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Painnen wrote:well, i didn't mean to start a debate that you've hashed out before, but i didn't read where you've 'House-Ruled" the reaver thing before.

meant no fuss at all. actually just wanted to apply your 45-Game blog to my gaming expirience and didn't want to get LoL'ed off the table when using them as you did.

seemed fishy and now it's confirmed, House Rule.

geez, you are touchy! i was sincerly appreciative of your video's and reps but you clearly are worked up about the whole reaver thing...i didn't know it was such an issue with you, clearly. just wondered for my own personal use.

i never said you got LoL'ed, i was refering to the potential of getting myself LoL'ed off the table had i tried to use the reavers as you do.

as for the fishy/confirmed/house rule thing, well, after your PM, i take it i was right again.

calm down, i'm on your side as far as playing games/enjoying them/if you don't like it buzz off/my house-my rules/etc. i'm not attacking you or your views at all.

Painnen wrote:geez, you are touchy! i was sincerly appreciative of your video's and reps but you clearly are worked up about the whole reaver thing...i didn't know it was such an issue with you, clearly. just wondered for my own personal use.

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You know what, not even worth it. I just really don't care.

He's saying he was worried he'd get laughed off the table if he used the reavers [with the same rules interpretation that you use]. Not that he thinks you got laughed off the table. That is all that "as you did" refers to - the rules interpretation.

Buffo, some people really love what your doing and are 100% supportive of you, but when they comment on your bat reps you feel the urge to counter every point they've made and attack them.

rivers64 wrote:Buffo, some people really love what your doing and are 100% supportive of you, but when they comment on your bat reps you feel the urge to counter every point they've made and attack them.

Sorry if you feel that way.

You see, this is exactly what I mean. I had no problem with you and you answer in an insulting way for no reason.

Probably because the last two pages have been nothing but rule discussion over a single unit in his battle reports. If that's what he wanted people to talk about then the title would be "45 games of reavers" or whatever the unit under discussion is. I saw ONE post in the past two pages about the newest report. Lets get back to those huh? His last statement concerning the reavers should be enough to end that topic. And can you blame a guy for getting defensive when people have wanted to argue against him for the past two pages? Now enough sounding liken goody-goody for me, i have a battle report to watch that pertains to my army...

MOAR REPORTS

....please?

AspireToGlory wrote:MOAR REPORTS

....please?

You got it!

500 Hellion Gangers versus Tau - Game 18

thanks for the reports. i view them all and look forward to the next.

not sure how everyone else feels but i personally like the ones with the pictures better than the videos, so i would like to request more done that way.

Thoroughly enjoying the games, Buffo. I love the variety in opponents and the armies you use. It's boring to see tons of other people take the same old list over and over again, but you constantly switch things up, and it's refreshing. It's almost like you have a new army every game, and that's what makes these reports so much fun to read/watch. I also like the variety in report type - the use of images and videos keeps things fresh as well.

What have been your favourite or standout units, if any, so far?

Kamsm8 wrote:TWhat have been your favourite or standout units, if any, so far?

Here comes the cliche...

All of them!

I seriously love all the units I have used so far!

I didn't think I would like the Scourges. Love them!

I must say, that at the moment though, there is a three way tie for my favorite unit in the book;

Grotesques, Hellions and Reavers.

Any chance of seeing a 1500/2000 point game with Hellions soon?

vishra wrote:Any chance of seeing a 1500/2000 point game with Hellions soon?

Actually, yeah, the next one will be a 1500 Hellion Ganger list versus Tau

Sweet! One of the three people I play with regularly at school runs Tau. I'll be interested to see how your game varies from how ours goes, as he and I don't play lists many people would. Can't wait to see it.

vishra wrote:Sweet! One of the three people I play with regularly at school runs Tau. I'll be interested to see how your game varies from how ours goes, as he and I don't play lists many people would. Can't wait to see it.

Here is the cool thing...

His list is WAAC tailored to beat mine. My list, well, is just for fun... So who will win?

::sigh::

That term again. And in regards to Tau no less....

