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2012/02/09 03:30:09
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
And the Tau were wiped out at Zeist. Against Guardsmen they're strong, but when up against so many Astartes, the Tau are just another pile of corpses.
I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
2012/02/09 03:30:23
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Well they're not. They liked it so much they had a prison revolt. Ok then.
Wanting to be freed? I can tell you that they had a U-boat parked in the St. Laurence river waiting to extract the senior officers, and this was their attempt to escape. And deciding to subdue instead of shoot, unlike most PoW camps, is humane. And the military police there show not one case of brutality against the prisoners. And they regularly had guard vs prisoner hockey games on a frozen pond nearby. And they were given three hot meals a day, as opposed to two disgusting meals like most PoW camps. None of the prisoners were cuffed or restrained.
Also, it is worth noting that camp 30 is where they filmed this
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Tadashi wrote:And the Tau were wiped out at Zeist. Against Guardsmen they're strong, but when up against so many Astartes, the Tau are just another pile of corpses.
Except that their crisis suits can easily go 1-1 with a space marine, maybe even killing more than one, and that their stealth suits are almost worth a space marine, and are easily as large as astartes (The XV25 I mean, not the XV15).
And XV9s.
Also, in Savage Scars we see that marines have literally no way of dealing with broadsides on their own, and needed help from navy bombers to take them out, and it took these four bombers more than one attack run.
Basically, battlesuits are basically custom made for fething up a space marine's day. Though I agree FW aren't especially good against them. in courage and honour we see that pulse fire is strong enough to force space marines to take cover (one squad of FW).
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Tadashi wrote:And the Tau were wiped out at Zeist. Against Guardsmen they're strong, but when up against so many Astartes, the Tau are just another pile of corpses.
Except that their crisis suits can easily go 1-1 with a space marine, maybe even killing more than one, and that their stealth suits are almost worth a space marine, and are easily as large as astartes (The XV25 I mean, not the XV15).
And XV9s.
Also, in Savage Scars we see that marines have literally no way of dealing with broadsides on their own, and needed help from navy bombers to take them out, and it took these four bombers more than one attack run.
Basically, battlesuits are basically custom made for fething up a space marine's day. Though I agree FW aren't especially good against them. in courage and honour we see that pulse fire is strong enough to force space marines to take cover (one squad of FW).
Then how would explain the complete annihilation of all Tau forces at the Zeist Campaign? Equipment Failure? Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable. Not to mention, even if you're in a Battlesuit, Terminators with Lightning Claws or Assault Marines will tear the Tau to shreds. They may be the best shooty army (except for the Necrons), but they're still worth gak in melee.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.'
2012/02/09 04:03:14
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Tadashi wrote:And the Tau were wiped out at Zeist. Against Guardsmen they're strong, but when up against so many Astartes, the Tau are just another pile of corpses.
Except that their crisis suits can easily go 1-1 with a space marine, maybe even killing more than one, and that their stealth suits are almost worth a space marine, and are easily as large as astartes (The XV25 I mean, not the XV15).
And XV9s.
Also, in Savage Scars we see that marines have literally no way of dealing with broadsides on their own, and needed help from navy bombers to take them out, and it took these four bombers more than one attack run.
Basically, battlesuits are basically custom made for fething up a space marine's day. Though I agree FW aren't especially good against them. in courage and honour we see that pulse fire is strong enough to force space marines to take cover (one squad of FW).
Then how would explain the complete annihilation of all Tau forces at the Zeist Campaign? Equipment Failure? Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable. Not to mention, even if you're in a Battlesuit, Terminators with Lightning Claws or Assault Marines will tear the Tau to shreds. They may be the best shooty army (except for the Necrons), but they're still worth gak in melee.
Except you're unlikely to get into CQC with flying units, because unlike the TT, they do not just boost then land, they shoot while flying. And broadsides you won't get near, because a single railgun shots will destroy just about anything in the fluff (Or the TT really) and would be firing faster/further than on the TT. Also, stealthsuits you won't see until they're firing their HB equivalents and melta equivalents at you, and XV9s carry fire power to make just about anything blush. Rapid firing melta? Yes.
Also, I found the "Imperial tech more reliable" thing funny, because tau stuff is specifically meant to be the most stable tech in both fluff and on the TT. That is why their plasma rifles have no Gets Hot! rule etc.
Tadashi wrote:And the Tau were wiped out at Zeist. Against Guardsmen they're strong, but when up against so many Astartes, the Tau are just another pile of corpses.
