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my favourite comic books are constantine/watchmen/v for vendetta.i know they were all butchered terribly when they made the jump to the big screen.

Watchmen is definately a fav for me too. I liked the movie V for Vendetta movie but haven't read the comic. Most people who've read the book don't seem to like the movie so I'm sure it deviated quite a bit.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:How the helll do you get turned back to normal after being an undead Frankenstein?

Magic.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:IIRC separation from a Symbiote used to kill the host. So much for that. New Venom every year! What's up with Eddie Brock these days? Still Anti-Venom?

I quit reading Spidey after a certain event, but as far as I know MacGargan is Scorpion again and Eddie ist still Anti-Venom.

I think I know what event you're speaking of: one that involved a whole lot of magic.

So your serious about Punisher? Was it that wacky Mephiston again?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I think I know what event you're speaking of: one that involved a whole lot of magic.

So your serious about Punisher? Was it that wacky Mephiston again?

No, I don't think so. I haven't read it yet, but I saw something about it online. Someone else, not Mephisto.

So the problem with this thread is I don't know what any of you are reading. What are you reading Anung Un Rama et al?
I'll copy and paste from other thread:

"I'll get started. As you know most of us are either Marvel or DC and I grew up Marvel so I'm collecting Spider-Man, Ultimate Spider-Man, Avengers, New Avengers. Notice the Bendis trend. That being said my two favorites are The Walking Dead and Invincible which are both Image and Robert Kirkman. Was a big fan of J. Micheal Straczynski but I think he's losing his touch so I'm trying out Superman and Wonder Woman because of him. Suoerman has been alright so far Wonder Women I think I'm going to drop soon."

I'd like to add just because you read or collect something doesn't mean you actually like or endorse it so don't be embarrassed.

Monthlies for me are

Batman and Robin -- we;ll see how it goes post Morrison.
Batman Inc. -- related to the above.
I, Zombie.
Zatanna
Brightest Day
blanks thenameofthebookfeaturing the old J.L.I
Legion of Superheroes.
I also pick up Fables in in trade and dabble in a few other titles. been reading Abnett's cosmis stuff of late, which has been fun.

I do prefer DC stuff to Marvel, the immediate post crisis late 80s/early 90s is, for me, a "golden age", so to speak, story and character wise. That IS my DC universe, if only for all the RPG supplements I bought then too.

The only monthly series I'm reading are New Avengers and Batman. But there's a Deadpool series starting this month after Marvel Germany finally realised how popular the character is.
Apart from that, I prefer buying TPBs over single issues. On the DC side I stick to Batman and company (Red Robin, Gotham Sirens), while my brother also collects Flash. From Marvel I read everything with Deadpool in it, ultimate Spider-Man and whatever interests me at the time, like Frankencastle.
As I said, I stopped reading 616 Spidey but I try to get my webslinging fix eslewhere. I really liked Spider-Man Noire, but the other Noir stuff just doesn't interest me.

Hellboy is another series I read whenever there's something new to read, because he's always awesome.

I'm a big Vertigo reader,
Scalped
Hellblazer
DMZ
back issues of Lucifer
back issues/trades of 100 Bullets

Also several Dark Horse books,
The Goon
Hellboy
B.P.R.D.
Aliens/Predator

I know there are a bunch of titles I left out, I seem to get 5 or 6 new comics a week...

Oh, and Grendel is my favorite book of all time, didn't see that coming did you?

I've always wondered about Abnett & Lanning. It's like Marvel said "Meh, our cosmic section is unattended to. Dan you do some space stuff in the UK right? Do whatever you want." It gets good reviews though. I'll pick it up on o these days.

How is Fables? Also, highly recommended by comic folk.

That's funny, as a Marvel kid I would say Marvel is in a "golden age" when it comes to wrinting. Civil War was just awesome: Marvel turned your stereotypical comic conventions of Good guys vs. Bad Guys and threw it out. There were now just characters with competing interests aligning with factions of their choice. You really didn't know who would do what or fight who.

