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You can't assume that. -.- STorm shields are massive shield generators. Plus If anyone has seen the totally Awesome Knights of the Old Republic I could say that if we are talking about the Old Republic they would win. But were not. But still Sith agianst termi's Adamantium is the hardest material known to the imperium and can take the heat of stars. I think it could resist a Lightsaber. ever since lightsabers are made from Plasma.

Asherian Command wrote:You can't assume that. -.- STorm shields are massive shield generators. Plus If anyone has seen the totally Awesome Knights of the Old Republic I could say that if we are talking about the Old Republic they would win. But were not. But still Sith agianst termi's Adamantium is the hardest material known to the imperium and can take the heat of stars. I think it could resist a Lightsaber. ever since lightsabers are made from Plasma.

Yet plasma guns/cannons or las cannons pierce Terminator armor with ease.
Don't forget a force user would be able to bypass the storm shield easily, simple backflip over the termie lightsaber blade through the eye slit... dead termie. Terminator would move way to slow to be much use vs a force user.
Termie vs troops, termies would win at first until mass fire is brought down on them, the GE under Palps would not care if the troops that were fighting were killed along them.

Single shot from a Ion cannon artillery piece would stop a termie cold as well. Hell enough Ion cannons would stop a marine assault as well. overloading the power armor circuits freezing the marines in place.

Havoc13 wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:You can't assume that. -.- STorm shields are massive shield generators. Plus If anyone has seen the totally Awesome Knights of the Old Republic I could say that if we are talking about the Old Republic they would win. But were not. But still Sith agianst termi's Adamantium is the hardest material known to the imperium and can take the heat of stars. I think it could resist a Lightsaber. ever since lightsabers are made from Plasma.

Yet plasma guns/cannons or las cannons pierce Terminator armor with ease.
Don't forget a force user would be able to bypass the storm shield easily, simple backflip over the termie lightsaber blade through the eye slit... dead termie. Terminator would move way to slow to be much use vs a force user.
Termie vs troops, termies would win at first until mass fire is brought down on them, the GE under Palps would not care if the troops that were fighting were killed along them.

Single shot from a Ion cannon artillery piece would stop a termie cold as well. Hell enough Ion cannons would stop a marine assault as well. overloading the power armor circuits freezing the marines in place.

funny as it is most likely true

Asherian Command wrote:

The v-150 Planet Defender anti-orbital ion cannon was a heavy ion cannon of the Clone Wars era, built by Kuat Drive Yards. It was designed by Can Lar, who originally attempted to sell the design to CoMar Weapons. Before the introduction of the v-150, anti-orbital ion cannons were considered to be an engineering impossibility. During the Galactic Civil War, the Alliance to Restore the Republic came in possession of several v-150s, placing them at the most important of bases.

Engineering impossiblility. And it cannot move it only points upward. Only can take out Massive Ships. But the thing is that it cannot TARGET GROUND FORCES!
Not only that but it was expensive and some of it were taken by the rebels.
So don't give me this BS.

Words in Red =key words that disprove your erronious statements(Highlighted in orange)
Words in yellow= Statements that have no proof or even reference from the quotes you posted

-.- Really? You guys didn't read that This thread is just a bunch of iduiotic people who are paranoid people that all are trying to target your thoughts -.-
Its just a thought not a ACTUAL POINT!
Plus i can work for Empire. I like both universes. I like Star Wars univerise because it's outside the box.
40k is great for people who just get bored.
But you still don't denial that you cna't have walkers that you showed. But they still cannot target walkers. Or else the Rebels would of won the battle of hoth.

Anyway the Old Republic trailer came out and I do have to say one thing it looks pretty darn humanly possible for people to do what a jedi can do. But you are comparing it to a super human that is pretty fast in 20 tons of armor or so.
But still have to say i WANT THIS GAME



but still we don't know how it would play out so i'll gather all my starwars mini's agianst my fully armed battle company too see what happens
Anyway hope you like it I watched the trailer hope of the next trailer and it was awesome as hell.

