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Yeah but warhounds can double vehicle pace

also can't see any pivot points on the images here
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Self-Propelled_Heavy_Artillery
looks more like a case of turn on the spot really

Yes warhounds can. They are also much more vulnerable with two void shields only. A pack of flyers (whatever those skimmers are called) or AT-ATs would give warhounds fits.

The ones that would do the real damage and can take the concentrated hits-reaver/warlouds/and near mythical imper ators (if even in the fight) would not move quickly and would be subject to shooting from the heavies. Of course, those heavies are also subject to artillery park fire from manticores and basilisks, or waves of Lemans doing their own rooskie crossing the Fulda Gap with more tanks than god imitation.

Fun Fun Fun.

Frazzled wrote:2. Ork Empires vs. Galactic Empire.
GE-as above.
Orks-major waugh incursion into GE space.

GE scientists invent antifungal spray. Waagh ends with a whimper.

Nah that much anti-fungal spray would make the air toxic to any form of life

No it wouldn't.

It would. Any sort of toxin in that amount would make the air unbreathable. Not to mention the fact that if it didn't it would do to smaller creatures thus wiping out all off the food chain.

anyway orks would win by the whole you can't actually wipe them out and any left alive create more so would win in the end

Um, no, it wouldn't, a topical antifungal would not be lethal to humans or native flora, much less "make the air unbreathable". At most, if you were exposed to a whole bunch of it, you'd get a rash and maybe some headaches and diarrhea if you inhaled a bunch of it. Trust me, I know my medications, I'll kind of have a Doctor of Pharmacy degree in about 9 months.

Im sure the GE could create a toxin that is safe for humies, I mean they're not advance-a-phobic like IoM. Anyway, the title of this thread is Imperium of Man vs. Star Wars galactic Empire, orks are irrelevent.

An AT-AT would be smashed by even a reaver, a gatling blaster could take down shields and then a turbo-las could blow it all up. And a deathstrike or manti would destroy troop formations. Although, since the GE likes to improve there technology rather than keep it hidden and wait for it to be destroyed, they supposedly could create some missile defence system to shoot them down.


PS I would love to see a lightsaber attempt to deflect a turbo laser shot

Really? Because Orks are mentioned in the OP. Much like the Federation thread, it seems people just read the topic title and then went off half-cocked.

Terminus wrote:

Frazzled wrote:2. Ork Empires vs. Galactic Empire.
GE-as above.
Orks-major waugh incursion into GE space.

GE scientists invent antifungal spray. Waagh ends with a whimper.

That would not be all that effective against greenskins, I think. I believe they have an animal DNA strand also, which would possibly give them great resistance to the effects of that antifungal spray. Not sure about that, though, so take it with a pinch of salt.

Terminus you are sort of talking about covering an entire planet in a fungaside that is designed to kill 6ft talking fungus that can rip you in half. It'd have to be strong and there'd have to be a lot. I do however agree with the statement about most just reading the title.

After this debate I want to see GE v crons or GE v nids

Make the thread Rowan. I'd think GE in its full glory including production sufficient to deal with numbers of droids cited in wookiepedia vs. Nids would be more interesting.

Or of course Zentraedi vs. the combined Hive Fleets (and/or fully awakened necrons) just to make it fair.

It would dissipate in short order, natural flora would be minimally affected, and any GE troops around are sporting vacuum-sealed armor. Worst case scenario, if the fungicides have to be made potent enough that they damage the planet's agricultural output or even kill all other life on the planet (say a super duper version of a dicarboximide), GE can afford to get play scorched earth with a single planet (hell, very similar to the solution the Imperium takes , except their method of blowing everything up just tosses the fungal spores into space).

And I think SW scientists they are more than technologically capable of creating something specific, as evidenced by their adaptation to Vong technology which is equally complicated. Hell, the Imperium's scientists were able to isolate the base creature that makes up all Tyranids, and if Necrons hadn't jacked the research, would have probably manufactured a toxin that would have annihilated several hive fleets before they adapted.

yeah but you can't really consider destroying the planet a win, at best it's a draw or a slight loose as although the enemy don't gain anything the GE loose a planet.

also Zentraedi?

Meh, there were probably some indigenous life forms the Emperor didn't like loitering around his property anyway. Win.

not win as GE doesn't GAIN anything and it's not like all the orks will be on the planet anyway

http://www.kent.net/robotech/information/zentraedi.shtml

http://www.kent.net/robotech/ships/zentraedi/flagship.shtml

http://www.kent.net/robotech/mecha/zentraedi/regault.shtml

4.8 million capital ships. not bad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zentradi

Lol. But still you guys forget they don't have access to thousands of this stuff. Only like a couple or more. But still you can't say oh look at this we have this incredibley rare item that we will waste. It is stuck where it is placed. Shot down by an imperial Interceptor. If the Imperium were back to its orginial setting it would be awesome. But its not. Plus it really matters which chapter is involved. If it was the Salamanders. Salamanders would pwn thanks to mobile Lasercannon. Try and deflect a damn planet killer Damn sith.
and guys read this

"The All Terrain Armored Heavy Transport (AT-AHT) was a walker in service with Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire and the Empire-in-exile that opposed it. "

COULDN'T USE IT

The various Juggernaut-models were gradually phased out, and during the Galactic Civil War, they primarily served on battlefronts in the Outer Rim. Some fell into the hands of the Rebel Alliance. It appears that the Heavy Assault Vehicle Transport B5 Juggernaut served as its successor, even though its purpose was different. A6s were deployed in the Battle of Hoth.

Were put into the Outer rim. Some Were taken by rebels.

