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I'd imagine Orks would only have trouble for the 5 minutes before they loot one of those big machines.

The Imperium is waaaaay too overstretched to have another Galactic Empire to deal with. Plus one that uses modern military tactics and is advancing technologically. I'd say the IoM would be swept aside as their forces are stretched to breaking point.

Luke_Prowler wrote:I'd imagine Orks would only have trouble for the 5 minutes before they loot one of those big machines.

Emperor help the universe if they loot an ACU...
Seriously, a looted ACU is a Big Mek's wet dream.
Itz a stompa dat make more stompaz, for extra stompyness!

Luke_Prowler wrote:I'd imagine Orks would only have trouble for the 5 minutes before they loot one of those big machines.

If Orks could loot an ACU and use it to its full effectiveness, it would be extremely powerful as well duh, it's an ACU.

However the Orks would have to first beat the ACU. Which would be essentially impossible, unless the Orks found some golden age of technology stuff to look, in which case the Orks would sweep aside every non-SupCom faction in the galaxy.

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:...until the Emperor dies, at which point your galaxy is destroyed by chaos at the speed of thought.

And you still have yet to cite a source which says that a Greater Daemon has been destroyed by Tau/IG

Yeah, false on that first point. The chaos gods are powered by mortal emotion. Take away the emotional fuel, the chaos gods are powerless to interfere with a UEF/Cybran/Aeon/Seraphim galaxy. The Emperor is preoccupied with the astronomicon, answering prayers, helping SoB in battle, etc. He is not literally the only thing between the galaxy and insta-game-over, he is just the glue keeping the Imperium strong enough to withstand chaos. Nowhere in the fluff is it stated that the galaxy is over when the Emperor dies, quite to the contrary, most sources imply that humanity would be likely doomed if the Emperor died, not "destroyed by chaos at the speed of thought".

Without the Emperor, the IoM's military might is not enough to withstand the attacks of chaos. An ACU could handle the threat of chaos armies with zero issues. An ACU with control of the galaxy would have not even have to bother stopping chaos incursions, as there would not be enough emotional turmoil to power the gods.





And if I cite a source which shows a Greater Daemon being destroyed by IG, will you concede the argument and finally admit that SupCom defeats 40k hands down? I ask this because I already did cite the source.... and you ignored it.

You said "Tau fought chaos" that is most definately NOT citing a source, and it also doesn't tell me if there was a GD or not.

And if their emotions are literally null, they are no longer sentient. Therefore, they can fight, but technically it isn't war. Not relevant, but something to ponder.

Actually once magnus destroyed the throne's portal, he created another warp rift, ON TERRA. The Emperor holds it closed. So yeah, another eye of terra opening up and swallowing the solar system, which would also extinguish the astronomicon, with no conveniently located fortress world would most certainly be a "bad thing"

ph34r wrote:

Commissar Typhus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:This depends entirely on which side Chuck Norris is on.

Chuck Norris=Ferrus manus. Because he has balls of steel.

Speaking of balls of steel, Marneus Calgar killed an Avatar by punching it to death.

Avatars are fluffwise daemons, specifically greater daemons of Khaela Mensha Khaine.

In fact, Avatars have been punk'd so many times throughout 40k history it's not even funny any more. I think that should put to rest the "Greater Daemons are 100% immune to being killed ever except GK" theory.


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Oh, and here.

This puts your argument to rest. Forever. Source: Chapter Approved 2003, the first rules for the Death Korps of Krieg.





DKOK destroys a greater daemon by blowing up their own Leman Russ. 100% confirmed.

ph34r wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Commissar Typhus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:This depends entirely on which side Chuck Norris is on.

Chuck Norris=Ferrus manus. Because he has balls of steel.

Speaking of balls of steel, Marneus Calgar killed an Avatar by punching it to death.

Avatars are fluffwise daemons, specifically greater daemons of Khaela Mensha Khaine.

In fact, Avatars have been punk'd so many times throughout 40k history it's not even funny any more. I think that should put to rest the "Greater Daemons are 100% immune to being killed ever except GK" theory.