I thought I would loathe Secret Invasion but actually it wasn't too bad. Could be argued that it was just an excuse to bring back dead characters though.

Dark Reign was also excellent they threw out the convention that The Good Guys always win in the end and it really was the Villians reigning for almost 2 years. Capped off with The Seige that really was about The Sentry who was a great character.

Anyways the mega-event age appears to be over at Marvel which is fine with all its fans as we are all experiencing "event-fatigue" which is code for "excessively light wallets" but Avengers still manages to keep a big event feel in its monthly stuff.


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Corey85 wrote:I'm a big Vertigo reader,
Scalped
Hellblazer
DMZ
back issues of Lucifer
back issues/trades of 100 Bullets

Also several Dark Horse books,
The Goon
Hellboy
B.P.R.D.
Aliens/Predator

I know there are a bunch of titles I left out, I seem to get 5 or 6 new comics a week...

Oh, and Grendel is my favorite book of all time, didn't see that coming did you?

Used to read The Goon and some of the best individual issues I've ever read are in it (love the football one) but it was always hit or miss and by the end the miss was definately outweighing the Hits so I dropped it.


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Anung Un Rama wrote:The only monthly series I'm reading are New Avengers and Batman. But there's a Deadpool series starting this month after Marvel Germany finally realised how popular the character is.
Apart from that, I prefer buying TPBs over single issues. On the DC side I stick to Batman and company (Red Robin, Gotham Sirens), while my brother also collects Flash. From Marvel I read everything with Deadpool in it, ultimate Spider-Man and whatever interests me at the time, like Frankencastle.
As I said, I stopped reading 616 Spidey but I try to get my webslinging fix eslewhere. I really liked Spider-Man Noire, but the other Noir stuff just doesn't interest me.

Hellboy is another series I read whenever there's something new to read, because he's always awesome.

I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.

If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I've always wondered about Abnett & Lanning. It's like Marvel said "Meh, our cosmic section is unattended to. Dan you do some space stuff in the UK right? Do whatever you want." It gets good reviews though. I'll pick it up on o these days.

How is Fables? Also, highly recommended by comic folk.

Guardians of the Galaxy is great.

Fables is jaw droppingly good IMO. The concept is so obvious when you "get" it, and the execution is just... it's one of the few things I've read that makes me upset as i know I will never write anything that good.

That's funny, as a Marvel kid I would say Marvel is in a "golden age" when it comes to wrinting. Civil War was just awesome: Marvel turned your stereotypical comic conventions of Good guys vs. Bad Guys and threw it out. There were now just characters with competing interests aligning with factions of their choice. You really didn't know who would do what or fight who.

I thought I would loathe Secret Invasion but actually it wasn't too bad. Could be argued that it was just an excuse to bring back dead characters though.

Dark Reign was also excellent they threw out the convention that The Good Guys always win in the end and it really was the Villians reigning for almost 2 years. Capped off with The Seige that really was about The Sentry who was a great character.

See, I thought Civil War was a neat idea, but it suffered -- as it would be a Millar book -- from characters acting to suit the plot rather than acting as they would. I know most stories, capes and tights ones especially perhaps, fall apart somewhat if one examines them too closely, but for me Civil War was a neat idea for, say, the Ultimates setting but made no sense in the mainstream Marvel 'verse.Worse things has happened before, on a much larger scale.

Picked up The Seige 'back for cheap the other day ... hmm... .. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree, especially with regards to Sentry, who I've never liked outside of his first Jenkins mini.

... you'd think Rogue, being an X person, deserves better treatment than that eh ?!

Oh yeah, also buy The Boyz collections too.

Heh, the 8-part mini is the only Sentry thing I don't like. Very anti-climatic ending.



I don't think the characters acted out of character. A school gets blown up and then registration happens I could see the various characters acting the way they did. Never really liked Captain America before Civil War but he came off as a total badass in that one. Anyways , could argue the whole thing was stolen from Watchmen but that was fine by me. It was interesting to see The Keene Act inacted in the Marvel U.

What's this about Rogue? we talking about different mini-series?