You Decide!
http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/you-decide-vassal-video-or-both.html

I would prefer both, but I know that's obviously more work for you. If you were to do only one, the videos are my favorite.

EDIT: Just watched the video, 4-6 hours? Ouch, just stick to videos then.

carmachu wrote:Well your either housing ruling the reavers, or cheating. Pick one. Because there is no one that agrees with you that a curve is a line. In fact your defination shows line clearly as straight in many many many examples, and you cherry picked one sliver out of the definition to back up your absurd claim.

So reavers in the fluff always travel in straight lines, everywhere they go? Are reavers really as cumbersome as you imply they are? Are the coliseums that reavers compete in not actually coliseums, but great rectangular lengths where the pilots may only make turns at one end or the other? Do they joust like medieval knights, rather then how you would assume someone with 'razorsharp reflexes', fighting in 'elaborate, curvilinear' complexes would fight?

And if said reavers had to go around, say, a building that was 12" long and 20" wide, the reavers would go around it following the edge and travel 32" to do so. But when drawing the line for caltrops, you would go from start point directly to end, which goes through the building, clearly out of their line of travel as they very obviously traveled a path that resembled an 'L' shape?

And if a tank moved 12" total, around an obstacle that would force a test, would you then draw a line from the start directly to the endpoint and claim that because that line crossed the rough terrain, the vehicle would have to take a test?

Silliness I say.

Negator80 wrote:

carmachu wrote:Well your either housing ruling the reavers, or cheating. Pick one. Because there is no one that agrees with you that a curve is a line. In fact your defination shows line clearly as straight in many many many examples, and you cherry picked one sliver out of the definition to back up your absurd claim.

So reavers in the fluff always travel in straight lines, everywhere they go? Are reavers really as cumbersome as you imply they are? Are the coliseums that reavers compete in not actually coliseums, but great rectangular lengths where the pilots may only make turns at one end or the other? Do they joust like medieval knights, rather then how you would assume someone with 'razorsharp reflexes', fighting in 'elaborate, curvilinear' complexes would fight?
And if said reavers had to go around, say, a building that was 12" long and 20" wide, the reavers would go around it following the edge and travel 32" to do so. But when drawing the line for caltrops, you would go from start point directly to end, which goes through the building, clearly out of their line of travel as they very obviously traveled a path that resembled an 'L' shape?

And if a tank moved 12" total, around an obstacle that would force a test, would you then draw a line from the start directly to the endpoint and claim that because that line crossed the rough terrain, the vehicle would have to take a test?

Silliness I say.

That's cute and all, but that has nothing to do with the rules. A line is straight. If lines could be curved, curves wouldn't exist. If you'd allow Reavers to make their move curved to hit enemy units, then surely Blood Angels players can bend their Blood lances and Space Wolf players can turn Jaws to wherever they want?

On the vassal and video question I do like the vassal better. BUT given the amount of work it is for you I would say videos are still awesome and you should just go for it. Maybe do most in video format, but then do the bigger ones ( even though this is annoying to only do the bigger ones) in vassal because it is easier to follow.

BuFFo wrote:Here is the cool thing...

His list is WAAC tailored to beat mine. My list, well, is just for fun... So who will win?

Yup, I changed around a few things from my normal 1500 list because I was playing against DE. I didn't know his specific list, though, just that I was playing DE. The game was played for a campaign. I took a second Ionhead instead of a Railhead I normally take. On hindsight, the railhead submunition would be great against FNP for most DE units. I replaced the crisis suit units that normally take meltas and plasmas and gave them all missile pods (autocannon equivalents) , and gave my HQ suit the airbursting fragmentation projector in addition. But anyways, this isn't about Tau tactica.

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Mahkie wrote:

BuFFo wrote:Here is the cool thing...

His list is WAAC tailored to beat mine. My list, well, is just for fun... So who will win?

Yup, I changed around a few things from my normal 1500 list because I was playing against DE. I didn't know his specific list, though, just that I was playing DE. The game was played for a campaign. I took a second Ionhead instead of a Railhead I normally take. On hindsight, the railhead submunition would be great against FNP for most DE units. I replaced the crisis suit units that normally take meltas and plasmas and gave them all missile pods (autocannon equivalents) , and gave my HQ suit the airbursting fragmentation projector in addition. But anyways, this isn't about Tau tactica.

and , as !

