The Citadel Finecast metal to resin change thread.

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**Neconilis**

ruyn wrote:
Foo wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:Pretty much everything is going up 20%. They fail to price to currency fluctuations (Aus and Canada being prime examples of getting bent over).
We should really get a petition together for Canadian gamers.

Our dollar is up 25%. We already pay a 25% premium vs. US costs. Now they raise the price another 25%?

This is what's known in the common parlance as "a dick move".

Sounds like the US will be looking to build a northern border fence soon to keep Canadian gamers from taking all of our hard-earned, God-given wargames products.

Sounds like a great new Republican scare campaign to me.

**redeyed**

Im not sure I understand that argument..although could be me just being dumb. (@ ako_mythos this is as my reply is on a seperate page now!)

Plastic doesnt get factored into that as no metal is involved.

And the Resin is a cheaper material cutting their costs.

So surely they wouldnt require such a large price increase across the board (average of 10-20%) (after several pretty large ones recently ontop of it!)

**Slackermagee**

Yes, GW can no longer be cast in the 'they're not greedy they're just adjusting to metal prices!' light. They're just plain greedy.

Luckily, they were marketing to little kids for a couple of years and craigslist/ebay/garage sales typically have large quantities of cheap, badly painted minis you need to strip.

Don't buy GW, buy used. You still get to play, they still get to feel the heat.

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Also, a large number of companies have come out of the woodwork recently selling minis of all shapes and sizes at sensible prices. IG look alikes, aliens, men in armor, vehicles, etc.

Counts-as may become the new norm at the FLGS.

**Kirbinator**

Slackermagee wrote:Counts-as may become the new norm at the FLGS.

While I certainly agree GW prices are heinous, trends such as "buy used" and "counts-as" put that FLGS out of business if they are relying on GW sales as a significant portion of their business income.

**dariakus**

From what I understand with a couple of my FLGSs, GW products actually provide very little of their business income. The name "GW" gets people into the store, but they make far more money on all the other things they sell.

**DarkTraveler777**

Not sure if I really should be surprised by this but I just received a partial refund from GW for an order that I placed at the beginning of May. The order consisted of a Clawed Fiend and a Harlequin Shadowseer. The refund was for a Harlequin Shadowseer. I know that model is now part of the first wave of Finecast Resins, but on May 11th I had received an e-mail from GW Customer Service stating that my order was held up because of the Clawed Fiend, which would be back in stock on the 20th. Figuring that I nabbed one of the last metal Shadowseers I was content to wait for my delayed order. Today I received a notification from Paypal of my refund and when I checked my GW account it stated that the Shadowseer is "No Longer Available" (Finecast resin > Metal Model) and that my Clawed Fiend had shipped.

It is really strange that GW would first cite the Clawed Fiend as the reason for my order's delay, then ship the Clawed Fiend early and remove the Shadowseer from my order. I guess if they had done the refund any earlier before their Monday Finecast announcement it may have tipped me off that the Shadowseer may have been part of their new resin range?

I dunno, but I am annoyed. There had been some Shadowseers on eBay in the last few weeks and I passed them up because I thought I had one coming to me from GW. Now I don't. That is extremely irritating.

**Kanluwen**

Without being all controversial:

The Clawed Fiend was on 'delayed order' for a bit this past few weeks. There's been a lot of metals going onto that but they aren't on the Finecast thing.

**DarkTraveler777**

Kanluwen wrote:Without being all controversial:

The Clawed Fiend was on 'delayed order' for a bit this past few weeks. There's been a lot of metals going onto that but they aren't on the Finecast thing.

When I ordered both items they were listed as "Usually Ships in 24 Hours." I know this because I also wanted a Deathjester but it was listed as shipping in "4-6 Weeks" so I left it off my order.

I find it hard to believe that GW was unaware that the Shadowseer was going to be unavailable as of today. Likely on the 11th of this month when they e-mailed me about the Clawed Fiend being the reason for my order's delay they knew that they had no plans to spin up more metal Shadowseers. So why didn't they notify me that the Clawed Fiend would ship on the 20th, and the Shadowseer was no longer available? The conspiracy theorist in me thinks it is because they didn't want to reveal that the Shadowseer was on the Finecast list of models.

However, I will take my tinfoil hat off and just leave it as GW's Customer Service dropped the ball on my order.

**RiTides**

My Clawed Fiends shipped early, too. However, I just ordered a metal model (Scyla Afinngrimm) and am hoping it comes in with no shenanigans... it's listed to ship within 24 hours so I expect it to.

However, at this point, it would seem very wise for people who are interested in metal models that are not making the transition to resin to get them, if they're running down the stock...

