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2017/02/05 11:49:48
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Seriously these sculpts are wasted in PVC for a boardgame.
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Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis |
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2017/02/05 12:03:44
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Regular Dakkanaut
Berlin
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No, they are not ...
The material is good. I'm happy with the stuff I got for Blood Rage & Co.
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2017/02/05 13:01:40
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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The Blood Rage minis absolutely do not suffer for being made of PVC. They're just as easy to paint as Reaper Bones, but more detailed and less bendy, and are amazing sculpts.
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2017/02/05 13:12:55
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Crafty Bray Shaman
Anor Londo
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Agreed, in an ideal world they would be produced in both resin and PVC, but I can't see that happening.
After seeing that dragon my first thought was , but then I realised how difficult it will be to paint as it is 99% certain to come pre-assembled.
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2017/02/05 14:12:14
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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This will be the first kickstarter I back. The minis look amazing and there's plenty of crazy monsters.
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2017/02/05 14:27:03
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Fixture of Dakka
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Miniatures for 3 of the 5 clans - Top row - Koi Clan, Middle row - Dragonfly Clan, Bottom row - Bonsai Clan. The other 2 clans are Turtle and Lotus. The Daimyo is on the left next is the Shinto and then 2 sculpts for the Bushi.
Designer of the game, Eric M. Lang, was kind enough to give us a taste of how the oni will work: “Normally you want to be high in honor, because it gives you tremendous bonuses in game. However, there are a few strategies (like the usage of these hideous oni) that reward the dishonorable. Choose your path carefully!”
"Bushi are the primary force for each player's Clan, able to dominate the map in both war and harvest time."
"Shinto are warrior priests, traveling the Earth alongside the Bushi or worshiping the heavens at the Kami temple to gain you favor. They are a highly versatile figure, and players have a limited amount of each,"
"The Daimyo is your leader. Each player only gets one. They represent force on the board like any other figure, but they can also provide during Harvest time. And unlike other figures, they can be upgraded through powerful enhancements throughout the game. Daimyos provide force like any other figure, but they cannot be targeted by card effects nor taken hostage in combat."
"Each Clan has a powerful ability that affects every players’ strategic and tactical decision-making. Their abilities also give them something unique to offer during the Tea Ceremony (deal making phase) of each turn. The Dragonfly, have the ability to fly across the map and ignore normal movement rules. It is important to me that the Clans have a lot of personality, which is why I gave them all strongly defining special abilities. On the other hand, I don’t want the Clans to be pigeonholed into scripted game play either. The design of the Clans gives players powerful negotiating tools (as they each have unique advantages all the time), but the upgrade cards players buy during the course of the game are from a common pool, so even if you enjoy the Koi for their powerful ability, you’ll be able to try a variety of different strategies each game.”
"While players each represent a Clan, they may also recruit monsters to join them. Monsters like the powerful Phoenix, which never truly dies in battle. In Rising Sun's twist on Japanese folklore, the Yurei is the fell ghost of a long passed Daimyo. In the game, the player who gets to use this will have all the benefits of a second leader to their clan! Very powerful indeed.”
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2017/02/05 16:49:22
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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So, this stuff is around the cast quality of Journey?
Either way, I'm so in for at least a basic pledge..
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2017/02/05 17:07:37
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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Damn, those really are going to be some impressive sculpts.
I have a feeling this is going to be a big campaign, considering the love Blood Rage gets and the hype they've been building up for this one over the past year. I wonder if it'll be a full month long campaign?
They'll get my pledge, no doubt.
Plus if I'm not happy with how Forbidden Fortress' figures end up I can always use these instead!
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2017/02/05 19:10:41
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Fixture of Dakka
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I loooove Blood Rage, and the quality of the models there was really top notch, right up there with most wargaming models. I am super excited for this one, even though I probably don't need another board game
For anyone worried about the figures though, the only concern on quality is the spears, which will need to be straightened. The other concern is that they will be hard to come by in the future; I am still irked that many of the Blood Rage expansions were not released.