Hey!

Who said you could talk, Tau boy?

Although in the past I haven't been a super huge fan of video reports, especially the ones with weird voiceovers, I actually don't mind the ones you've been doing at all. Including the army lists makes it easy to see who's involved and they've been pretty clear and effortless to follow. I think I prefer the written reports, but as long as you keep feeding us more battle reports I'm stoked no matter what.

It'd be sweet to see some space wolf action, but again, as long as you keep them coming, I'm happy!

Video

Buffo as you have said my post was intended to make you aware of the issue with baron I have no problem with you vids or how you play the game and I enjoy reading them because they have given me ideas for my own lists.

My view about turbo boosting reavers is that it follows what has been shown by Buffo you Mark a point on the table, E.G. Mark A is where the reavers start then you say i will move in this direction X inchs and then move to Mark B. The rules state that you must move from the two point but fails to state how to move between those points, Having issue telling what I mean because you would need a diagram, Mark A is allways where the reavers start Mark B can be placed anywere within their 36" turbo boost range, E.G. Move forward 18" then move 18" in any 360" horrizontial direction, the rules also support this becuase it says if you turbo-boost into one squad and then into another you only Bladevine the first squad.

Its basicly a really long Jetpack move in one phase.

Enought of rules debates this thread is amazing and has really good battle reps.

ThatMG wrote:Buffo as you have said my post was intended to make you aware of the issue with baron I have no problem with you vids or how you play the game and I enjoy reading them because they have given me ideas for my own lists.

My view about turbo boosting reavers is that it follows what has been shown by Buffo you Mark a point on the table, E.G. Mark A is where the reavers start then you say i will move in this direction X inchs and then move to Mark B. The rules state that you must move from the two point but fails to state how to move between those points, Having issue telling what I mean because you would need a diagram, Mark A is allways where the reavers start Mark B can be placed anywere within their 36" turbo boost range, E.G. Move forward 18" then move 18" in any 360" horrizontial direction, the rules also support this becuase it says if you turbo-boost into one squad and then into another you only Bladevine the first squad.

Its basicly a really long Jetpack move in one phase.

Enought of rules debates this thread is amazing and has really good battle reps.

*sigh* I said I wouldn't comment, but I hate dumb comments.

"Mark the START and END points of the Reavers movement, and trace an imaginary line BETWEEN THE TWO POINTS. Once the move is complete, the unit inflict D3 S4 AP - hits per Reaver on one unengaged, non-vehicle unit that lies under the line.."

Taken directly from the DEldar codex, pg. 29. Nowhere does it say to trace the Reavers path, as I imagine it would if they wanted to allow that. This is a case of RAI being looked at with a microscope by RAW people. Not saying it makes you a bad player or a jerk, but c'mon, toy soldiers and all that. Also, Buffo already talked with *ahem* a very special person about this, who said that it is a straight line between the end and beginning points. Still leaves some shenanigans open though, since you can *technically* bladevane a unit you don't fly over. But thats for YMDC, not this thread!


Moar batreps pleez, my nerdiness is the hungreyz ^_^

On the topic of Vassal vs. Video: Video definitely adds more character and seems to be easier. It also makes seeing TLOS and each army much better than Vassal. Vassal is nice for analyzing movement etc., but I find watching the video batrep a second time easily alleviates that problem for videos. I WOULD say that it would be nice to see more on your thoughts after game when you do videos, as you seem to not do them as in-depth as you do when doing a Vassal report.

Overall, vote is for video, with Vassal thrown in every once in awhile.

Time is important to everyone and we are all limited in time. Buffo, do whichever one is more convenient/easy for you. Then, once in a while, if you feel the urge to vassal it, go for it.

I would have to agree reavers are awesome. And for anyone who thinks they are overpowered - Pay 20+ points for a T4 W1 creature with a 5+ base save. They just seem to make the DE play like I imagine they should.
Kind of like vultures picking off enemy stragglers and making no place safe from them.