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Hey guys, was wondering about the following:

if you charge into cover against an enemy unit, but DON'T make a difficult terrain test on the way, due to one enemy being outside cover, do you still strike at Initiative 1?

I charged marines that were in cover, but did not enter the cover myself, I moved to base contact with the marine on the outside. Defender's React then pulled the rest of the marines to me without having to roll difficult terrain.

garigon wrote:Hey guys, was wondering about the following:

if you charge into cover against an enemy unit, but DON'T make a difficult terrain test on the way, due to one enemy being outside cover, do you still strike at Initiative 1?

I charged marines that were in cover, but did not enter the cover myself, I moved to base contact with the marine on the outside. Defender's React then pulled the rest of the marines to me without having to roll difficult terrain.

How many models of yours assaulted the marines?

You have to get as many models into BTB as possible, even if it means going through terrain. If you had assaulted with just one model, then you would have struck at initiative, If you just piled 10 models onto one marine, you were not following the rules.

Gwar! wrote:

garigon wrote:Hey guys, was wondering about the following:

if you charge into cover against an enemy unit, but DON'T make a difficult terrain test on the way, due to one enemy being outside cover, do you still strike at Initiative 1?

I charged marines that were in cover, but did not enter the cover myself, I moved to base contact with the marine on the outside. Defender's React then pulled the rest of the marines to me without having to roll difficult terrain.

How many models of yours assaulted the marines?

You have to get as many models into BTB as possible, even if it means going through terrain. If you had assaulted with just one model, then you would have struck at initiative, If you just piled 10 models onto one marine, you were not following the rules.

Gwar's got it right here. The only way this would have been possible is if the rest of your models were more than 6 inches away from the other marines.

Prophaniti wrote:

"If you had assaulted with just one model, then you would have struck at initiative, If you just piled 10 models onto one marine, you were not following the rules."

Once you have the nearest model in base to base with the nearest enemy you HAVE to move the next assaulting model into base to base with a different model that isnt in B2B with the 1st assaulting model and so on until every model is in base to base or the 6" move canot get you into base contact with an unengaged model

Gorechild wrote:Once you have the nearest model in base to base with the nearest enemy you HAVE to move the next assaulting model into base to base with a different model that isnt in B2B with the 1st assaulting model and so on until every model is in base to base or the 6" move canot get you into base contact with an unengaged model

More specifically you have to try to get in b2b with an unengaged model, failing that you have to try to get in b2b with an already engaged model, and then failing that you have to try to get within 2" of a freindly model in b2b with an enemy...and then failing that ("towly, your the worst marine ever" "I know...") you have to at least move to maintain coherency.

Add on question.

Lets say Unit A is part in cover. Unit B is 3 inches away from the closest model (not in cover)in Unit A and with in 6 inches of the futherest model (in Cover). Would Unit B have to roll Difficult terrain, and if a 2 was rolled would it mean it is not allowed to assault?

Yes, and yes.

Ok when do you have to roll? If the closest unit was 6", and was not in dif, but some of the unit was in cover would you still have to roll? How much of the unit needs to be in cover for this benefit?

If any model must enter the terrain, the unit must roll.

You roll when you measure 6" (or whatever the assault range is) and find the potential to engage models that are in the terrain.

Works for me., so you base on potential range. Thanks

I have been party to discussion about whether the roll is optional, but most of the time people insist that it is not.

This is basically what happened: My units were moving up 6"to assault the squad who were in cover. The closest enemy to every member of my squad happened to be the marine outside cover. Only 2 of my models could actually make it into base contact with any of my opponent's models, and they could only be in base contact with that one model following their 6" assault move.

In order to move through some obstacles that were so far in my way, I'd had to form a conga-line with my squad during my movement phase, so when it came to the 6" charge, only one of his units were in base contact with me. It ended up where Defender's React kicked in, pulling the rest of his squad towards mine, and we still worked out initiative with mine at 1 - even though I never had to roll a difficult terrain test at all during the entire encounter.

My question was, if you are ever in the scenario where you charge a unit in cover, but somehow end up not making a difficult terrain test, do you strike at normal initiative? I must also add, that I did attempt to make it into contact with models that were in cover where I would have to make a terrain check, but my opponent was adamant that I was not within 6" to do so.

The ONLY reason you strike at I1 is because you made a Dificult or Dangerous Terrain test. that is it.

If you CAN make btb with someone in terrain you must make the DT test, however if you cannot reach someone in terrain you dont make the test.

nosferatu is right. If you can ONLY engage the model outside cover, even if you rolled a 6, you strike at initiative. The enemy will have to pile into you anyway, so you'll effectively pull him out of cover, into your units.