New Veil of time power (aka Imperials can quit their bitchin)

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**mrhappyface**

CrownAxe wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
The screamers could use their bite to go through the centurions armour.

They're still invisible and since they need a psyker character to make them a deathstar there should also be a storm shield in the way

But how long would they last? A 1/36 chance to lose a wound is still a chance.

**jreilly89**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Veil of Time on a Dark Angels Librarian paired with Azrael in a Guard Blob. Good luck killing that thing!

That'd be as annoying as 20 Warriors with RP and an Overlord in a Decurion, but not as threatening

**CrownAxe**

mrhappyface wrote:
CrownAxe wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
The screamers could use their bite to go through the centurions armour.

They're still invisible and since they need a psyker character to make them a deathstar there should also be a storm shield in the way

But how long would they last? A 1/36 chance to lose a wound is still a chance.

A unit scremers is only getting 9 ap2 attacks per combat, with invis that's only 1.5 hits and with the T5 thats only .75 wounds. Even before you take the rerollable 3++ storm shield on the libby into account they aren't doing any damage.

**master of ordinance**

Oh great, just what we needed. Yet more Space Marine buffs. What was wrong, some screaming children where not winning all of a sudden?

**Bobthehero**

Grimtuff wrote:
Culexus Assassins in Space Marine Drop Pods.

Just keep on gaking on the background guys.

Assassins are usually deployed via pods, so its a good way to represent that

**commander dante**

Bobthehero wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Culexus Assassins in Space Marine Drop Pods.

Just keep on gaking on the background guys.

Assassins are usually deployed via pods, so its a good way to represent that

pretty much that, or a Vindicare to snipe the librarian turn 1
A Callidus to get into CC turn 2
or an Eversor to just MURDER EVERYTHING

**Ravenous D**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Veil of Time on a Dark Angels Librarian paired with Azrael in a Guard Blob. Good luck killing that thing!

Then take libby conclave and with sanctic daemonology and get 3++ Now you have guardsmen that need 9 wounds each.

If anything this release just looks like they've stopped caring and that the end times are here before they AoS 40k.

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Xerics wrote:
I never want to hear people complaining about Eldar Psyker Trickery ever again.

Nah it wont stop them because Eldar have D that can counter it. Eldar are the worst. Just look at Martel, that guy sucks so bad against eldar he is a ball of anger the second the name comes up.

**Frozocrone**

Only valid publications are rulebooks and online FAQ's, emails count for squat (although I acknowledge that FW rule writing and clarity is better than GW).

I guess it's time for Xenos races bar Eldar and possibly Tau can start complaining? Maybe lump Orks into that, since they can have their main HQ reroll saves (although without an Invulnerable to counteract AP2/Ignore Cover)

**Ravenous D**

Orks get to legit complain, their book is awful and had one of its barely viable builds deleted.

**Frozocrone**

I'm referring more to re-roll saves.

Of course Orks can complain about their book, it is garbage compared to the power creep the game has experienced since 2015. I was pretty upset and vocal about their supplement update.

**Ravenous D**

Best part is this

Dark angels, blood angels, grey knights and space wolves get them too. Pretty safe to say Loth will get them. Enter End times 40k power crank territory

**Crazyterran**

Loth doesn't get them until Forge World actually re-releases SM Characters or the Badab War, and before we all gak ourselves, remember, you have to actually roll the Veil of Time, and Sanctuary, and Invisibility. Not impossible, but not as world ending as we thought.

**Ravenous D**

Crazyterran wrote:
Loth doesn't get them until Forge World actually re-releases SM Characters or the Badab War, and before we all gak ourselves, remember, you have to actually roll the Veil of Time, and Sanctuary, and Invisibility. Not impossible, but not as world ending as we thought.

Tiggy pretty much means you get it. Plus the libby conclave is a pretty safe bet.

Not to mention we haven't seen the other 25 powers.

**Vaktathi**

Ravenous D wrote:

Dark angels, blood angels, grey knights and space wolves get them too. Pretty safe to say Loth will get them. Enter End times 40k power crank territory

We've been there for the last year+, between Necrons, Eldar, SM's, etc, we've been there for quite some time.

**Tenzilla**

Remember when everyone thought summoning was going to break the game?

Im not a fan of this by any means, the time and energy could have been spent on other more needing armies, however they are just getting more options for stupidity. The deathstars are already OP now they have to pick which OP they are. I dont see them getting any worse from this.