Except that their crisis suits can easily go 1-1 with a space marine, maybe even killing more than one, and that their stealth suits are almost worth a space marine, and are easily as large as astartes (The XV25 I mean, not the XV15).
And XV9s.
Also, in Savage Scars we see that marines have literally no way of dealing with broadsides on their own, and needed help from navy bombers to take them out, and it took these four bombers more than one attack run.
Basically, battlesuits are basically custom made for fething up a space marine's day. Though I agree FW aren't especially good against them. in courage and honour we see that pulse fire is strong enough to force space marines to take cover (one squad of FW).
Then how would explain the complete annihilation of all Tau forces at the Zeist Campaign? Equipment Failure? Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable. Not to mention, even if you're in a Battlesuit, Terminators with Lightning Claws or Assault Marines will tear the Tau to shreds. They may be the best shooty army (except for the Necrons), but they're still worth gak in melee.
Except you're unlikely to get into CQC with flying units, because unlike the TT, they do not just boost then land, they shoot while flying. And broadsides you won't get near, because a single railgun shots will destroy just about anything in the fluff (Or the TT really) and would be firing faster/further than on the TT. Also, stealthsuits you won't see until they're firing their HB equivalents and melta equivalents at you, and XV9s carry fire power to make just about anything blush. Rapid firing melta? Yes.
Also, I found the "Imperial tech more reliable" thing funny, because tau stuff is specifically meant to be the most stable tech in both fluff and on the TT. That is why their plasma rifles have no Gets Hot! rule etc.
That's why you play the numbers game on them! Be it guard or Tyranid (ill take 'nids please!) They can't shoot enough times for it to make a difference. Just rush a couple of millions termagaunts down their throat, they'll get CQC sooner or later.
But yes the reliability thing is definitely in the tau's favour over the imperium.
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2012/02/09 11:37:17
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Tadashi wrote:Then how would explain the complete annihilation of all Tau forces at the Zeist Campaign? Equipment Failure? Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable.
My explanation: A Tau hater made this up and presented it as official fact, just to prove a point, hoping that noone checks and reveals the fraud: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Zeist_Campaign
Eventually, only the world of Augura, in the Zeist Sector, remained in Tau hands, as their only remaining logistical and repair source in the area.
(...)
Despite their advanced technology, battlesuits and plasma weaponry, the Tau had no hope for defeating such a large combined force of Space Marines. Augura's fortresses, shipyards and weapons factories were either badly damaged or destroyed by the Space Marines's offensive. With the loss of their last forward logistical base in the sector, the Tau fell back to protect more secure territory within their borders, bringing their Third Sphere Expansion to a close.
But I will check the Codex today to see Mat Ward's view on Tau
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Let me explained it Kroothawk, it is quite simple: Tau are strong faction, but Imperium is much, much, much, much stronger then Tau.
Even if it's started to decay it is still the most powerful faction in the galaxy, containing million worlds with endless resources at it's disposal.
Reason why Tau exist is because Imeprium do not bother with such a low threat aliens. You think Imeprium care if they lose one minor world, or ten? They discover, colonize, liberate hundreds of them per year.
Only time will tell what will happened to Tau, will they even became strong faction, will will be galaxy at all to rule then. One thing is certain now, as long Imeprium exists the galaxy will exist as it is. The moment it is defeated the galaxy is Chaos playground and no race will avoid their corruption...
To make it even more clear:
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/02/09 13:48:34
Subject: Re:Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
To be fair, I wouldn't exactly say that "the Imperium doesn't bother". This is clearly dispelled by at least one Crusade being launched against them, and more if you count licensed non-studio material such as the IA books and various novels. It's just that the Tau are only a minor threat to the Imperium compared to, say, Chaos and internal unrest. The IoM doesn't have the resources to efficiently deal with everything at once, and so it has to limit its response to the Tau to "firefighting" by trying to simply protect or reclaim the worlds on the border rather than committing a sufficiently large force to wipe them out once and for all. It's a sheer matter of allocating resources. Better to waste, say, 5 million men every year on defense rather than being forced to commit the 100 you'd need for a real conquest, as those 95 million men are needed elsewhere in the galaxy.
I'm also quite sure that the Imperium is actually losing more worlds than colonizing or taking, else it wouldn't be in decline.
2012/02/09 14:30:41
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
That is true, Imperium is losing more worlds then it discover or reconquer. That is the situation at the beginning of 41'st millennium, will it continue or will the situation stabilize depends on GW writers.
