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Yeah, but a Grey Knight spear would fire bolts of psychic energy!

Melissia wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Power spears/ rank and file sounds more Grey Knights than sisters to me, to tell the truth.

Why?

Actually it makes more sense for sisters because there are more Sisters in the first place... and therefor they could create a better spear wall and have more need for coordination within a squad...

I can't imagine enough Grey Knights to want to fight in formation. They are a quick in and out kinda force.


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Oooh, going with the power stake thing, what about a roman style formation. Long spears and tower shields.

I know, I'm obsessed with shields.

Shields don't modify save but allow them to cut # of hits from any template/blast in half.

In fantasy Halberds give you plus +2 strenght. Correct me if I am wrong.
While spears allow you to fight in two ranks (or three if your high elves).

Tortotians

WS/BS 4/4 S/T 3/4 Sv 3+

Power Stake and Tower Shield

Unit has Slow and Purposeful and Counter Attack.

Shield Wall: Templates or blasts directed at a Tortotian unit only deal half the number of hits.

The ultimate in Bubble Wrap. Toughness boost is the Shield.

Slarg232 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Not really. They use force weapons that allow them to focus their psychic powers.

Totally different than power weapons.

Although, a sword/board unit there that is made up of what are essentially Chaplains with Librarian powers in Grey?

Yeah. That'd be awesome. Totally not overpowered too
Intended @ Slarg about Grey Knights.

But they are still weapons with long handles, and GK are more "backs to the wall" than sisters, so it would make more sense to have them have a Rank and File rule over the sisters.

Not really, because each Grey Knight has a specific role within their squad that ensures the squad functions as a whole. They're more skirmishers than rank 'n' file.

Necrosis wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:Power spears/ rank and file sounds more Grey Knights than sisters to me, to tell the truth.

Grey Knights use halberds not spears.
My medieval is a little rusty, but Aren't halberds used to receive charges, more so than spears?

Halberds were, to put it lightly, a jack of all trades weapon. They were used by the Swiss and the Germans to soften up infantry prior to a cavalry/infantry charge. The axe bladed head allowed for them to cut spears/pikes down to open up gaps in the line to be exploited.

They were also used to protect things like archers, arbalesters, etc from cavalry charges or during sieges to push ladders off and those on the ladders off too.

pretre wrote:Tortotians

WS/BS 4/4 S/T 3/4 Sv 3+

Power Stake and Tower Shield

Unit has Slow and Purposeful and Counter Attack.

Shield Wall: Templates or blasts directed at a Tortotian unit only deal half the number of hits.

If you look in my homebrew codex. I have a similar rule for Crusaders. It forces all Crusaders to be in base to base contact but gives them the feel no pain rule and defensive grenades. That being said they have swords instead of spears.

THROW DOWN YOUR WEAPONS, SISTERS.

COME AND GET THEM, HERETIC.

Necrosis wrote:In fantasy Halberds give you plus +2 strenght. Correct me if I am wrong.
While spears allow you to fight in two ranks (or three if your high elves).

Haven't played fantasy in forever, but yeah, that sounds right. My bad everyone.

Still, I don't really care about formations. It would keep you too close together. I like the idea of all sisters within 4 inches being able to fight, rather than the formation. No other army has formations, and I don't think they should add in a new mechanic for only one army (Well, maybe two ). I would have to see how it did it.

As for sheilds, maybe just give them a 4+ invulnerable save?

Anyway, something else they should do for sisters is make Inferno Pistols have the +D6 for armor penetration at the full 6". Thats already really close. I can see why they did it (all other melta guns have to be within half to gain the bonus), but still.

WARBOSS TZOO wrote:THROW DOWN YOUR WEAPONS, SISTERS.

COME AND GET THEM, HERETIC.

Win.

Necrosis wrote:In fantasy Halberds give you plus +2 strenght. Correct me if I am wrong.
While spears allow you to fight in two ranks (or three if your high elves).

You're wrong. Great Weapons give you +2 strength (and strike last, except when charging). Halberds give you +1 strength.

Slarg232 wrote:
Anyway, something else they should do for sisters is make Inferno Pistols have the +D6 for armor penetration at the full 6". Thats already really close. I can see why they did it (all other melta guns have to be within half to gain the bonus), but still.

But the blood angel Infernus pistol still use the melta rule (so you have to be within 3 to get the extra D6).

Dunno, I'd prefer Sisters spears to be two-handed, and therefor not allow a shield . It makes more sense and doesn't require them to form up into a formation as much. And I'm thinking far smaller spears I suppose, seven feet at most.

Bucklers!

Well then how about sisters with spears and sisters with swords and shields?

Slarg232 wrote:[
Still, I don't really care about formations. It would keep you too close together. I like the idea of all sisters within 4 inches being able to fight, rather than the formation. No other army has formations, and I don't think they should add in a new mechanic for only one army (Well, maybe two ). I would have to see how it did it.

Exactly why we should do it.

It is suicide to stand in formations in the future.... For those who lack faith!

As for sheilds, maybe just give them a 4+ invulnerable save?

We did that on the Paladines.


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Necrosis wrote:Well then how about sisters with spears and sisters with swords and shields?

Bah. I guess.

I liked the ranked lines thing.

Sisters with Counter Attack and 4" Strike back power weapons will have to do.

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:[
Still, I don't really care about formations. It would keep you too close together. I like the idea of all sisters within 4 inches being able to fight, rather than the formation. No other army has formations, and I don't think they should add in a new mechanic for only one army (Well, maybe two ). I would have to see how it did it.

Exactly why we should do it.

It is suicide to stand in formations in the future.... For those who lack faith!

As for sheilds, maybe just give them a 4+ invulnerable save?

We did that on the Paladines.