**gungo**

Deadshot wrote:
oldzoggy wrote:
No email is required.
Rules don't give you permission to pull this trick off. He simply doesn't have the rule to select powers from the new schools, even if the supplement allows him to generate powers from the new school.
Emailing them will change nothing. You will need an errata or update that changes the rule. An email to FW is just as helpful as an Email to your local store owner who just happens to sell those new power cards.
You could try to convince your opponent to house rule otherwise but most players will not be that happy to do this.

Unlike GW, FW emails are as good as errata as they actually answer the question and are usually consistant, and consistant with the eventual errata. When Loth was first announced he simply knew all Space Marine powers, and then he knew all of an entire discipline, now he gets to pick his powers. This is a "game changer" so it'll require another FAQ

To many fake emails posted on 4chan for me to ever take an email as proof of any rule in 40k. Get fw to answer your question on Facebook than you have something.

However rolling on this tree just to get a chance at rerollable saves is still worse then invisibility tree. Telepathy is just a good tree all around. And this is just another reason to play ITC rules and nerf 2+ rerollable. Well it's not like a 2+ invul followed by 4+ invul is that much easier to kill.

**NoiseMarine with Tinnitus**

Don't worry, I will just use my BL sorcerer cabal to take over your grav and grav amp centurion mate stood next to you. See how that 2+ on your libby works to your advantage sir!

**CrownAxe**

NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Don't worry, I will just use my BL sorcerer cabal to take over your grav and grav amp centurion mate stood next to you. See how that 2+ on your libby works to your advantage sir!

Why wouldn't the libbys be in the Centstar?

**Konrax**

So since imperials have a possible counter using assassins, what about all the other races?

**Lammikkovalas**

Konrax wrote:
So since imperials have a possible counter using assassins, what about all the other races?

L2P?

**Martel732**

Shoot the unbuffed units. It's not like SW can't already construct the unkillable Wolfstar.

**AncientSkarbrand**

Wolfstar was fine compared to wolfstar with veil of time. I used to be able to kill wolfstar, now what do I do?

A nurgle prince with balesword was all I needed in the past... now I feel left behind entirely. Even 2 nurgle princes with a balesword is iffy now.

Would it be possible to have a grey knight cast sanctuary on wolfstar for a 2++ rerollable invuln save? If this is the case I'm going to have to speak to my group about how to deal with it.

**NoiseMarine with Tinnitus**

CrownAxe wrote:
NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Don't worry, I will just use my BL sorcerer cabal to take over your grav and grav amp centurion mate stood next to you. See how that 2+ on your libby works to your advantage sir!
Why wouldn't the libbys be in the Centstar?

Very well, you yes you plasma cannon wielding devestator, I understand the centstar are mocking you. Blam (dependent on scatter).

**Martel732**

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Wolfstar was fine compared to wolfstar with veil of time. I used to be able to kill wolfstar, now what do I do?

A nurgle prince with balesword was all I needed in the past... now I feel left behind entirely. Even 2 nurgle princes with a balesword is iffy now.

Would it be possible to have a grey knight cast sanctuary on wolfstar for a 2++ rerollable invuln save? If this is the case I'm going to have to speak to my group about how to deal with it.

Does the power reroll all saves or just armor saves?

**AncientSkarbrand**

It rerolls all saves. Otherwise it wouldn't matter much.

**Martel732**

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
It rerolls all saves. Otherwise it wouldn't matter much.

Well, that's a pretty big problem, then.

**AncientSkarbrand**

Martel732 wrote:
AncientSkarbrand wrote:
It rerolls all saves. Otherwise it wouldn't matter much.

Well, that's a pretty big problem, then.

I'm not the most knowledgeable player, but it seems to me that wolfstar with this tactic is now one of if not the best lists. Particularly if there are grey knight psykers with 12" movement.

Christ, even without a 2++ rerollable, wolfstar durability is now insane with veil of time.

**Quickjager**

No 12 inch GK Libby movement, we aren't allowed nice things.

But it looks like a Culuxes is mandatory from now on in lists. Maybe even two.

**cosmicsoybean**

For real though, anyone could see this coming, 3++ wasnt good enough for the SPESS MUREEN because they could die! Best course of action is buff the everloving crap out of them, 10/10 gw. This might be the final straw for me.

**SGTPozy**

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