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/02/09 14:35:04
Subject: Re:Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
I was going to compare how tau might treat PoW's to an old WW2 camp here in Canada called Camp 30 which treated it's prisoners so humanely several asked to stay after the war, but the only information on it as far as the internet is concerned is here, and this seems very un-tau for many reasons which I hope are obvious.
un-Tau ? A new word? You should take your 40k to real life comparisions and put them into the bin. Canadians aren't following orders unqestioned as Tau would. So you get far superior control on bad behaviour in the north of america. ( yes, a guess. I do hope I am not wrong and you are not a bunch of Tau infiltrators hiding behind that nice facade of canada...)
im2randomghgh wrote: The tau PDF on Dal'yth also stopped a crusade.
Just saying.
The inquisition stopped a crusade. Tau aren't part of the inquisition. Just saying
im2randomghgh wrote:
Except that their crisis suits can easily go 1-1 with a space marine, maybe even killing more than one, and that their stealth suits are almost worth a space marine, and are easily as large as astartes (The XV25 I mean, not the XV15).
yes they would kill more than one crisis suit. Didn't know your stealth suits cost as much as a marine, found a source of recrutement cost, equipment and such?
im2randomghgh wrote: Also, in Savage Scars we see that marines have literally no way of dealing with broadsides on their own, and needed help from navy bombers to take them out, and it took these four bombers more than one attack run.
Basically, battlesuits are basically custom made for fething up a space marine's day. Though I agree FW aren't especially good against them. in courage and honour we see that pulse fire is strong enough to force space marines to take cover (one squad of FW).
Maybe if you had read Savage Scars and could suppress the urge to alter the picture shown there? If not, its blatant lies you post there. A dozen marines died in the book, several thousand suit wearing Tau died too. Seems your math is off... The navy did not operate there as they usually would, as their assets were not present and thus the skies had to be cleared by AA-fire which the guard provided. The success of this kept the ground forces safe from any airstrike.
The whole event is described as the first real encounter and both parties were pretty much not used to the opposing forces tactics and abilities.
im2randomghgh wrote: Except you're unlikely to get into CQC with flying units, because unlike the TT, they do not just boost then land, they shoot while flying. And broadsides you won't get near, because a single railgun shots will destroy just about anything in the fluff (Or the TT really) and would be firing faster/further than on the TT.
There are no fire and forget weapons in 40k...so no you have to come close and aim. This makes you a nice big target. Tau especially have no fliers on the TT and their skimmers are too slow to escape AA-guns and /or other skimmers, jump-pack equipped troops etc. Railguns need to get near to aim too. They don't count as indirect you know. Maybe it is possible to return to the grimdarkness instead of this attempt to "win" a "my favorites are better than yours" debate ?
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Kroothawk wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Then how would explain the complete annihilation of all Tau forces at the Zeist Campaign? Equipment Failure? Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable.
My explanation: A Tau hater made this up and presented it as official fact, just to prove a point, hoping that noone checks and reveals the fraud: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Zeist_Campaign
Eventually, only the world of Augura, in the Zeist Sector, remained in Tau hands, as their only remaining logistical and repair source in the area.
(...)
Despite their advanced technology, battlesuits and plasma weaponry, the Tau had no hope for defeating such a large combined force of Space Marines. Augura's fortresses, shipyards and weapons factories were either badly damaged or destroyed by the Space Marines's offensive. With the loss of their last forward logistical base in the sector, the Tau fell back to protect more secure territory within their borders, bringing their Third Sphere Expansion to a close.