Found next one XD

Rebellion had LIMITED resources. They had a single gun and were overwhelmed by sheer numbers.

In that case you use the weapon to clear a path for the evacuation.(And yes, I've seen the Family Guy episode making fun of this contrived plot point. Funny as heck.)

Yep. So how you like the trailers : D

Trailers for what? game or film? because if it's game those trailers have no meaning. only game-play footage game trailers mean anything

Game I have the trailers in one of my replys -.-

I really like them. If only episodes 1-3 had been that good. Don't know what Lucas was thinking with those movies.

shame the they are almost certainly not ingame trailers which means some things I have learnt about the games industry applies heavily here.

1) never ever believer non in-game trailers for what a game will actually be like and even in-game ones should be considered not entirely truthful.

2) never ever ever under any circumstances underestimate the games industry to zog up a game which had a good idea behind it

Your Welcome. Now I want a cookie :*(

No have cookie but here:
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You can has a slice of pie.

focusedfire wrote:I really like them. If only episodes 1-3 had been that good. Don't know what Lucas was thinking with those movies.

Well, the be completely honest, the only truly good Star Wars movie was not directed by Lucas. A New Hope and to a lesser extent RoTJ are good by association with the awesome Empire Strikes Back (this is the movie that actually gave depth to the characters and set a more mature tone than just "yay, unlikely heroes in spess!").

Episodes 1-3 are an abortion, not for the story they tell, but mostly the awful pacing and editing. Look how fast Anakin fell in the third movie. In literally about 2 minutes, he went from "I will be an honorable and just Jedi and stop the Sith!" to hacking up children. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant younglings, so the emotional impact of what he did doesn't register with young viewers and they still buy his merchandise. It's like Lucas spent the first two movies and half of the third one jacking it to his special effects (which are frankly far from revolutionary these days), then remembered he was actually trying to tell the story of the rise of Vader, and tried to quickly knock it out in about 45 minutes.

And despite his defense that the movie is "for children" (which is kind of bogus, look at the footage of the lines for ESB and ROTJ original theatrical release, the vast majority were all in their late teens or early 20s), even he realizes his movie sucks. If you watch the documentary of how they made the film, if you watch the faces of Lucas and the crew after the credits rolled on Phantom Menace, they knew, to the very depths of their cold and soulless hearts, that they made an enormous stinker. And is anyone else amused by the fact that the people that work for Lucas Arts are never excited to meet Lucas but rather treat his visits with apprehension and palpable fear?

Omegus wrote:

focusedfire wrote:I really like them. If only episodes 1-3 had been that good. Don't know what Lucas was thinking with those movies.

Well, the be completely honest, the only truly good Star Wars movie was not directed by Lucas. A New Hope and to a lesser extent RoTJ are good by association with the awesome Empire Strikes Back (this is the movie that actually gave depth to the characters and set a more mature tone than just "yay, unlikely heroes in spess!").

Episodes 1-3 are an abortion, not for the story they tell, but mostly the awful pacing and editing. Look how fast Anakin fell in the third movie. In literally about 2 minutes, he went from "I will be an honorable and just Jedi and stop the Sith!" to hacking up children. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant younglings, so the emotional impact of what he did doesn't register with young viewers and they still buy his merchandise. It's like Lucas spent the first two movies and half of the third one jacking it to his special effects (which are frankly far from revolutionary these days), then remembered he was actually trying to tell the story of the rise of Vader, and tried to quickly knock it out in about 45 minutes.

And despite his defense that the movie is "for children" (which is kind of bogus, look at the footage of the lines for ESB and ROTJ original theatrical release, the vast majority were all in their late teens or early 20s), even he realizes his movie sucks. If you watch the documentary of how they made the film, if you watch the faces of Lucas and the crew after the credits rolled on Phantom Menace, they knew, to the very depths of their cold and soulless hearts, that they made an enormous stinker. And is anyone else amused by the fact that the people that work for Lucas Arts are never excited to meet Lucas but rather treat his visits with apprehension and palpable fear?

so by that reasoning lucas is palpatine then to them

Lets keep it on topic people~

IOM wins this since they have better armor support and good heavy weapons.