**BrassScorpion**

There's a list of some of the first Finecast models to be released by GW at FTW Games' web page:

http://www.ftwgames.net/2011/05/citadel-finecast-model-list-pre-order.html

Citadel Finecast Model List Pre-Order Now Quantities ARE Limited
Posted by Man Boy Genius Wednesday, May 18, 2011

We are now taking pre-orders for all the Citadel Finecast models coming out May 28th. I trying to make sure everyone that wants them has an opportunity to get them.
I will be able to get a max of 3 of each kit at first, and my re-orders will be severely limited for the first couple of months.

So if you wants, please stop by and pre-order. The list of whats being released is below. Some of them are multiple model kits as well new single blisters.
This is all kinda sudden for all of us, but lets make the most of it and get some sweet new resin minis!!!

FELLOWSHIP OF RING
THE DARK LORD SAURON
GULAHVAR
MRDR TROLL CHIEFTAIN
GANDALF THE WHITE
ARAGORN (BLACK GATE)
ELROND AND GIL-GALAD
SULADAN SERPENT LORD
SARUMAN AND GRIMA
BOROMIR (ITHILIEN)
DAIN AND BALIN
GOTHMOG (PELENNOR)
URUK-HAI W.CROSSBOWS
THEODEN (HELMS DEEP)
THE DARK MARSHAL
URUK-HAI BERSERKERS
COMMANDER DANTE
ASTORATH THE GRIM
NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE
CSM RAPTORS
DEATH GUARD MARINES
ABADDON
HURON BLACKHEART
D.A COMPANY MASTER
DARK ELDAR INCUBI
DARK ELDAR MANDRAKES
DARK ELDAR ARCHON
DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS
URIEN RAKARTH
LELITH HESPERAX
FARSEER & WARLOCKS
ELDAR RANGERS
ELDAR DARK REAPERS
STRIKING SCORPIONS
AUTARCH W.POWER WPN
THE AVATAR OF KHAINE
DEATH JESTER
HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER
COMMISSAR YARRICK
I.GUARD COMMISSAR
CALGAR & HON. GUARD
TECHMARINE W.SERVITR
STERNGUARD VETERANS
VANGUARD VETS SQUAD
TERMINATOR LIBRARIAN
SM CHAPLAIN W.J.PACK
GHAZGHKULL THRAKA
ORK TANKBUSTAS
MEK W. SHOKK GUN
BOSS ZAGSTRUK
ORK WARBOSS W.SQUIG
ORK BIG MEK
ORK PAINBOY
TYRANID HIVE TYRANT
TYRANID PYROVORE
TYRANID LICTOR
TYRANID ZOANTHROPE
TYRANID TYRANT GUARD
TYRANID HIVE GUARD
TYRANID BROODLORD
CANIS WOLFBORN
LOGAN GRIMNAR
NJAL STORMCALLER
B.T SWORD BRETHREN
EMPERORS CHAMPION
SNIPER DRONE TEAM
ETHEREAL HONOUR BLDE
LORD KALDOR DRAIGO
BROTHER CAP. STERN
CASTELLAN CROWE
INQUISITOR COTEAZ
MALAGOR DARK OMEN
KING LOUEN LEONCOEUR
THE GREEN KNIGHT
CHAOS SHAGGOTH
ARCHAON EVERCHOSEN
CHAOS EXALTED HERO
KHORNE EXALTED HERO
THOREK IRONBROW
DWARF GYROCOPTER
DWARF BOLT THROWER
DWARF LORD W.HAMMER
DWARF RUNELORD
D/ELVES BOLT THROWR
D.E ASASSIN W.2HWEPS
KURT HELBORG
LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM
CAPTAIN W.HAMMER
CARADRYAN
KROQ GAR
AZHAG T.SLAUGHTERER
WARBOSS ON WYVERN
GOBLIN ROCK LOBBER
ORC SHAMAN ON BOAR
GOBLIN SPEAR CHUKKA
GORBAD IRONCLAW
GRIMGOR IRONHIDE
BLACK ORC BIG BOSS
SKAVEN JEZZAILS
SKAVEN WARLORD
QUEEK HEADTAKER
DEATHMASTER SNIKCH
VARGHULF
BLOOD KNIGHTS
COUNT MANNFRED
VAMPIRE LORD
ORION
WOOD ELVES TREEMAN
WOOD ELVES TREE KIN
HIGHBORN W.GREAT WEP
FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH
SKULLTAKER
LRD ON DAEMON MNT

**JoeyHeadwounds**

Only five items from the Chaos Space Marine line... and none of them are anything that I need for my army. I have to wonder when the next wave will come.

**dariakus**

Which ones of those are new multi-model packs? I think the Jezzails, and what else?

**BrassScorpion**

Some Finecast prices:

http://www.40karmies.com/space-marines/gw-price-hikes-and-updated-citadel-finecast-prices

The Wraith Gate went ahead and updated the prices to USD from the Pound floating around the net, and calculated the change in cost.