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Oh, and here.

This puts your argument to rest. Forever. Source: Chapter Approved 2003, the first rules for the Death Korps of Krieg.





DKOK destroys a greater daemon by blowing up their own Leman Russ. 100% confirmed.

Waiting for the part where tau kill a GD, not seeing it.

Also, Did you read battle of the fang? Magnus was weak when he was fresh from the warp, growing stronger. That daemon died minutes after summoning.

As I have pointed out several times, have you noticed how there was nothing in the entire IoM that could stop An'ggrath except for the GK? Who are made of human+a god.

Or any other daemon lord. You still haven't shown me where a daemon lord falls to mortal weapons.

I am just getting tired of you.

im2randomghgh wrote:Waiting for the part where tau kill a GD, not seeing it.

Also, Did you read battle of the fang? Magnus was weak when he was fresh from the warp, growing stronger. That daemon died minutes after summoning.

As I have pointed out several times, have you noticed how there was nothing in the entire IoM that could stop An'ggrath except for the GK? Who are made of human+a god.

Or any other daemon lord. You still haven't shown me where a daemon lord falls to mortal weapons.

I am just getting tired of you.

What? Who cares if the Tau kill a GD, the Death Korps did it with a fething Leman Russ. Yes, a full on Greater Daemon, killed by a Leman Russ Main Battle Tank.

A full on Greater Daemon was killed by a simple Leman Russ exploding. Therefore physical means can destroy Greater Daemons, and SupCom's power level is dozens of times that of 40k, their strongest unit being hundreds of times more powerful than the Leman Russ' detonation.

Greater Daemons << SupCom. No contest.

It's like you are intentionally not reading the part where LEMAN RUSS BATTLE TANK > GREATER DAEMON.

ph34r wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Waiting for the part where tau kill a GD, not seeing it.

Also, Did you read battle of the fang? Magnus was weak when he was fresh from the warp, growing stronger. That daemon died minutes after summoning.

As I have pointed out several times, have you noticed how there was nothing in the entire IoM that could stop An'ggrath except for the GK? Who are made of human+a god.

Or any other daemon lord. You still haven't shown me where a daemon lord falls to mortal weapons.

I am just getting tired of you.

What? Who cares if the Tau kill a GD, the Death Korps did it with a fething Leman Russ. Yes, a full on Greater Daemon, killed by a Leman Russ Main Battle Tank.

A full on Greater Daemon was killed by a simple Leman Russ exploding. Therefore physical means can destroy Greater Daemons, and SupCom's power level is dozens of times that of 40k, their strongest unit being hundreds of times more powerful than the Leman Russ' detonation.

Greater Daemons << SupCom. No contest.

It's like you are intentionally not reading the part where LEMAN RUSS BATTLE TANK > GREATER DAEMON.

It is almost like you are ignoring the part where you STILL HAVEN'T SHOWN A DAEMON LORD DESTROYED BY PHYSICAL MEANS.

Also, You still haven't shown a greater daemon who has fully materialized been destroyed by physical means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOhzfkCdbY&feature=fvwrel skip to 4:05 A Leman russ would just stub it's toe.

Harrower wrote:
The Culture.

One GCV and dziet + drone could take down the whole shebang.

im2randomghgh wrote:It is almost like you are ignoring the part where you STILL HAVEN'T SHOWN A DAEMON LORD DESTROYED BY PHYSICAL MEANS.

Also, You still haven't shown a greater daemon who has fully materialized been destroyed by physical means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKOhzfkCdbY&feature=fvwrel skip to 4:05 A Leman russ would just stub it's toe.

What? Who cares? A Greater Daemon was killed by a Leman Russ. A Daemon Lord is just an arbitrary term for the strongest Greater Daemons. They have no magical special plot barrier by having a long name that makes them 100% immune to things that outright obliterate other Greater Daemons.

Give it up.

Keeper of Secrets ANNIHILATED by a mundane explosion. No "not fully materialized" bull gak, it was a full on KoS.


