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I don't think this has an equivalent in 40k but having said that I'd be interested in seeing a psyker expansion for 40k with some of the creatures of the warp manifesting at warp gates etc. The Eye of Terror is ripe for it.

Kroothawk wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:So...
This is not the WFB Apoc equivalent.
It's....a WFB...er....Cities of Death/Planetstrike equivalent?
Colour me confused.

Army size in 40k is limited because of the limited Force Chart. Apocalypse removes that limit.

Can't both players agree to use two Force Organisation Charts?

Anyhoo, a White Dwarf was waved under my nose today. It had better angles and different paint schemes of the Chimera and Manticore, which made them look less rubbish. Oh and Cockatrice is definitely finecase, but we knew that right?

No interest in this. Ubermagic is lame.
Not a fan of pointlessly massive hordes of infantry either. Good that monsters maybe get a boost but I'd rather see balanced armies that don't rely on gimmicks.

With bigger magic there is no need for units at all.. If you try this in a standard sized game you'll just get dominated by magic, so this *has* to be for bigger games.

Catastrophic miscast + cupped hands = opponent loses?

Ah Kirasu, I think you underestimate the fun of spending a month painstakingly putting together and painting a horde of infantry only to see it wiped from the board in turn 1.

Kirasu wrote:Meh
I mean magic hasnt exactly been the most popular part of 8th edition..

No doubt there!

It is almost like GW isn't paying attention to feedback...

Flashman wrote:
Anyhoo, a White Dwarf was waved under my nose today. It had better angles and different paint schemes of the Chimera and Manticore, which made them look less rubbish.

I'd love to see those pictures, especially the Chimera...

So wait.....this is Herohammer all over again?

I wonder what the heck Fozzriks FLYING Fortress is suppose to look like

Alpharius wrote:

Kirasu wrote:Meh
I mean magic hasnt exactly been the most popular part of 8th edition..

No doubt there!

It is almost like GW isn't paying attention to feedback...

I'm quite surprised they've held their tongues since the initial leak, I was expecting some advance orders this week. As for the magic in 8th, I think that it's more likely that the design studio have been playing 8th so long that they have neutralised some of the more devastating magic through tactics. I'm curious how in some areas there's a quick turn around of tactics (especially in 40k) but there seems to be a blockage in Warhammer Fantasy and the tactical hive mind turn around isn't as fast. It's often been said that GW don't make the rules for tournaments and 'pure' 'balance' and this all looks a bit over the top but I expect most players to buy a few bits then ignore it. What I'd like to see for WHFB is a scenario book like the 40k missions book but done as mini campaigns like the Karak Eight Peaks in White Dwarf. I'd also like some more single play scenarios perhaps with some themed terrain tables (as in random generation lists not dinner tables) .

I really want to take the Lore of Finecast..






See what I did there?

Flashman wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:So...
This is not the WFB Apoc equivalent.
It's....a WFB...er....Cities of Death/Planetstrike equivalent?
Colour me confused.

Army size in 40k is limited because of the limited Force Chart. Apocalypse removes that limit.

Can't both players agree to use two Force Organisation Charts?

Sure you can. But the point of Apocalypse is as a way to plonk down your whole collection for an army and have at a similar collection, so the force organisation chart was removed, as while your collection might fit into two force organisation charts, someone elses might need 5 because they have an abundance of elite and heavy support. House ruling it is all fine and good, but Apocalypse basically gave this sort of game a book to use for big games in stores and clubs.

Fantasy didn't need it to begin with, because due to its percentage system, it scales really well. What doesn't scale well in Fantasy is winds of magic, as it sits at 2D6. Funnily, Storm of Magic should have fixed this by scaling winds of magic, but it doesn't, it just sits it at 4D6 and adds a bunch of overpowered spells.

Some more tidbits:
1.) Book features 45 different types of monsters, including all variants 60-70. This includes Zoats and Fimir!
2.) Each has a distinct spell scroll of binding. More will be released in the future, starting with August.
3.) Everything from the army books Vampire Counts, Tomb Kings and Daemons of Chaos can be summoned as well (not sure if part of the 45).
4.) It is also possible to call allied unit, 75 points (less foci than opponent), 150 points (same number of foci), or 300 points (more foci). May include heroes.

And just to keep this central thread updated, while the forum is flooded with new SoM threads, this is the cover as featured in the WDand first posted by Revarien:

WTF?

I fixed that photo and hosted it!!!

Anyway...

Zoats and Fimir?

Whoa!

I saw the new WD with the new models, and the chimera still looks icky to me. The manticore looks a bit better, but still has some big flat areas of skin that people are going to have to work to get looking good. The black dragon does have a pretty nice alternate head too.

As to Fimir: good thing I still have my HeroQuest models! WOO

I often pondered making a fimir army using the ogre kingdoms lists.

Death By Monkeys wrote:Aaaaaaaand, let's find ways to make WHFB even more random and less competitive. Don't get me wrong - I'm not against the fun factor of some of these things. But how fun is a magic item that ends the game on Turn 1?

You spend a friggin' hour setting up all your models, you get one turn and then the game is done? I'd be pissed, man. And frankly, any game mechanic that is intended to make it so that an opponent cannot get back into the game after a beatdown is just unfun.

Hopefully more people will start to realize this and SoM will sell poorly, then GW will probably stop making crap like this and focus more on "fun" than "random".

Sidstyler wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:Aaaaaaaand, let's find ways to make WHFB even more random and less competitive. Don't get me wrong - I'm not against the fun factor of some of these things. But how fun is a magic item that ends the game on Turn 1?

You spend a friggin' hour setting up all your models, you get one turn and then the game is done? I'd be pissed, man. And frankly, any game mechanic that is intended to make it so that an opponent cannot get back into the game after a beatdown is just unfun.