At Sentries funeral....

A school gets blown up and then registration happens

Yeah, a school. By a villain. Whole nations have been wiped out, entire countires killed.... nothing. The Hulk's destroyed how much/many over the years.. and now... this does it ? Don't buy it myself.

What do I read?

I tend to stick to specific writers, so I lurk this thread just to keep up.

Grant Morrison, Warren Ellis, Garth Ennis...

seriously don't remember. What happened at Sentry's funeral?
Those other bad things were by villians whom we all agree are bad people. Hulk has his own dedicated anti-hulk task force.

The school children incident was caused by "heroes" but really publicity hogs who had a reality TV show. I think its plausible such an incident would give vigillantes a bad name. Also I think The US goverment wanting to regulate superhumans is also more than plausible. Seriously of all the crazy things we see in comics The Federal goverment regulating Vigilantes is bugging you!? It's not something super-crazy like regulating wall street.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:seriously don't remember. What happened at Sentry's funeral?

http://ragnell.blogspot.com/2010/05/forget-death-character-needs-to-be.html

sums up my thoughts about the character very well. swearing ahoy though.

I think its plausible such an incident would give vigillantes a bad name.

Worse than The Punisher, Ghost Rider etc etc ? Really ?

I agree the govt. would be involved, but i think they way they went about it was completely stupid and failed to take into account, for example, the myriad of alien invasions, time shifts etc etc and the countless ways that many of the superheroes had saved not only earth but existence itself.

But people do panic and do things.
.. so we'll put the Green Goblin in charge then ...? really ?

I read Invincible mostly these days. I'm kinda boycotting DC because I despise the direction they took batman in. But there can be peace between our peoples Reds8n, there need not be bloodshed.

Punisher is not hero, he's reviled by most people and his identity is publicly known. There's 88,000 warrents out for his arrest. Ghost Rider is a supernatural being who most people probably don't know exists. I think you know these things.

The Stamford incident was a bunch of kids in tights with too much power and no training trying to get ratings causing the deaths of children. It's implausible for the goverment to not try to stop that.


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Da Boss wrote:I read Invincible mostly these days. I'm kinda boycotting DC because I despise the direction they took batman in. But there can be peace between our peoples Reds8n, there need not be bloodshed.

Invincible is the best superhero book out there! There can be no peace between the Marvel and DC fanboys! Death to the opposition and to the victor the spoils! ...'cept Marvel already won. Just kidding, I no longer really see Marvel, DC, Image et al as rivals. If one guy sells a lot of books its good for the whole industry as people will often follow a creators adventures throughout the industry like me. Civil War sold boatloads (by non-90s standards) and thats good for everyone even Reds8n.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.

If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.

The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.

And we only read New Avengers, because when the series started in Germany it was (and still is) called "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", even though he doesn't really get that much time in the book anymore.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I dropped Spidey when they went thrice monthly. It was just too much. No one can say the quality didn't suffer, especially the art. The were some issues that boasted the worst art I have ever seen in any comic period. For that to be in Marvel's flagship title was an Embarassment. They've gone twice monthly and new creative team recently so I picked it back up: I'll let you know how it is.

If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.

The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.

And we only read New Avengers, because when the series started in Germany it was (and still is) called "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", even though he doesn't really get that much time in the book anymore.

I understand. JMS had one of the best runs ever on that book.... except OMD.

Does "Spider-Man und die neuen Rächer", mean Spider man and the Avengers? That's what I mean though Spidey is also on 'The Avengers". I really couldn't tell you the difference between the two teams right now except that Luke Cage is the leader of The New Avengers and that he is not on The Avengers. Should be called "Luke Cage and The Avengers and his wife and his baby."

I have to metion, German comics tend to be 6-12 months behind English releases.

Die Rächer are the Avengers and as far as I know the series we're reading is "New Avengers" where the Team with Luke Cage, Bucky Cap and Spider-Man is currently fighting Norman Osborn and/or Hood. But yeah, Cage get's most of the time in the book.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Punisher is not hero, he's reviled by most people and his identity is publicly known. There's 88,000 warrents out for his arrest.