EDIT: And WTF, that video is EXACTLY what could be killed by a Leman Russ exploding. A full on Keeper of Secrets was obliterated from the physical world entirely by a stack of leman russ shells. A Lord of Change would die exactly the same.


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warpgrenade wrote:

Harrower wrote:
The Culture.

One GCV and dziet + drone could take down the whole shebang.

I will not argue that SupCom or 40k would stand a chance against The Culture. The Culture is a pretty damn high power level.

Can't the chaos gods create warp storms? A warp storm would ruin SupComm's day...Warp anything really.

Ignoring the fact that a leman russ explosion can kill a GD is like saying Tau doesn't have any weapons stronger.....

Nope not going to accept the silliness of that.

A daemon-host can rip a titan in two. It happens in Eisenhorn.
Orks can achieve anything they put their dim minds to.
The warp changes reality. These "Super Commanders"... do they deal with twisting reality?
Nuke machine guns? Thank the emperor for terminator armour and dreadnoughts.
Draigo would smash these Commanders to pulp. Then he would resurect them just to smash them again.
There is no Sci-Fi universe that can match 40k. Nothing can stop the Imperium.

Well I just looked up Supreme Commander... It's a remake of Total Anniliation. The arm and the core? The Core are AI and the Arm are humans in machines.
I played TA for years. If SC is based on it than I have full confidence they stand no chance against the Imperium.

DeffDred wrote:A daemon-host can rip a titan in two. It happens in Eisenhorn.
Orks can achieve anything they put their dim minds to.
The warp changes reality. These "Super Commanders"... do they deal with twisting reality?
Nuke machine guns? Thank the emperor for terminator armour and dreadnoughts.
Draigo would smash these Commanders to pulp. Then he would resurect them just to smash them again.
There is no Sci-Fi universe that can match 40k. Nothing can stop the Imperium.

Why doesn't draigo smash the emperor into pulp and resurrect him?

I mean hes pretty much 90%way there anyways.

The Emperor cannot be smashed, FOOL!
Draigo is way too busy becoming the new Emperor to awaken the old one.

DeffDred wrote:A daemon-host can rip a titan in two. It happens in Eisenhorn.
Orks can achieve anything they put their dim minds to.
The warp changes reality. These "Super Commanders"... do they deal with twisting reality?
Nuke machine guns? Thank the emperor for terminator armour and dreadnoughts.
Draigo would smash these Commanders to pulp. Then he would resurect them just to smash them again.
There is no Sci-Fi universe that can match 40k. Nothing can stop the Imperium.

1. No dispute there, I have read and love the Eisenhorn series. However, the ability to rip a titan in two is actually extremely low power compared to a SupCom's forces, as the units they can create dozens of PER SECOND are actually of higher strength to a Titan, and such a unit (the weakest unit in SupCom) can be destroyed in a matter of seconds by another such unit, or one-hit-killed with a unit sufficiently more powerful than it. A SupCom can comfortably afford to lose Titan-scale warmachines at a rate of many per second without cause for concern.

@Orks: True, but as we have seen displayed by fluff this only amounts to organizing themselves and constructing impossible machinery. If their powers were greater or more ridiculous they would more consistently defeat the IoM, rather than being regularly repulsed by the very low power Imperial Guard.

@Warp: Supreme Commanders only have reality altering powers in the sense that they can manipulate matter on the atomic level directly, have psychics that can mind control you through the radio, and possess Artificial Intelligence of near infinite power that is capable of tearing holes in reality to allow extradimensional aliens to invade in full scale, as you can see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO23gaouvjQ
It's like a daemonic incursion, except instead of bloodletters, it's a 250 meter long/wide bomber that drops bombs with strength equivalent to that of a nuclear weapon. For reference, the "basic" units you see fighting on the sky bridges in this video are tech 3 Siege Assault Bots, each of which is larger, faster, and more powerful than an Imperator Titan. The ship seen is a civilian transport ship. The ACUs can clearly be seen teleporting between worlds in this video as well, a process that takes a mere 5 seconds to initiate as you can clearly see from the video.