Ok, I could maybe see that reasoning, but it is still so far off of what everyone else has that players would have to completly relearn the game in order to learn to play in formations. I just don't think its a good idea.

Ah, sorry. I wasn't paying attention, that was my bad. Still, the whole "Cuts down # of template hits by half" sounds farfetched. Maybe give them a cover save/+1 to their cover save, but other than that, no sheild, no matter what it's made out of, is going to ignore half of a LRBT's battle cannon.

In Codex: WH, on both the Cover and Page 12, there are flying sisters with spears and sword and board that are never explained anywhere...

Maybe GW is way ahead of us.

Damnit, I'm going to contribute here if it kills me.

What I thought of, as a way to kind of "balance out" the fact that the Terminator Redemptor squads I thought of would be heavily outnumbered in combat was this:

Bulwark of Retribution: The Bulwarks of Retribution are specially modified Storm Shields which the Redemptor units employ to great effect when they teleport directly into the fray. The shields allow for the wielders to effectively counterattack while at the same time blocking incoming attacks. The modifications to the field, however, have compromised the field generators they employ resulting in an Invulnerable Save in close combat being as 5+ rather than the standard 4+. However, this is offset by the fact that whenever the Redemptors are struck by a successful hit in close combat, they may force the attacker to take a single S3 AP- hit.

Since DA Storm Shields, for some stupid reason, are Invulnerables in CC only(and 4+ rather than the standard 3+), we can just change "Storm Shield" here to "Combat Shield" for the Sisters alongside their spears/swords...

pretre wrote:In Codex: WH, on both the Cover and Page 12, there are flying sisters with spears and sword and board that are never explained anywhere...

Maybe GW is way ahead of us.

That's a living saint.

Slarg232 wrote:

Ok, I could maybe see that reasoning, but it is still so far off of what everyone else has that players would have to completly relearn the game in order to learn to play in formations. I just don't think its a good idea.

Ah, sorry. I wasn't paying attention, that was my bad. Still, the whole "Cuts down # of template hits by half" sounds farfetched. Maybe give them a cover save/+1 to their cover save, but other than that, no sheild, no matter what it's made out of, is going to ignore half of a LRBT's battle cannon.

We're already past that. That was so 5 minutes ago.

And one word for you: Faith.

Wait, a second word since you said 'NO SHIELD': Void.


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Necrosis wrote:

pretre wrote:In Codex: WH, on both the Cover and Page 12, there are flying sisters with spears and sword and board that are never explained anywhere...

Maybe GW is way ahead of us.

That's a living saint.

There's three of them in formation on Page 12.

pretre wrote:
There's three of them in formation on Page 12.

The other two are Cherubim.

Kanluwen wrote:Damnit, I'm going to contribute here if it kills me.

What I thought of, as a way to kind of "balance out" the fact that the Terminator Redemptor squads I thought of would be heavily outnumbered in combat was this:

Bulwark of Retribution: The Bulwarks of Retribution are specially modified Storm Shields which the Redemptor units employ to great effect when they teleport directly into the fray. The shields allow for the wielders to effectively counterattack while at the same time blocking incoming attacks. The modifications to the field, however, have compromised the field generators they employ resulting in an Invulnerable Save in close combat being as 5+ rather than the standard 4+. However, this is offset by the fact that whenever the Redemptors are struck by a successful hit in close combat, they may force the attacker to take a single S3 AP- hit.

Since DA Storm Shields, for some stupid reason, are Invulnerables in CC only(and 4+ rather than the standard 3+), we can just change "Storm Shield" here to "Combat Shield" for the Sisters alongside their spears/swords...

I like that. I would prob just change it to 4+ Inv with Str 3 AP - for every hit to match 5th edition. (So wimpy Storm Shields with Retrib, but that's a cool idea.

pretre wrote:

Slarg232 wrote:

Ok, I could maybe see that reasoning, but it is still so far off of what everyone else has that players would have to completly relearn the game in order to learn to play in formations. I just don't think its a good idea.

Ah, sorry. I wasn't paying attention, that was my bad. Still, the whole "Cuts down # of template hits by half" sounds farfetched. Maybe give them a cover save/+1 to their cover save, but other than that, no sheild, no matter what it's made out of, is going to ignore half of a LRBT's battle cannon.

We're already past that. That was so 5 minutes ago.

And one word for you: Faith.

Wait, a second word since you said 'NO SHIELD': Void.

Well, since I can't seem to keep up with you guys on the shields, how about I just try to think of a new tank or something?

Well In my Homebrew Codex I made a new tank that is 12 all around expect the back, is fast and has a flamestorm cannon to make sure sisters are still the best flaming army.

Necrosis wrote:

pretre wrote:
There's three of them in formation on Page 12.

The other two are Cherubim.

Those Cherubim have swords.

What about the other ones behind that? Stop peeing in my Cheerios.

And check out page 44. Sister with Shield and Power Spear.

No, you'll mess it up! Go doodle on the stalls

Speaking of tanks...let's take a page from the Orks and Futurama.

Open topped Land Raider with a fighting platform which can house a Dominion squad and allows for them to fire heavy weapons while cruising...

Call it the Mobile Repression Homestead!

Necrosis wrote:Well In my Homebrew Codex I made a new tank that is 12 all around expect the back, is fast and has a flamestorm cannon to make sure sisters are still the best flaming army.

I was talking to Mel about that.

I was thinking Predator Chassis, FlameS sponsons and something cool on the turret.

Why Predator chassis? Sisters already have two of their own STCs to work with, the Exorcist and the Immolator.

Nah. Predators should really stay Astartes, Leman Russes as Guard, etc.

They're signature units, frankly.

pretre wrote:
Those Cherubim have swords.

What about the other ones behind that? Stop peeing in my Cheerios.

Cherubim are armed with a single close combat weapon.