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2017/02/05 20:39:07
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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I replaced a lot of the spears on my Blood Rage minis with wire ones. Bit of a shame as the heads on the originals were nice, but it's really no big deal.
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2017/02/05 20:53:18
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Crafty Bray Shaman
Anor Londo
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The old hot water-reshape-coldwater trick worked fine on the spears for me.
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2017/02/05 23:17:53
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Stealthy Warhound Titan Princeps
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That looks great! Looks like a different audience from Relic Knights, so I don't see that hurting them too much.
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2017/02/06 00:00:15
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Looks like Titan Forge is getting ready to pull the trigger on an oriental minis KS too
plus i'm sure there was another one floating across my facebook feed too
Oriental seems to be flavour of the month
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2017/02/06 00:33:34
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Are you thinking of the Flying Frog game?
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2017/02/06 02:09:13
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Swamp Troll
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OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Looks like Titan Forge is getting ready to pull the trigger on an oriental minis KS too
plus i'm sure there was another one floating across my facebook feed too
Oriental seems to be flavour of the month
I don't know if I would go near the Titan-forge one. I want to like them.. but they're kind of hit or miss.
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2017/02/06 03:35:36
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Incorporating Wet-Blending
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Well, add Warlord Games: http://www.beastsofwar.com/test-of-honour/warlord-previews-samurai-miniatures-game/
Reaper Bones also had some supernatural Japanese figures in their last KS. Wonder if they will have more... : http://i.imgur.com/IqvU3RU.jpg
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2017/02/08 01:23:18
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Dangerous Outrider
Baltimore, MD USA
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The Warlord Games ones are just the old Wargames factory ones. They had Ashigaru, Foot Samurai and Mounted Samurai.
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2017/02/08 04:38:47
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Swamp Troll
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After today's Massive Darkness update I'm done with CMON.. Good luck to everyone backing this
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2017/02/08 06:34:38
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Dakka Veteran
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I want this game for the minis, but pvc will destroy detail. I passed on the World of Smog because of that. It had some wonderful sculpts, but when they showed the casts... Damn, was it a waste of sculptors talent.
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2017/02/08 08:05:26
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Unstoppable Bloodthirster of Khorne
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MLaw wrote:After today's Massive Darkness update I'm done with CMON.. Good luck to everyone backing this
The "No ETA" thing? I'm assuming that it'll be either September or January. That's how they seem to roll. I only back very occasional CMON KS (or anyone's KS) at this point.
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2017/02/08 08:09:41
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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Think BoW were reporting 7th March for the start date.
Those miniatures look absolutely stunning!
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2017/02/08 13:10:17
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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If this is the update in question:
We know you're anxious to dive into the Darkness, and so are we. But good things come to those who wait, and we still have some ways to go yet. The factory is still closed due to the Chinese New Year. In the meantime we are getting everything ready to start production in high gear once the factory reopens. Once production starts in earnest we'll be able to provide you with an up-to-date schedule for the delivery of this Kickstarter.
it seems a bit odd to have that be the cause of a meltdown at the nuclear overreactor!
The BLOOD RAGE minis were fantastic, so I suspect that these will be too.
Still on the fence about whether or not to back this one though.
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2017/02/08 13:35:52
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Eric Lang is consistently fantastic when it comes to game design. I'm backing this one even if I either just keep the minis as playing pieces, unpainted... or sell them and use counters,
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2017/02/09 07:21:56
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Swamp Troll
San Diego
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Alpharius wrote:If this is the update in question:
We know you're anxious to dive into the Darkness, and so are we. But good things come to those who wait, and we still have some ways to go yet. The factory is still closed due to the Chinese New Year. In the meantime we are getting everything ready to start production in high gear once the factory reopens. Once production starts in earnest we'll be able to provide you with an up-to-date schedule for the delivery of this Kickstarter.
it seems a bit odd to have that be the cause of a meltdown at the nuclear overreactor!
