau are going to be less than awesome to play against. On the plus side, I've now got a reason to ally in a couple of units of GK.

Could this make Terminators worthwhile again?

Deathwing Knights with a Librarian in TDA 2+/3++ rerollable?

Can... I can haz playable Deathwing? O_o

Ooh a terminator libby with hammernators as part of the conclave (the others being with a bike star and podding grav turions). Yea... I can see this power causing problems.

*buys a Culexus Assassin*

Now i wonder if Sevrin Loth can use these powers...

Its a shame that the people writing the rules don't actually play the game because maybe then they would realize how dumb giving units rerolling saves is.

Dantes__Baals speaks. Then the commander himself lol.

Anyway, Loth is bonfide astartes. Worse yet, I'm pretty sure he can pick and choose which ones he uses. Veil of time, Prescience and Invisibility. Oh boy...

he cant pick prescience, he may only pick his powers from Biomancy,Telepathy,Telekenesis and Daemonology (both types) and i would assume these new powers when they are released (an Email to FW will be required) plus all his powers MUST be from the same tree so you can either make himself into a Deathstar,buff his units with invisiblity/GoI and Hammerhand or Spawn a lot of daemons

He can be taken in a Librarius conclave tho...
(and that veil of time will be OP on him 2++ Rerollable? YES PLEASE)

I'd be more worried about Tiggy in the Conclave. IIRC, Tiggy can reroll failed Psychic tests? Park him next to 2 other conclavers and that's Invisibility/rerollables, harnassing on a 2+ with rerolls, for a 2+/3++ rerollable. And he can take the powers of other libbies in the conclave so he could legitimately have all of these.

BLUG :\
Why did I even try to revamp my orks..


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commander dante wrote:

Now i wonder if Sevrin Loth can use these powers...

This one is easy.
-Look at the names these new schools of powers.
-look at the rules for Loth.
-look closer at his special rule that allows him to pick powers of specific schools.
-Now compare those names with the new names.

 oldzoggy wrote:
BLUG :\
Why did I even try to revamp my orks..


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commander dante wrote:

Now i wonder if Sevrin Loth can use these powers...

Look at the names these new schools of powers.
Now look at the rules for Loth.
Now look closer at his special rule that allows him to pick powers of specific schools.

Now compare those names with the new names.

Hence why i said an Email to FW will be required
After all, his rules WERE written in 6th ed

No email is required.
Rules don't give you permission to pull this trick off. He simply doesn't have the rule to select powers from the new schools, even if the supplement allows him to generate powers from the new school.
Emailing them will change nothing. You will need an errata or update that changes the rule. An email to FW is just as helpful as an Email to your local store owner who just happens to sell those new power cards.
You could try to convince your opponent to house rule otherwise but most players will not be that happy to do this.

 oldzoggy wrote:
No email is required.
Rules don't give you permission to pull this trick off. He simply doesn't have the rule to select powers from the new schools, even if the supplement allows him to generate powers from the new school.
Emailing them will change nothing. You will need an errata or update that changes the rule. An email to FW is just as helpful as an Email to your local store owner who just happens to sell those new power cards.
You could try to convince your opponent to house rule otherwise but most players will not be that happy to do this.

Unlike GW, FW emails are as good as errata as they actually answer the question and are usually consistant, and consistant with the eventual errata. When Loth was first announced he simply knew all Space Marine powers, and then he knew all of an entire discipline, now he gets to pick his powers. This is a "game changer" so it'll require another FAQ