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 warhead01 wrote:
Not feeling very excited about Prey after seeing the recent trailer. I hope Predator takes them all, no survivors.

Any reason why?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:
Not feeling very excited about Prey after seeing the recent trailer. I hope Predator takes them all, no survivors.

Any reason why?

That's a fill-in-the-blank we don't need expanded on. I'm just surprised it took so many posts before someone went there.

Voss wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 warhead01 wrote:
Not feeling very excited about Prey after seeing the recent trailer. I hope Predator takes them all, no survivors.

Any reason why?

That's a fill-in-the-blank we don't need expanded on. I'm just surprised it took so many posts before someone went there.

You're not too wrong it defiantly could be.

What I do like it the setting. Over the years I tend to root for the monsters or killers in shows or movies over the cast of victims and heroes. Which has been easier in more recent years where the cast of non baddies have all been , in some movies or shows, personalities that I find abrasive or just dislike. I think the setting would be legitimately reasonable for a Predator movie.
I'll keep what I don't care for to myself because we all have our opinions on such topics, which is completely fair.

SamusDrake wrote:

ccs wrote:


It is not. You simply haven't seen enough truly bad movies apparently. Wich I guess is a good thing??

Depends if they made it onto Mystery Science Theatre 3000...

Certainly some have. Rollergator comes to mind....
If you haven't taken enough psychic damage after that one? Find a copy of Robo-Vampire. Then seek out the (un-licensed) Turkish Spiderman movie Three Dev Adem.
Do NOT blame me for any brain damage that may occur from watching this crap though. I've warned you, these are bad. Much worse than any entry in the Predator series.

Then there is Zombie Lake. It is poor.

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 Lance845 wrote:
This looks really good. Very excited.

I like the new bits of pred tech for hunting more primitive prey.

It is impossible for this to be worse than The Predator. TP (appropriate) is the worst movie ever made.

It is not. You simply haven't seen enough truly bad movies apparently. Wich I guess is a good thing??

Kids these days don't even know 'The Conquerer' exists.

Is this thread trying to imply that autism isn't the next stage of human evolution and that aliens aren't gong to try and kidnap autistic children to increase their own evolutionary prowess?

 Ahtman wrote:
Is this thread trying to imply that autism isn't the next stage of human evolution and that aliens aren't gong to try and kidnap autistic children to increase their own evolutionary prowess?

This was the single most bizarre plot twist I've ever seen in a film and I've seen that M. Night Shamalama film where aliens lethally allergic to water invade a planet that is 76% water.

 Flinty wrote:
Then there is Zombie Lake. It is poor.

I’ll see your Zombie Lake and raised you Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things.

Well. I was going to say the premise of a Predator fighting a basically unarmed native girl is a bit of a stretch.

Then I saw the cancer pit of youtube comments fuelled by stealth misogyny channels ala The Critical Drinker, so now I have to defend it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
Then there is Zombie Lake. It is poor.

I’ll see your Zombie Lake and raised you Children Shouldn’t Play With Dead Things.

Children shouldn’t play with dead things gets a rating over 5 on IMDB and is described as a cult classic. Zombie Lake is a terrible Spanish-French 1981 crap horror film that manages to get 14 on rotten tomatoes amd is described as

“Zombie Lake holds a distinctive position in the annals of execrable movie trash ... Is this enough to transform Zombie Lake from merely bad to so-bad-it's-good? No, but it is so bad that it must be seen to be believed.“

Unfortunately that then entices the unknowing to watch it to see if it is in fact that bad. It is worse. If you do defined to try it, have the fast forward control close to hand.

Oh I’ve seen both

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well. I was going to say the premise of a Predator fighting a basically unarmed native girl is a bit of a stretch.

Then I saw the cancer pit of youtube comments fuelled by stealth misogyny channels ala The Critical Drinker, so now I have to defend it.

I was going to mention the same problem. It'll be interesting to see if they justify how this hunt is in any way honourable for the Predator in question.

But then I also saw similar comments that weren't even stealthy in their racism and misogyny so yeah, feth those guys, and I hope this is as awesome as the trailer made it look.

The girl seems pretty eager to arm herself throughout the trailer?

 Lance845 wrote:
Predators is mostly a par for the course Predator film. Thats the game preserve one. The new predators are neat and super mean.

What made the original (and hopefully new) predator more threatening was that it could be hurt and knew it could be hurt, making it a battle of wits on a very uneven playing field - it would plan and adapt and abuse every advantage it had.

The super predators just kind of stumbled through life until they ran out of hitpoints, never showing any indication that they could outwit a used tea bag[/reddwarf].