The BLOOD RAGE minis were fantastic, so I suspect that these will be too.
Still on the fence about whether or not to back this one though.
It's not so much a nuclear meltdown as a straw breaking a camel's back type of thing.. They've done how many of these now? They don't communicate unless it's dire and leave people hanging. I was in the boat of getting a French rulebook for ZBP and the only responses I got to queries about replacements were rude "wait your turn, you'll get it when you do" sort of things.. They were slightly more professional than that but only just. Then when I was concerned about my Others pledge not arriving before my move, their response was that it was my problem and I need to make sure the post office is up to date. They are the only KS I've ever had respond like that to a concern about a move (and I've backed.. too many). The Hellfire Club in Others looks like Tomy Toys ran the molds but CMoN won't reply to questions about the QA on that. Now, Massive Darkness FINALLY gets an update and it's an update to say here's some really thin doors and we have no clue when we'll have your stuff. It's not like it's their first time dealing with China.. you'd think they'd have this figured out.
Anyway.. when they get a good hit, it's good. I had 1 problem with Rum and Bones and that was dice.. I love everything else about that. The other CMoN projects I've backed have been headaches.. and they really don't seem to have changed or have a plan to change anything at this point.. so.. yeah. Not a nuclear meltdown just finally fed up with their BS.
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2017/02/09 14:29:15
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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CMON really has...subotptimal... CS after a campaign ends. Every other company going so quiet after getting $$$ would make me suspect fraud
Their campaigns are always late, no matter how much experience they have. So that doesn't matter in my decision to back or not. The fact that nobody really wants to play and the minis, while often very nice for PVC don't lend themselves well to my true passion in this hobby: converting.
Rising Sun will stay on my radar thanks to Blood Rage and Eric but what I'm really hoping for is another Masmorra game in a few years when my nephews are all old enough to read. Kicking myself for not backing Inferno and freezing it for a couple of years. So I hope KS support doesn't dry out because of their antics.
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2017/02/09 15:35:18
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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MLaw wrote: Alpharius wrote:If this is the update in question:
We know you're anxious to dive into the Darkness, and so are we. But good things come to those who wait, and we still have some ways to go yet. The factory is still closed due to the Chinese New Year. In the meantime we are getting everything ready to start production in high gear once the factory reopens. Once production starts in earnest we'll be able to provide you with an up-to-date schedule for the delivery of this Kickstarter.
it seems a bit odd to have that be the cause of a meltdown at the nuclear overreactor!
The BLOOD RAGE minis were fantastic, so I suspect that these will be too.
Still on the fence about whether or not to back this one though.
It's not so much a nuclear meltdown as a straw breaking a camel's back type of thing.. They've done how many of these now? They don't communicate unless it's dire and leave people hanging. I was in the boat of getting a French rulebook for ZBP and the only responses I got to queries about replacements were rude "wait your turn, you'll get it when you do" sort of things.. They were slightly more professional than that but only just. Then when I was concerned about my Others pledge not arriving before my move, their response was that it was my problem and I need to make sure the post office is up to date. They are the only KS I've ever had respond like that to a concern about a move (and I've backed.. too many). The Hellfire Club in Others looks like Tomy Toys ran the molds but CMoN won't reply to questions about the QA on that. Now, Massive Darkness FINALLY gets an update and it's an update to say here's some really thin doors and we have no clue when we'll have your stuff. It's not like it's their first time dealing with China.. you'd think they'd have this figured out.
Anyway.. when they get a good hit, it's good. I had 1 problem with Rum and Bones and that was dice.. I love everything else about that. The other CMoN projects I've backed have been headaches.. and they really don't seem to have changed or have a plan to change anything at this point.. so.. yeah. Not a nuclear meltdown just finally fed up with their BS.