The v-150 Planet Defender anti-orbital ion cannon was a heavy ion cannon of the Clone Wars era, built by Kuat Drive Yards. It was designed by Can Lar, who originally attempted to sell the design to CoMar Weapons. Before the introduction of the v-150, anti-orbital ion cannons were considered to be an engineering impossibility. During the Galactic Civil War, the Alliance to Restore the Republic came in possession of several v-150s, placing them at the most important of bases.

Engineering impossiblility. And it cannot move it only points upward. Only can take out Massive Ships. But the thing is that it cannot TARGET GROUND FORCES!
Not only that but it was expensive and some of it were taken by the rebels.
So don't give me this BS.

rowan341 wrote:not win as GE doesn't GAIN anything and it's not like all the orks will be on the planet anyway

He gains some peace and quiet without having to yell at those dern kids with their skateboards on his lawn.

Damn kids ran over me flowers!

Asherian Command wrote:

Some fell into the hands of the Rebel Alliance.

Most Were taken by rebels.

???

Lol. Opps. My fault. Sorry i'll edit that.
Thats what happens when I read too quick!

Asherian Command wrote:Lol. But still you guys forget they don't have access to thousands of this stuff. Only like a couple or more. But still you can't say oh look at this we have this incredibley rare item that we will waste. It is stuck where it is placed. Shot down by an imperial Interceptor. If the Imperium were back to its orginial setting it would be awesome. But its not. Plus it really matters which chapter is involved. If it was the Salamanders. Salamanders would pwn thanks to mobile Lasercannon. Try and deflect a damn planet killer Damn sith.
and guys read this

"The All Terrain Armored Heavy Transport (AT-AHT) was a walker in service with Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire and the Empire-in-exile that opposed it. "

COULDN'T USE IT

The various Juggernaut-models were gradually phased out, and during the Galactic Civil War, they primarily served on battlefronts in the Outer Rim. Some fell into the hands of the Rebel Alliance. It appears that the Heavy Assault Vehicle Transport B5 Juggernaut served as its successor, even though its purpose was different. A6s were deployed in the Battle of Hoth.

Were put into the Outer rim. Some Were taken by rebels.

The v-150 Planet Defender anti-orbital ion cannon was a heavy ion cannon of the Clone Wars era, built by Kuat Drive Yards. It was designed by Can Lar, who originally attempted to sell the design to CoMar Weapons. Before the introduction of the v-150, anti-orbital ion cannons were considered to be an engineering impossibility. During the Galactic Civil War, the Alliance to Restore the Republic came in possession of several v-150s, placing them at the most important of bases.

Engineering impossiblility. And it cannot move it only points upward. Only can take out Massive Ships. But the thing is that it cannot TARGET GROUND FORCES!
Not only that but it was expensive and some of it were taken by the rebels.
So don't give me this BS.

Unrestricted access to titans and superheavies for the IoM though. Pot, the kettle's calling.

1. Imperium of Man vs. Galactic Empire (from Clone Wars to Jedi Returns for reference)
IM-Guard up to Legions with navy support (aircraft and landers). Marines on occasion.
GE-clone forces
This can be multiple planet or a single planet

How would they stack up?

2. Ork Empires vs. Galactic Empire.
GE-as above.
Orks-major waugh incursion into GE space.

It matters on production if it is techincally impossible and they have access to more of stuff. Then you can say that you can give us all conversion beamers. -.-

Well, as far as IoM vs. GE, you could argue that both are in decline. The technology shown in KOTOR-era is easily the match, if not outright superior to the stuff that the GE churns out. The two Empires even have a similar approach to training: churn out recruits as fast as possible, because it's cheaper to build another rickety TIE fighter and stick a barely competent goon in it than train elite pilots in top of the line expensive fighters.

Of course, the TIE Defender kind of is an exception, but that was mostly used by Shadowspawn.

But as far as plasma guns killing Jedi goes (particularly the Dark variety), I present you with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpcpdEB_KOQ

Terminus wrote:Well, as far as IoM vs. GE, you could argue that both are in decline. The technology shown in KOTOR-era is easily the match, if not outright superior to the stuff that the GE churns out. The two Empires even have a similar approach to training: churn out recruits as fast as possible, because it's cheaper to build another rickety TIE fighter and stick a barely competent goon in it than train elite pilots in top of the line expensive fighters.

Of course, the TIE Defender kind of is an exception, but that was mostly used by Shadowspawn.

But as far as plasma guns killing Jedi goes (particularly the Dark variety), I present you with this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpcpdEB_KOQ

Well that shows a good example of force armor...


I think to figure out the stats of a jedi/sith in 40k you would need the stats for an eldar Pheonix lord but with wayyy better mobility

the power to destroy a planet is insignificent compaired to the power of the warp

The Imperator wrote:the power to destroy a planet is insignificent compaired to the power of the warp

i disagree however i cannot back this up as it was during the old republic's time

felixthecat345 wrote:In CC I think a power weapon would beat a lightsaber: Power weapons have energy fields that cut through anything, lightsabers are just blades of heat.

wrong, its the other way around, lightsabers can cut through almost anything, power weapons dont deal very well with thick armour (tanks) . IRL lightsabers would also ignore storm shields, but somehow you can stop lightsabers with anything they dont cut through.

Jaon wrote:

felixthecat345 wrote:In CC I think a power weapon would beat a lightsaber: Power weapons have energy fields that cut through anything, lightsabers are just blades of heat.

wrong, its the other way around, lightsabers can cut through almost anything, power weapons dont deal very well with thick armour (tanks) . IRL lightsabers would also ignore storm shields, but somehow you can stop lightsabers with anything they dont cut through.

so 10 jedi/sith without using force powers against 10 TH/SS termis lets see... hit first, break right on thru the shields... boom in like 30 seconds the terminators are dead or dying.