With luck prey won't go the same way, with the predator buzz-sawing its way through everyone without a scratch for the whole film before eating a contrived (or magic tribal 'sense the wind' nonsense) arrow to the eye in the final act.

I may be getting this wrong but wasn't it the case that the Predator as a species evolves through hunting prey, which is why they hunt the best fighters etc?

So, if Prey is set a couple of hundred or so years in the past could the Predator in this movie be different to ones we have seen set in modern times?

I guess it depends on how fast their evolution is, but might make the fight a bit fairer if this Predator is generationally weaker than the ones we have seen so far?

Trailer could be entirely misleading.

I mean, perhaps she tries to go after the Predator after finding her village slaughtered, but turns out the colonists did it potentially?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trailer could be entirely misleading.

True. Its actually a romantic comedy.
The whole thing with the bear is the Predator equivalent of the Romeo and Juliet balcony scene.

I mean it is pretty straightforward surely?

The Predators care only for the thrill of the hunt, so if you are fighting a low tech alien they similarly lower their technology to make the fight more interesting for them.

Although importantly, they don't lower the tech enough to be on the level, simply to give the prey the suggestion of a fighting chance.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Oh I’ve seen both

I’m so sorry to hear that

StraightSilver wrote:
I may be getting this wrong but wasn't it the case that the Predator as a species evolves through hunting prey, which is why they hunt the best fighters etc?

So, if Prey is set a couple of hundred or so years in the past could the Predator in this movie be different to ones we have seen set in modern times?

I guess it depends on how fast their evolution is, but might make the fight a bit fairer if this Predator is generationally weaker than the ones we have seen so far?

That evolution bs is from The Predator and there is no way anyone considers that movie canon.

Traditionally Pred society is a meritocracy based on trophy collection and personal challenge. You are either a bad ass or you're dead. They hunt for prowess and social standing.

I was always under the impression that the male predators were going out hunting to impress the naturally bigger, nastier females? Was that from the comics, maybe?

One of the AvP novels I read had a female Pred as one of the main protagonists out during a hunt to train some young’ns.

 Olthannon wrote:
I mean it is pretty straightforward surely?

The Predators care only for the thrill of the hunt, so if you are fighting a low tech alien they similarly lower their technology to make the fight more interesting for them.

Although importantly, they don't lower the tech enough to be on the level, simply to give the prey the suggestion of a fighting chance.

We see it use the shoulder cannon, right?

Certainly we see the three red dots.

A.T. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Predators is mostly a par for the course Predator film. Thats the game preserve one. The new predators are neat and super mean.

What made the original (and hopefully new) predator more threatening was that it could be hurt and knew it could be hurt, making it a battle of wits on a very uneven playing field - it would plan and adapt and abuse every advantage it had.

The super predators just kind of stumbled through life until they ran out of hitpoints, never showing any indication that they could outwit a used tea bag[/reddwarf].


With luck prey won't go the same way, with the predator buzz-sawing its way through everyone without a scratch for the whole film before eating a contrived (or magic tribal 'sense the wind' nonsense) arrow to the eye in the final act.

I am also hoping for a sensible battle of wits. If they are making a Comanche language version of the film, I hope that means there will be enough pushback to magical “sense of the wind” nonsense to keep it out of the film.

It would amuse me if she won by figuring out what the Predator likes to eat and then poisoning him.


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StraightSilver wrote:
I may be getting this wrong but wasn't it the case that the Predator as a species evolves through hunting prey, which is why they hunt the best fighters etc?

So, if Prey is set a couple of hundred or so years in the past could the Predator in this movie be different to ones we have seen set in modern times?

I guess it depends on how fast their evolution is, but might make the fight a bit fairer if this Predator is generationally weaker than the ones we have seen so far?

Where does this idea come from? That is some serious Planet of Hats nonsense.

I prefer the idea that the Predators we see are just a bunch of Don Jr hunting bros who like to gear up all tacticool and go slaughtering unsuspecting sapients because it makes them feel less inadequate all butch.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Olthannon wrote:
I mean it is pretty straightforward surely?

The Predators care only for the thrill of the hunt, so if you are fighting a low tech alien they similarly lower their technology to make the fight more interesting for them.

Although importantly, they don't lower the tech enough to be on the level, simply to give the prey the suggestion of a fighting chance.

We see it use the shoulder cannon, right?

Yeah but the sound effect after that sounds more like a metallic bolt thrower noise.

A.T. wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Predators is mostly a par for the course Predator film. Thats the game preserve one. The new predators are neat and super mean.

What made the original (and hopefully new) predator more threatening was that it could be hurt and knew it could be hurt, making it a battle of wits on a very uneven playing field - it would plan and adapt and abuse every advantage it had.