Hopefully more people will start to realize this and SoM will sell poorly, then GW will probably stop making crap like this and focus more on "fun" than "random".

Indeed. My biggest issues with 8E are the extra randomness factors. The magic phase, in particular, is a focus of my ire: My Tzeentch Warriors army should be able to take advantage of all the points spent on wizards.

Manfred von Drakken wrote:Indeed. My biggest issues with 8E are the extra randomness factors. The magic phase, in particular, is a focus of my ire: My Tzeentch Warriors army should be able to take advantage of all the points spent on wizards.

Why do you need a magic phase? Your Tzeench Chaos Warriors are the next best thing to indestructable (and Core!); all you need out of the magic phase is to keep the other guy's spells under control and your Warriors will wi for you!

Got WD today and have just noticed that the creator of all this wackiness (including the inexplicable ability to summon any unit from any army to fight for you) is of course Mat Ward.

Not a great fan of structured gameplay is he?

I'm all for anything that throws FOCs out the window.

Flashman wrote:Got WD today and have just noticed that the creator of all this wackiness (including the inexplicable ability to summon any unit from any army to fight for you) is of course Mat Ward.

Not a great fan of structured gameplay is he?

My guess is this is to bring in the Apoc style idea of "play with all your models".

Probably a bit clunkier than just playing with a Dogs of War style "get models form other army books, but pay 1.25 their points" or something.

Flashman wrote:Got WD today and have just noticed that the creator of all this wackiness (including the inexplicable ability to summon any unit from any army to fight for you) is of course Mat Ward.

Not a great fan of structured gameplay is he?

The more I think about the giant host of monsters/animals/anything that can be summoned, along with adding in any unit from anyone else, the more I think of soup. SoM might just be the result of Matt Ward dumping all his mini's into a pot and screaming at them to fight. Actually... maybe I'll be able to bind some Grey Knights to come help me out?

I'm not in the 'violently against' camp for SoM, but it does seem like its going to be truly crazy.

Indeed, Warhammer 8th will be known as Crazy Hammer thanks to woods walking around the table and rivers turning into blood when your troops attempt to wade across.

I'm not that opposed to occassional wacky game elememts, but there's crazy and then there's unleashing Mat Ward onto a gaming system.

Nice tidbit found by Simondo over at Warseer:
GW will do a small Storm of Magic campaign called 'Scourge of the Storm', beginning 16th July, that is one week after release.
Teaser website already online: http://www.games-workshop.com/stormofmagic

BTW TheZombieSquig posted these large scans from WD:
SoM book with spinner: http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=113088&d=1308932073
Lammasu: http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=113089&d=1308932073
Taurus: http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=113090&d=1308932073

Note the army specific symbols on the spinner. No idea yet for what they are used, maybe making those race specific lores buffed as well.

The Storm of Magic Advance Orders are up!

Most of them look awesome

Not knowing anything about WFB (other than my Island of Blood starter got me into 40k) I actually like the look of pretty much everything being released. GRANTED, it means nothing to me as a 40k player .

With all of the GW hate going on, I hope you fantasy players have a good release

Single-sprue plastic characters. That's something worth banging your drum about. Why aren't there articles on GW's website about the future of character models and how their advanced plastic casting technology will help here?

Instead we get Failcost, which is just pathetic.

They should be making a bigger deal about these plastics.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Single-sprue plastic characters. That's something worth banging your drum about. Why aren't there articles on GW's website about the future of character models and how their advanced plastic casting technology will help here?

Instead we get Failcost, which is just pathetic.

They should be making a bigger deal about these plastics.

I mentioned the plastic char sprues when IoB first came out,
everyone just laughed at me for the idea.

Hmm I actually think the Manticore and Chimera look much better now, the rider helped the Manticore and the Chimera, while probably my least favorite isn't completely aweful. Also for Citidel Failcast and GW that Cockatrice is pretty cheap.

I like how a Fenbeast is mentioend in the article, it kinda draws attention to the old models, as their bringing back Greater Taurus, Lammasu, Zoats, Fimir, Fenbeasts, Truthsayers and Dark Emmisaries (those ate the ones we know about anyway as we don't know for a fact all of them, add to the fact that some of the creatures are shown multiple times on their lists of things (Like Pegasus and Pegasus Knights, or the many types of dragon, or the old and new Manticores) so there's still room for more, I for one will be eagerly awaiting what will be on it's way, and really looing forward to the Lammasu, Zoats, Fimir and Albion Models (I would say the Greater Taurus too but I own a metal one lol)

Manticore's anatomy is dreadful. Chimera is OK. Cockatrice is dreadful. Shame that after the excellent Dragon kit, they've reverted to stumpy wings.

Zoats? Hmm...

LunaHound wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Single-sprue plastic characters. That's something worth banging your drum about. Why aren't there articles on GW's website about the future of character models and how their advanced plastic casting technology will help here?

Instead we get Failcost, which is just pathetic.

They should be making a bigger deal about these plastics.

I mentioned the plastic char sprues when IoB first came out,
everyone just laughed at me for the idea.

That's because it was widely accepted that the cost for the molds would be too great to warrant doing a single character in plastic, which is why they're always done in metal, they don't move enough units to make it worth the investment. No one really thought they would ever do plastic characters for blisters.

Now that they are doing it for sure, that's pretty damn interesting, even more than the Finecast announcement. I'm really curious as to how and why this has come about and if it'll be a continuing trend.

On the new monsters, now that we have better pics: I like the alternate head for the dragon. The chimera looks better than I thought it would, probably because it is in fact a separate kit. Manticore still sucks, the extra angles didn't help at all, it's just a really bad model.