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chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

Looks like a very vage information.

Frgt/10 just gave us the name of the fourth non-SC HQ: Haemunculus Ancient which is quite different from Haemunculus.
And Vect costs more than before, about as much as Mephiston ... without his Dais!
And many SCs have ID weapons.

Small tidbit:
The Dude over at Warseer still lists only 2 characters, 2 other HQ and Scourges as HS. But instead of updating his summary, he posts this:
"A lot of the questions being asked recently have been answered in the summary for some time."
So if you want to read the relevant information of the Warseer thread (and others), better look here

Kroothawk wrote:Frgt/10 just gave us the name of the fourth non-SC HQ: Haemunculus Ancient which is quite different from Haemunculus.
And Vect costs more than before, about as much as Mephiston ... without his Dais!
And many SCs have ID weapons.

Small tidbit:
The Dude over at Warseer still lists only 2 characters, 2 other HQ and Scourges as HS. But instead of updating his summary, he posts this:
"A lot of the questions being asked recently have been answered in the summary for some time."
So if you want to read the relevant information of the Warseer thread (and others), better look here

So does this mean vect can come with a dais or not? If so awesome I can reuse my extra vect thrones again if not sucks I won't ever get to use my old vect model again.

Does that mean that Vect can come on foot?

The Dais is certainly optional, so it seems he can come on foot.

Kroothawk wrote:The Dais is certainly optional, so it seems he can come on foot.

Wow thats kinda kool. Though not to get confused though is this kinda like the space marine SC that can jump out of his tank, or is he like Calgar where he can take different types of power armor?

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

He can chose to take a Dais or not, that's all I know. And I am not familiar with Smurfs

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

wana10 wrote:

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

Very true.
If the Venom is a HS unit, the Harlies will have access anyway.

wuestenfux wrote:

wana10 wrote:

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

Very true.
If the Venom is a HS unit, the Harlies will have access anyway.

Unless it says "No Space Clowns allowed" on it.

It's far to large for the space clowns. They must ride in the tiny car!

I was hoping to have some Harlies but am going off the idea if all you get when they fire their weapons is a shower of confetti or a flag that says, BANG!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I was hoping to have some Harlies but am going off the idea if all you get when they fire their weapons is a shower of confetti or a flag that says, BANG!

Sorry, but I guess you meant Scourges, right?

wana10 wrote:

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

You mean in 2nd Edition? Because GW adheres very strictly to 2nd Edition rules and fluff?
As I said, there's never been any GOOD reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

While we're giving Harlies things they don't have, I declare that they get whizzbang grenades, and the Death Jester can upgrade his weapon to a bottlerocket launcher.

Archonate wrote:

wana10 wrote:

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

You mean in 2nd Edition? Because GW adheres very strictly to 2nd Edition rules and fluff?
As I said, there's never been any GOOD reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

While we're giving Harlies things they don't have, I declare that they get whizzbang grenades, and the Death Jester can upgrade his weapon to a bottlerocket launcher.

Actually, the experimental 3.2 Beta Harlequin Codex had the Venom in it.......

Archonate wrote:You mean in 2nd Edition? Because GW adheres very strictly to 2nd Edition rules and fluff?
As I said, there's never been any GOOD reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

While we're giving Harlies things they don't have, I declare that they get whizzbang grenades, and the Death Jester can upgrade his weapon to a bottlerocket launcher.

So... Just because the only place a unit has been seen before is in the harlequin codex, and that is where it was originally introduced, and fluffed as being a part of, doesn't mean it's a harlequin unit?

Not once retconning is applied. But less about Harlies and their previous incarnations and more about the new DE rules.

GW changes things all the time, odds are it's been re-conned into something else. In fact GW changes things more often than they keep things the same. The venom isn't going to be a harli transport, just let it go

So Harlie Venoms, the lesser known Space Wolf Leman Russ?

Archonate wrote:

wana10 wrote:

Archonate wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:Rumor was that Harlies wouldn't have access to the Venom, only certain units from the rest of the codex would.

That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex. There's never been any good reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

Except that didn't the Venom first show up in the Harlequin codex?

You mean in 2nd Edition? Because GW adheres very strictly to 2nd Edition rules and fluff?
As I said, there's never been any GOOD reason to think that the Venom is a Harlequin vehicle.

While we're giving Harlies things they don't have, I declare that they get whizzbang grenades, and the Death Jester can upgrade his weapon to a bottlerocket launcher.

I'm sorry, you said never, not "never in 4th or 5th edition". Such a pity my showing you your error caused you obvious mental distress.

Just to clarify, there has NEVER been a Harlequin codex published. It was only an army list available in the citadel journal (did it ever even get chapter approved status?).

The venom seems to be more of a rejected idea that's been recycled and repurposed instead of some massive change to he fluff.

Isn't Urien Rakarth an unparalleled beastmaster in Fantasy for Dark Elves?

He's the Master Haemonuculus for the Dark Eldar. I don't know about the Dark Elves.

Huh, yeah, from the 7th. Ed. Dark Elf Codex:

"Rakarth is the most accomplished beastmaster in the whole of Naggaroth. When Rakarth was just a child his father was attempting to break and train the mighty Black Dragon Bracchus." Etc., etc.

Maybe Urien is his late great ancestor

Can Harlequins take a dedicated transport?

Amaya wrote:Can Harlequins take a dedicated transport?

Not if they're identical in every way to the Eldar Codex Harlies, which has been the case in the rumors thus far.

Thurs/Fri Books will be in UK store I reckon, seeing as Advanced Orders go up Tuesday, then we can all have a relaxing read.

N.B. Stated UK stores, as I don't know how Black Boxes work outside the UK!

I know my local GW already have the book but I haven't been able to get in to see it yet. Officially they can't show it off until the 5th, when preorders go up.

Archonate wrote:That's how it should be. Harlies should be identical to the ones in the Eldar Codex.

Why?

I'm not saying I disagree with you, but we already have units that are slightly different between Codices despite sharing the same names (Storm Shields and Land Raiders, to name but a few), so why should the Harlequins be exempt from that?