So I find myself in a state of fever, reading through this interesting thread, quietly chuckling to myself when suddenly a few points assail me with their undeniable message and I am forced to speak

-firstly; in a strict ground war (which this thread is about) the Imperium would crush the Empire, due to a great number of points already brought up, worth mentioning though is that if you live in a more or less constant state of war for around ten thousand years, you are bound to learn a thing or two, even if innovation and free thinking is outlawed as heresy... and ofc the titan legions, I mean, the Empire simply dosent have anything readily avialable to even come close to matching them in terms of ground warfare yes... Hurr, "Unleash the fury of mankinds lost technological might..." durr, always loved that line
(concerning space warfare (which this thread does not concern) though, the tables are switched and the Empire clearly has the upper hand instead, since Hyperspeed is FAR more reliable, safer and faster than the inferior Warptravel, and since the majority of the Astartes would be left twiddling their gigantic thumbs save for the odd boarding action)

-secondly; I cannot resist any longer

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:Bah who you kidding, the Sith would find a way to infiltrate and take over. The sith can yell "for the emperor" just as easy...

that is why the ordo hereticus exists.

-lastly; both me and my friend in the bunny suit, here, frank, thank you for a wonderful thread on this most feverish of days

roger that, over and out

Straightjacket wrote:
-secondly; I cannot resist any longer

Warlordron'swaagh wrote:Bah who you kidding, the Sith would find a way to infiltrate and take over. The sith can yell "for the emperor" just as easy...

that is why the ordo hereticus exists.

everyone forgets about the poor old ordo hereticus

Don't we all XD.
They have been left in the dark.

Ordo hereticious really doesn't do anything for this debate, The Ordos are for after the conquest not during... granted SoB might be of an asset, but the INQ would be slaughtered.

Huh? What? did see the trailer. a Commando took out 5 sith just by running past them.

Yeah that was my initial thought. If a commander can do that what would a marine be able to do and what would a grey knight be able to do. And if a commander can take lightning to the face from what is supposedly a moderately powerful force user imagine what the more advanced marine armour would put up against it

Very True. Ever since space marines are trained to deal with this type of stuff. Not only that but it was awesome as hell.

yeah, stupid sith and their glow sticks

Asherian Command wrote:Huh? What? did see the trailer. a Commando took out 5 sith just by running past them.

Need to realize this was a cinematic and was like that for dramatic effect. Also the rule of 2 was not in place and like many other expanded universe dark force user armies most of them are either clones, quickly recruited, and extremley rushed in training.

The comparative power of the weapons technology could be a factor. After all if a simple pistol can drill a hole right through a stormtrooper and light his chest on fire, I have no idea if it was really a matter of weak armor, or extremely hard hitting bolts of blast whatever. Factor the Ewoks out with their rocks and sticks for kiddies sakes and the GE is pretty menacing. For all we know the standard blaster is S6 ap2 or something, explaining why the stormtroopers drop so easy.

if the blaster was S6 AP2 they'd be losing body parts not be being set on fire

With unlimited reinforcements neither side would be able to win. Regardless of who had superior tech or not if there at that many soldiers from both sides it would simply turn into a stalemate. If however there was no way to bring in reinforcements due to no space ships that would be a diff story as it would require different tactics than simply there is the enemy throw yourselves at them, which both sides seem to employ.

A fairer situation would be along the lines of a single IG army vs a single Clone army.
I dont know what the structure of IG armies are but using a SW Systems army consisting of 2 Sector Armies (294,912 troops) led by a High Jedi General.
I dunno what the numbers of the IG would be but this would at least provide a decent comparison instead of 2 unlimited numbers armies.

Another interesting situation would be a SM Legion vs a SW Systems army.
The SM, say the Ultramarines including primarch Roboute Guillaume would be a tough call.

I would agree if it wasn't the ultramarines