Well, clearly experiences will differ, and I've had pretty much the exact opposite of yours, once we got past the initial stumbling that were RELIC KNIGHTS and SEDITION WARS.
Since then, I've had nothing but excellent results and well run campaigns, start to finish. And the overall quality of all components, especially miniatures, has definitely gotten better - way better!
I'd bet that they'll knock this one out of the park quality-wise, and that they might be late by a bit in delivering it too.
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2017/02/09 17:01:44
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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If you figure in the track record two months for items to get into the containers, come across the ocean and hopefully get waived through customs, then it would be late as of now. The fact that production hasnt begun and packing is not started means at least a solid month late, probably 2-3 even before customs holding things up or dock strikes.
I am still a big fan of the CMON quality, but their response time to emails is terrible and the big push for everything to be Kickstarter exclusive has me put off (skipped the last one due to funds and all the exclusives needed to be bought in Kickstarter). I'm on the fence with this one, I was super stoked due to the Asian theme, but I'm more looking for samurai than what I've seen so far.
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LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14 |
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2017/02/09 17:06:24
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Swamp Troll
San Diego
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Alpharius wrote: MLaw wrote: Alpharius wrote:If this is the update in question:
We know you're anxious to dive into the Darkness, and so are we. But good things come to those who wait, and we still have some ways to go yet. The factory is still closed due to the Chinese New Year. In the meantime we are getting everything ready to start production in high gear once the factory reopens. Once production starts in earnest we'll be able to provide you with an up-to-date schedule for the delivery of this Kickstarter.
it seems a bit odd to have that be the cause of a meltdown at the nuclear overreactor!
The BLOOD RAGE minis were fantastic, so I suspect that these will be too.
Still on the fence about whether or not to back this one though.
It's not so much a nuclear meltdown as a straw breaking a camel's back type of thing.. They've done how many of these now? They don't communicate unless it's dire and leave people hanging. I was in the boat of getting a French rulebook for ZBP and the only responses I got to queries about replacements were rude "wait your turn, you'll get it when you do" sort of things.. They were slightly more professional than that but only just. Then when I was concerned about my Others pledge not arriving before my move, their response was that it was my problem and I need to make sure the post office is up to date. They are the only KS I've ever had respond like that to a concern about a move (and I've backed.. too many). The Hellfire Club in Others looks like Tomy Toys ran the molds but CMoN won't reply to questions about the QA on that. Now, Massive Darkness FINALLY gets an update and it's an update to say here's some really thin doors and we have no clue when we'll have your stuff. It's not like it's their first time dealing with China.. you'd think they'd have this figured out.
Anyway.. when they get a good hit, it's good. I had 1 problem with Rum and Bones and that was dice.. I love everything else about that. The other CMoN projects I've backed have been headaches.. and they really don't seem to have changed or have a plan to change anything at this point.. so.. yeah. Not a nuclear meltdown just finally fed up with their BS.
Well, clearly experiences will differ, and I've had pretty much the exact opposite of yours, once we got past the initial stumbling that were RELIC KNIGHTS and SEDITION WARS.
Since then, I've had nothing but excellent results and well run campaigns, start to finish. And the overall quality of all components, especially miniatures, has definitely gotten better - way better!
I'd bet that they'll knock this one out of the park quality-wise, and that they might be late by a bit in delivering it too.
I think the key point is that neither of our experiences are unique.. and for me that's enough of a reason.
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2017/02/09 17:08:29
Subject: Re:Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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CMON has cleared up every headache I've gotten over their campaigns- missing games, bits not present, damaged parts, duplicates of the wrong items, random parts missing from models...
It may take a while, but everything has gotten to me at some point or another.
Am I an exception though?
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2017/02/09 17:49:14
Subject: Rising Sun from CMON at Gencon (Eric Lang, Adrian Smith, Guillotine Games)
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Haven't done much with their KS's, but I've never had trouble getting replacements etc.
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