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Anyone ever have an opponent whip out a calculator and start double checking you list in the middle of a match? I was playing a space wolves player and he started giving my list the twice-over when I was pulling ahead in the game.

After catching a guy at the top table in the final round of a tournament with a full sternguard squad he hadn't paid for, I've sometimes ran the points of opponents lists, especially if from a codex I'm not familiar with.

I would check before the game if the list looked to be obviously to big. Checking as soon as you start to loose seems a little big headed if you ask me..."What?! I'm loosing?! That must mean your cheating!" by all means ask your opponent before or after a game, but don't just stop a game competely to double check just because yuor loosing!

I call it a challenge if they gone over the point limit.

To be fair. I was fielding 2 LR and Marneus at 1250pts (I'll post the full list if anyone is actually interested). I had only heard of the day before and had whipped up the list at the game store. I managed to place 4th (we had 4 people w/ 2 wins in a 3 round tourney. They used KP's For ties.). Oddly enough the guy I beat actually placed 2nd.

It's worth doing at some stage, especially as already said when you are not experienced against said army.

But likewise, many armies when fielded in a certain combo seem far larger than you might normally expect. When pitched this way, your opponent should be happy for you to double check.

Id have to agree that checking before or after the game is best. During is certainly what I would call a *****bleep********* move and should make the judges come over and tell him to stop being a butt. I hope your other games were better then this one was.

The first and 3rd round in the tournament were really fun (even had more fun losing in the 3rd round than stomping the piss out of the 2nd round opponent).

At tournaments I always hand over my own list that the opponent may double check it. After that, I hope he gives me his list on his own, otherwise I will ask for it politely. I f he doesnt want to, I think my part, keep silent and friendly, but alert.

I like to double check my opponents list in tournaments, because I want to know, what I will be facing in order to plan the game strategy. I do not look for cheating attempts, because I assume, that I play an honourable opponent. I actually saw no tournament, where my opponent cheats with his list. That would be too risky, because he would get massive penalties by the TO if it comes out. I t just makes no sense.

At friendly games, I will do the same procedure, but I care less for the list. And if he is over the point limit, who cares. Much enemies, much honour

Thaylen wrote:Anyone ever have an opponent whip out a calculator and start double checking you list in the middle of a match? I was playing a space wolves player and he started giving my list the twice-over when I was pulling ahead in the game.

Well as an honorable space fleas player how come you didn't immediately bite him/hump his leg? You'll never make wlf guard acting all civil like?

I did this a while ago...4th ed tourney.
Was my last round and we were calculating victory points....some house mission with sustained assault.

I though my opponent didn't add up correctly (we were counting how much of ourstuff died) so I asked him about the points costs of his units so that I can help him calculate it as don't think he counted 1 or 2 of the squads that were wiped out and returned to the board.

The opponent gets all passive aggressive about it.

Anyway... my opponent ends up winning the tourney... I still think he added it incorrectly when I went and did my battle report on it and figured out the numbers afterwards....which would have affected the outcome (a friend of mine who played sisters would have been first).

You may ask why I didn't press the issue......... because my opponent was the head of the gaming group in my area and he's just not someone to piss off or second guess I guess...cause he apparently never makes mistakes, oh well. I just try to avoid him....I haven't played him again, but i know what to expect when/if it happens.

Most of the WFB GT's I goto have the pleasure of having a group of individuals who pre-screen lists before hand. I have only on 1 occassion double checked an army roster, but it was done before the game I would not do it mid game or after unless there were some hints during the game that things were not correct.

With tally points afterwards, if my opponent hands me a copy of their list before the game I ask to keep it. Then I circle whats been killed and write "1/2" next to others. From there I tally my own, and if neccary have easy ability to tally my opponents. Honestyl, its never really been a factor as in the Northeast there's a lot of people getting tabled in GT's.

As far as my own lists, they are not army builder, but they are a very visually easy to look at MS word format. I have the unit, the base cost, any upgrades, total cost easily spelled out. Then i've got some defacto makings for my opponent, like "GENERAL" and "BATTLE STANDARD BEARER" along with a description of the models appearance. Reason is so the opponent can look at my army and go "ok there's the general." Lastly as I have 4 units of clanrats, there is a holder base for a dice to number the units. This corresponds to my army lists. I"ve found opponents really like i've spelled it out for them, it makes the game a lot more enjoyable and clear.

You're supposed to have your army list ready prior to the game so that your opponent can review it. Checking the points in the middle of a game? Not so kosher - you had your chance, now stop slow-playing!

This is something I have discussed at my local GW. I have been to a couple of tournaments (all 40k), and in every one I have swapped army lists with my opponent before the game for review. Never once was there a problem and we both knew what was in each others list, making the game clear, honest and enjoyable. However this isnt observed in my Local store. Now I know tournament play and instore play are different, but I feel that this proceedure is a must, not only does it allow you to check points costs etc, but it also give opponents the chance to discuss their lists prior to the match so that each player is aware of wghat each unit does...swarmlord inflict instant death, Lysander is eternal warrior etc...that way their are no surprises.

I just think it is good for to do this, as some players never even have a written army list. I do usually find it a problem with most of my friends because they are honest and always play with the same list, but there is one guy in my store who has never had his list written up, and always seems to have the upgrades he needs for the situation. For example, in Dawn of war, my vehicles have blacksun filters, and when i hit them in CC fleshlette dischargers, when they need to go into cover sensor spines, and what appeared to be a reasonable tau army now looks massive for the amount of upgrades it has...the same is true of his nids.

Well, we have at our local gaming store, a guy that checks the lists before we even begin the tournament, It is require for you to bring a copy of your list and each squad needs the point value printed next to it, in addition to that, the store has all of the codexes so it is kinda of hard to cheat it I would guess.

In tournament play doesn't some one look over all the armies before hand just to roughly check points and force org and excessive cheese ect? I would be annoyed if they started to try to make excuses for loosing. I would expect such behavior from a space puppies player though. Perhaps the unfair advantage wasn't on his side for once!

I was under the impression that it was standard procedure to have a copy of your list for the tournament organizer and each of your opponents, to facilitate easy checking.

I generally hand over a list and then ask them the name and abilities of all their units before the game, if I dont know them.

Oddly, I also have problems with Tau players cheating.

In a FLGS the Tau player there tries to tell everyone that his detached drones from destroyed tanks dont count as KP's.

Another Tau waits to see the mission list and deployment type AND my army list before walking off to make his own.

All those little forms of chipmunking are fairly insignificant, but add up to being annoying very quickly.