@Terminators: As we know that Plasma and Melta guns, not to mention weaponry found on Titans, is more than capable of destroying Terminator and Dreadnought armor, it is obvious that weaponry stronger than this such weaponry would also be able to destroy this armor, and with even greater ease. I am quite surprised that you think TDA is a useful point for your argument.

@Draigo: Draigo is strong, but only against the Daemon. His powers against the mundane are actually not so amazing.



The fact that you think that no universe can combat 40k/The Imperium of Man betrays your ignorance... there are multiple universes that mop the floor with 40k no contest, one of which (The Culture) was literally just mentioned. Unless you can dispute all of the points I have made, logically you must concede that the IoM pales in comparison to SupCom.

DeffDred wrote:Well I just looked up Supreme Commander... It's a remake of Total Anniliation. The arm and the core? The Core are AI and the Arm are humans in machines.
I played TA for years. If SC is based on it than I have full confidence they stand no chance against the Imperium.

The fact that you had to look up Supreme Commander reveals that you are uninformed and incapable of debating on this subject. I was a massive TA fan for years as well. SupCom is a remake of TA, at a slightly larger scale. While an AK was merely a few cars in height, a basic mech-marine is in fact 12 meters tall.
The fact that you in fact have extremely low knowledge of SupCom, and the fact that I just disproved every single point you made, causes your "full confidence" to be in fact not of any worth.

Arms arnt human....

LunaHound wrote:Arms arnt human....

The Arm is the remnants of the best military clones the Arm had to offer. They are vat grown, and live only to fight and die, but still technically human.

The Core are robots.

calling arms human are as vague as comparing us to cro-magnons. the superiority is vast.

LunaHound wrote:calling arms human are as vague as comparing us to cro-magnons. the superiority is vast.

That is a fair point. They are more akin to Clanners from Battletech, except take the best Clan mechwarriors there ever was, and perfectly clone him a million times.

ph34r wrote:

warpgrenade wrote:

Harrower wrote:
The Culture.

One GCV and dziet + drone could take down the whole shebang.

I will not argue that SupCom or 40k would stand a chance against The Culture. The Culture is a pretty damn high power level.

Yay, people who know what the Culture is! For a board focused on sci-fi games, the lack of recognition was most disheartening :(

And yeah, I hnoestly can't think of any faction from any setting that could even give the Culture a hard day at work, let alone beat them.
Possibly except for the Time Lords. Who would also beat both the IoM and all of SupCom.

Warhammer 40k for the win

Brother Coa wrote:Warhammer 40k for the win

Just in case you didn't realize, "40k for the win" is not an argument. It actually just makes you look like a fanboy which undermines your position as a credible source of debate.

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Warhammer 40k for the win

Just in case you didn't realize, "40k for the win" is not an argument. It actually just makes you look like a fanboy which undermines your position as a credible source of debate.

You HAVE seen his posts, right?

Harrower wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Warhammer 40k for the win

Just in case you didn't realize, "40k for the win" is not an argument. It actually just makes you look like a fanboy which undermines your position as a credible source of debate.

You HAVE seen his posts, right?

I have

Hahaha, classic.

EDIT: But for real, I look forward to im2randomghgh's pending excuse for why specific greater daemons are 100% invulnerable to things that can completely annihilate greater daemons.

ph34r wrote:Hahaha, classic.

EDIT: But for real, I look forward to im2randomghgh's pending excuse for why specific greater daemons are 100% invulnerable to things that can completely annihilate greater daemons.

Because Plot armor.

That is all.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Because Plot armor.

That is all.

When settings are being compared, there is no Plot Armor.

Otherwise I say "nuhh uhh, an ACU has plot armor too" and you say "nuhh uhhhhh, my lasers go through plot armor" and I say "nuhh uhhhh! my plot armor has laser proof shields!"

That is why we discuss relevant facts, like the fact that a leman russ exploding is enough to not wound, not cripple, but completely annihilate a greater daemon.

Daemons <<< SupCom forces.

But exploding Lemon Russ > advanced Tau weaponry