But I will check the Codex today to see Mat Ward's view on Tau
Tau expansionist activities had, in 997.M41, begun to encroach on Imperial worlds, even annexing them on occasion. By 999, planetary governors were calling for massive reinforcements to push back the Tau forces, but with the attacks of hive fleet Leviathan and an increase in the attacks from the Maelstrom, few were able to respond. One who could however, was Marneus Calgar. He dispatched the Ultramarines 2nd company to the Zeist Sector to draw a line through which the Tau would not be able to pass. Also, Calgar sent requests to other nearby chapters for further assistance.1
When the Ultramarines arrived, they found numerous Imperial worlds abandoned and other heavily fortified to defend against the Tau lightning raids. Sicarius, Captain of the 2nd company, attacked the Forge World Praetonis V to break the Tau assault there and used this momentum to begin pushing the Tau back. Sicarius used the same tactics as the Tau, which were the most ideal tactics for Space Marines, rapid lightning strikes on weak positions to destabilise more heavily defended ones. Quickly, the Tau expansion slowed and then stopped under the assaults. Eventually only the world of Augura remained in Tau hands.1
By this time, the Ultramarines were no longer the only Space Marine forces in the assault. Forces from the Night Watch, Halo Dragons, Silver Skulls, Sable Swords, Crimson Fists, Iron Lords, Aurora Chapter, Eagle Warriors and the Knights of the Raven, as well as many others, had all joined the Ultramarines in the attack on Augura. Despite the advanced technology, battlesuits and weaponry, the Tau had no hope for defeating such a huge combined force of Space Marines. Augura's fortresses, shipyards and weapons factories were destroyed and the Tau expansion ended with the Tau falling back to protect more secure territory.1
Unfortunately, though the Space Marines had won the war, it was not possible to sanction a thrust into Tau held space as the individual Space Marine forces were required elsewhere in the galaxy and it was only reluctantly that Sicarius gave control of the defence back to the planetary governors.1
Seems like a 1:1 cpoy of the codex if I compare both.
Still a few differences to the other source.
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2012/02/09 18:11:01
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Brother Coa wrote:Let me explained it Kroothawk, it is quite simple: Tau are strong faction, but Imperium is much, much, much, much stronger then Tau.
Even if it's started to decay it is still the most powerful faction in the galaxy, containing million worlds with endless resources at it's disposal.
Reason why Tau exist is because Imeprium do not bother with such a low threat aliens. You think Imeprium care if they lose one minor world, or ten? They discover, colonize, liberate hundreds of them per year.
Your remark was off topic, but it shows that you even get the Imperium's background wrong (Yes, the IoM is big, but it obviously doesn't have unlimited ressources. That's why they can't make a full attack on the Tau Empire without committing suicide themselves. And on principle they care about planets being conquered by Aliens, even if it is a minor mining planet like Taros)
Augura's fortresses, shipyards and weapons factories were destroyed and the Tau expansion ended with the Tau falling back to protect more secure territory.
Seems like a 1:1 cpoy of the codex if I compare both.
Still a few differences to the other source.
Still shows that Tadashi made things up and got caught red handed
Oh, and I love that the Space Marine Codex confirms that Tau have advanced technology and were only defeated by numbers here
Despite the advanced technology, battlesuits and weaponry, the Tau had no hope for defeating such a huge combined force of Space Marines.
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Oh, and I love that the Space Marine Codex confirms that Tau have advanced technology and were only defeated by numbers here
Despite the advanced technology, battlesuits and weaponry, the Tau had no hope for defeating such a huge combined force of Space Marines.
Sure the 12 companies outnumbered the whole Tau empires forces. Remind me if one posts numbers for Tau, the size of their forces has to be less than 1000....
Again, the marines were called off, before they could steamroll a empire on the eastern fringe. A pattern? yes.. A unreliable one as it may break one day.
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2012/02/09 18:56:55
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Brother Coa wrote:Let me explained it Kroothawk, it is quite simple: Tau are strong faction, but Imperium is much, much, much, much stronger then Tau.
Even if it's started to decay it is still the most powerful faction in the galaxy, containing million worlds with endless resources at it's disposal.
Reason why Tau exist is because Imeprium do not bother with such a low threat aliens. You think Imeprium care if they lose one minor world, or ten? They discover, colonize, liberate hundreds of them per year.
Your remark was off topic, but it shows that you even get the Imperium's background wrong (Yes, the IoM is big, but it obviously doesn't have unlimited ressources. That's why they can't make a full attack on the Tau Empire without committing suicide themselves. And on principle they care about planets being conquered by Aliens, even if it is a minor mining planet like Taros)
An this just shows how little you know about the Imeprium. It supplies are limitless but they are always needed elsewhere.
Reason why they are losing is because that adds the spirit to the background - last stand of a Human race, didn't that sound nostalgic?
( but you have a point, not every Human can be a solder. There will always be corruption, politics etc... but Imeprium will endure that is what I believe in ).
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Ovion wrote:Because the entire Tau Empire was fighting that particular campaign?
Not quite, that was only the main 3'rd sphere expansion force.
So it would be precise to say that several Space Marine Chapters defeated main body of the Tau army with little losses.
They still have a hold of 2 worlds thus far from that expansion, but they were utterly defeated at Zeist.