The super predators just kind of stumbled through life until they ran out of hitpoints, never showing any indication that they could outwit a used tea bag[/reddwarf].


With luck prey won't go the same way, with the predator buzz-sawing its way through everyone without a scratch for the whole film before eating a contrived (or magic tribal 'sense the wind' nonsense) arrow to the eye in the final act.

Thats... not really true.

The Pred in the original movie isn't putting himself in any real danger for the most part. He can turn all but invisible, has an, as far as we know, infinite ammo instant kill weapon and the ability to track us in any light or conditions by our body temperature.

The pred in the first movie (Jungle Hunter) is an older Pred who is purposfully not bringing all of his toys to make a bigger challenge for himself for more prestige. But it's not about a battle of wits for it. But that is how Dutch wins. Wits.

Pred 2 is a younger pred who is going for quantity over quality. The basic rules apply, (like don't use a gun if they don't have a gun) but he brings a bunch of toys and doesn't give a gak. Harrigan doesn't outwit this Pred. (the government tries to and fails).He wins through grit and determination.

The super Preds are not on this planet to hunt prey for prestige. They are killing everything being dropped off by regular preds for fun. This is literally a game to them. It's a mockery of the regular Preds that they capture and tie up to humiliate it. Royce DOES outwit these Predators by turning the hunt on them and using fire to blind it. But again, these Preds are not here for that. And I think it's interesting to see Preds with different motives. If it was just the original movie over and over it would get stale and formulaic fast.

AvP-R we see the Wolf. A Pred who isn't here to hunt or for fun. He is a cleaner on a mission. It's a VERY different motive that results in some absolutely brutal handling of situations. The humans are just in it's way.

Prey looks like the first time since the original movie that we are back to 1. A seasoned Pred on a hunt for trophies worth having. The shield thing looks fun and I am pumped to see what other variations and tricks it brings to whatever we find out it's doing there.

No Pred in any of these movies was ever trying to outwit anyone. You don't go big game hunting to outwit your prey. You go big game hunting to put a trophy on your wall. Their underestimating us is what allowed us to outwit them.

Note: AvP and The Predator are not mentioned because those movies and their Predators are not worth mentioning. They don't fit in with anything.

Let's be real and say that barely anything about Predator society is set in stone. The EU materials are all over the place. The films tell us barely anything and are also all over the place. There hasn't been much, or any honestly, consistency since the franchise arguably peaked in the mid-90s with the Dark Horse comics run. I think people are probably more familiar with the Predators as depicted in the AvP franchise than anywhere else and those too are wildly inconsistent.

I think that trying to pick and choose which details are 'canon' and which aren't is probably the most pointless argument there is where this franchise is concerned.

I do find people having internet arguments over Predator honor odd though. They definitely have a code of some kind, but it ain't consistent and it's pretty much however they want it to go.

The idea that sports hunters with plasma cannons and cloaking devices are actually out to have a 'fair' fight is pretty laughable. Almost as laughable as millionaires who go to Africa, gun down a lion some local guide led them to by the nose, and now want to mount on their wall like it was some great feat of skill. In the words of someone way cooler than me, any drunk hillbilly could do that with a shotgun at the zoo. Predator's honor is more of a character tic that helps keep things interesting, not some hard and fast rule of morality.

About the only truly consistent thing about Predator lore is that if you’re unarmed, or as per Predator 2 when it spares Vasquez? They won’t deliberately harm you.

No weapons? No fun to hunt.(Predator)

Going fully hand to hand? It’ll do the same. (Predator and Predators)

Kill one fair and square, one on one? It’s mates won’t murder you to death or sucker punch you. (Predator 2).

Hell, even the title Predator doesn’t really describe the beasty properly. A Predator has no sense of honour or a fair fight. I’d even argue that by human standards it’s not even a Big Game Hunter (oh, you took down a Heffalump from half a mile away whilst it was just sort of scratching its arse? How indescribably manly and hard you are

If I had to crappy pigeonhole it? It’s an Honourable Warrior.

In fact so far as I can recall, about the only example of one, in the movies, not being particularly fair is it’s first Named Character Kill in Predator?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATMD1b_AHQ

Hawkins isn’t looking for it specifically. But…..he was, from a certain angle of view, pointing his weapon (which the Predator knows is deadly, having clearly observed them kicking names at the rebel camp thing much earlier), so I suppose the argument could be made it was preventing harm to a tied and bound, unarmed person?

Oooooohhhhh….that might’ve been the very pea rattling around in my head when I first saw the trailer for Prey.