It's a good job that Iron Man, Captain America and the FF put so much effort into arresting him then....

Ghost Rider is a supernatural being who most people probably don't know exists.

Whose been shown on National Television, so he's not exactly unknown now is he ?

The point being that both these individuals kill or terrorise people on a massive scale, and yet the Govt. does nothing.

Story consistency FTW.

The Stamford incident was a bunch of kids in tights with too much power and no training trying to get ratings causing the deaths of children. It's implausible for the goverment to not try to stop that.

Except it wasn't of course : it was actually a team of heroes with over 10 years worth of experience, several of whom had connections with the Avengers and similar groups and had fought before in reality altering events.. cause you read New Warriors Vol I right ?

Whcih is of course clearly different to when the Avengers first fought Count Neferia ..in the middle of NYC



which resulted in buildings collapsing, many deaths and only ended when the Vision did his density schtick and slammed into the city so hard peopel thought an A bomb had been dropped.

And that's just one example from a massive list.

But you know these things.

It's nice to see Marvel trying to do things like Dark Reign, I'd rather they did actual stories like this rather than the old, entirely event driven series -- Secret Wars, Contest of Champios etc etc .. fun as they were.

I just feel that, ultimately, Quesada's "reign" has, overall, been more or done mroe harm than good to the setting and characters. Don't get me wrong, I'm nto claiming that DC is perfect, they've made many mistakes too, I just find their universe a bit more cohesive and "together" -- not to mention iconic -- or at least, when it's done right it is anyway.

Anung Un Rama wrote:
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.

The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.

malfred wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.

It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.

You got a point there. Still, I never felt it was so extreme as with OMD. They took out so many things that defined Spidey, at least for me.
Where is his connection with the Green Goblin if Norman doesn't know his secret identity. Does thta mean he never killed Gwen Stacy? What about all his allies?
It also completly erased everything JMS wrote. How his powers increased, his relationship with Aunt May. (I assume she forgot about his secred identy as well)

Look, its pretty silly to start picking apart the starting point for Civil War for comic book inconsistances when there are so many to go around. If you've got a 40+ year old story with multiple writers where anything goes your going to get some weirdness. It is literally at the bottom of the list and its just the premise to tell the actual story which is Civil War. I like Marvel's current age which is from House of M till now.
DC had the same problem except it was 80 years of astounding amounts of inconsistancies (superman cannot fly btw he leaps buildings in a single bound) until they basically hit the reset button in the 80s. However, I'm sure that a comic book historian uber-nerd could point out many oddities since even then.
I not going to get into a discussion of my company is better than yours that this has become because it is so very petty and immature.


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malfred wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:
If you read New Avengers you should get "Avengers" too. Same writer; even same cast which is.... a good and a bad thing.

The thing is, I really don't want to read Spider-Man stories after OMD anymore. They flushed over 30 years of continuity and character development down the toilet. Not to mention years of the excellent run by JMS. This is my boycott.

It's just one of the hazards of comics. They have to either bloat a character's
backstory or retcon it so that parts of the backstory never existed.

shingouki wrote:my favourite comic books are constantine/watchmen/v for vendetta.i know they were all butchered terribly when they made the jump to the big screen.

The only 'comic book' that I flat out love is Watchmen, (V for Vendetta being a close second) and I thought that the adaptations for both were as true to source material as they could possibly be. Novels simply do not translate well into movies.

Just saw a new comic on the rack called "Batman The Dark Knight". Seems almost like a year one type of story (but more like year 2) Anybody know whats up with it?

Never heard of it.

It's the new monthly ongoing by David Finch...
ie it'll look great, then run late forever more.

http://www.comicvine.com/news/interview-david-finch-writerartist-for-batman-the-dark-knight/142695/

http://www.comicvine.com/news/dc-unveils-david-finchs-batman-the-dark-knight-2/142056/

Says its inspired by 70s Batman but in the current timeline. So Bruce Wayne is back as Gotham Batman I guess.