Now they are preparing for 4'th phase expansion.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/02/09 19:44:15
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Like I said: not every Human can be a solder.
And most of the time they have problems like rebellion and corruption of their own army's.
Not to mention Warp travel that is not quite reliable.
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/02/09 19:51:32
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Ovion wrote:The Imperiums forces and resources are limited, if they were limitless they wouldn't need to worry about being spread too thin
You should tell Mr cruddace about these limits. He wrote billions of Guard Regiments into existence.
A million worlds , billions of Regiments......
The main issue of the Zeist campaign is the authors choice to list the marines but don't give us any hint on the Tau involved so we have to assume it was their expeditionary force that got its head smashed in.
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2012/02/09 20:23:39
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
1hadhq wrote:
You should tell Mr cruddace about these limits. He wrote billions of Guard Regiments into existence.
A million worlds , billions of Regiments......
Let's just hope he wasn't using British billions.
Considering the sizes most Regiments seem to be, and factoring the smaller armoured ones, (US) billions of them doesn't actually sound that far fetched.
The main issue of the Zeist campaign is the authors choice to list the marines but don't give us any hint on the Tau involved so we have to assume it was their expeditionary force that got its head smashed in.
Their expansion was halted by the Zeist campaign. I'd assume that it was not an insignificant force that was defeated.
2012/02/09 20:26:06
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote: Considering the sizes most Regiments seem to be, and factoring the smaller armoured ones, (US) billions of them doesn't actually sound that far fetched.
As far as I know Regiments ca vary from 1.500 - 3.000 to 150.000 - 300.000 troops.
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
2012/02/09 20:33:46
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Depends where they are recruited from. At least if we're going by GW.
"Troops recruited from a world at one time are formed into a single Imperial Guard regiment. As a result there is no such thing as a typical size for a regiment. Regiments can consist of a few hundred men or hundreds of thousands, depending on the size of their Lords' armies."
2012/02/09 22:08:31
Subject: Tau, more Grimdark than they first appear?
Brother Coa wrote:Let me explained it Kroothawk, it is quite simple: Tau are strong faction, but Imperium is much, much, much, much stronger then Tau.
Even if it's started to decay it is still the most powerful faction in the galaxy, containing million worlds with endless resources at it's disposal.
Reason why Tau exist is because Imeprium do not bother with such a low threat aliens. You think Imeprium care if they lose one minor world, or ten? They discover, colonize, liberate hundreds of them per year.
Only time will tell what will happened to Tau, will they even became strong faction, will will be galaxy at all to rule then. One thing is certain now, as long Imeprium exists the galaxy will exist as it is. The moment it is defeated the galaxy is Chaos playground and no race will avoid their corruption...
To make it even more clear:
The Imperium is NOT the strongest faction in 40k.
Orks are stronger.
Tyranids are stronger.
Necrons (When they finish awakening).
Chaos (Daemons simply respawn).
Actually, once the imperium falls, the ork population will skyrocket and chaos will have NO CHANCE.
If the Imperium of man dedicated the immense resources necessary to wiping out the 100+ Tau worlds, plus the worlds of all their allies, Horrible, horrible things would happen. These are warships and space marines that would otherwise be out battling orks, or chaos etc. or really any aggressive faction. The tau are a lot more passive as a threat. The worlds those ships would otherwise be saving would be falling to chaos, to WAAAGH!s or whatever. It truly would be a massive deal, especially with the invasions of the septs.
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Not quite, that was only the main 3'rd sphere expansion force.
So it would be precise to say that several Space Marine Chapters defeated main body of the Tau army with little losses.
They still have a hold of 2 worlds thus far from that expansion, but they were utterly defeated at Zeist.
Now they are preparing for 4'th phase expansion.
No, it wasn't. If you actually think that a few hundred Space Marines held off MILLIONS of fire warriors, tens of thousands of crisis suits and uncountable numbers of auxilliaries, you are wrong. This was AN OFFENSIVE, part of the third sphere expansion. It wasn't the entire expansion.
They decided to withdraw from Zeist, because the Tau are like the modern military where they'd rather not engage than win a Pyrrhic victory and/or defeat.
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Imperial technology is generally inferior, but it's also generally more reliable. Not to mention, even if you're in a Battlesuit, Terminators with Lightning Claws or Assault Marines will tear the Tau to shreds. They may be the best shooty army (except for the Necrons), but they're still worth gak in melee.
"Strike first, strike hard, no mercy." 
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" 
in your name it shall be done" 