Blood Angels
COMMANDER DANTE £10.50 – $17 – was $17 – hike + $0
ASTORATH THE GRIM £12.50 – $20 – was $17 – hike + $3

Chaos Daemons
SKULLTAKER £14.50 – $23.50 – was $20 – hike + $3.50
FLAMERS OF TZEENTCH £15.50 – $25 – was $22.50 – hike + $2.50

Chaos Space Marines
ABADDON THE DESPOILER £14.50 – $23.50 – was $22 – hike + $1.50
HURON BLACKHEART £10.50 – $17 – was $17 – hike + $0
CHAOS SPACE MARINE RAPTORS £25.50 – $41.50 – was $45 – hike - $3.50
DEATH GUARD PLAGUE MARINES £25.50 – $41.50 – was $35 – hike + $6.50
NURGLE DAEMON PRINCE £21.50 – $30 – was $35 – hike -$5

Dark Eldar
DARK ELDAR ARCHON £9.50 – $15.50 – was $15 – hike + $.50
LELITH HESPERAX £10.50 – $17 – was $15 – hike + $2
URIEN RAKARTH £10.50 – $17 – was $15 – hike + $2
DARK ELDAR SUCCUBUS £9.50 – $15.50 – was $15 – hike + $.50
DARK ELDAR INCUBI £23.00 – $37.30 – was $29.75 – hike + $7.55
DARK ELDAR MANDRAKES £20.50 – $33.30 – was $29.75 – hike + $3.55

Eldar
ELDAR AUTARCH WITH POWER WEAPON £10.50 – $17 – was $15 – hike + $2
THE AVATAR OF KHAINE £22.50 – $36.50 – was $30 – hike + $6.50
HARLEQUIN DEATH JESTER £10.50 – $17 – was $13.25 – hike + $3.75
HARLEQUIN SHADOWSEER £10.50 – $17 – was $13.25 – hike + $3.75
ELDAR RANGERS £20.50 – $33.30 – was $33 – hike + $.30
ELDAR DARK REAPERS £23.00 – $37.30 – was $33 – hike + $4.30
ELDAR STRIKING SCORPIONS £23.00 – $37.30 – was $30 – hike + $7.30
ELDAR FARSEER AND WARLOCKS £20.50 – $33.30 – was $30 – hike + $3

Grey Knights
BROTHER CAPTAIN STERN £14.50 – $23.50 – was $20 – hike + $3.50
LORD KALDOR DRAIGO £14.50 – $23.50 – was $22.25 – hike + $1.25
CASTELLAN CROWE £10.50 – $17 – was $16.50 – hike + $.50
INQUISITOR COTEAZ £10.50 – $17 – was $16.50 – hike + $.50

Imperial Guard
COMMISSAR YARRICK £10.50 – $17 – was $ – hike +
IMPERIAL GUARD LORD COMMISSAR £9.50 – $15.50 – was $15 – hike + $.50

Necrons
None

Orks
ORK WARBOSS WITH ATTACK SQUIG £14.50 – $23.50 – was $20 – hike + $3.50
ORK BIG MEK £14.50 – $23.50 – was $20 – hike + $3.50
ORK PAINBOY WITH GROT ORDERLY £10.50 – $17 – was $13.25 – hike + $3.75
BOSS ZAGSTRUK £14.50 – $23.50 – was $22 – hike + $1.50
GHAZGHKULL THRAKA £22.50 – $36.50 – was $35 – hike + $1.50
ORK TANKBUSTAS £25.50 – $41.50 – was $37.25 – hike + $4.25
ORK BIG MEK WITH SHOKK ATTACK GUN £23.00 – $37.30 – was $30 – hike + $7.30

Space Marines
SPACE MARINE CHAPLAIN WITH JUMP PACK £10.50 – $17 – was $15 – hike + $2
SM LIBRARIAN IN TERMINATOR ARMOUR £14.50 – $23.50 – was $19.75 – hike + $3.75
MARNEUS CALGAR AND HONOUR GUARD £36.00 – $58.50 – was $41.25 – hike + $17.25
SPACE MARINE TECHMARINE WITH SERVITORS £25.50 – $41.50 – was $41.25 – hike + $.25
SPACE MARINE STERNGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50 – $41.50 – was $35 – hike + $6.50
SPACE MARINE VANGUARD VETERAN SQUAD £25.50 – $41.50 – was $35 – hike + $6.50

Space Marine – Dark Angels
DARK ANGELS COMPANY MASTER £10.50 – $17 – was $15 – hike + $2

Space Marine – Black Templars
THE EMPERORS CHAMPION £9.50 – $15.50 – was $15 – hike + $.50
BLACK TEMPLARS SWORD BRETHREN SQUAD £25.50 – $41.50 – was $41.25 – hike + $.25

Space Wolves
NJAL STORMCALLER £14.50 – $23.50 – was $22.25 – hike + $1.25
CANIS WOLFBORN £30.00 – $48.70 – was $41.25 – hike + $7.45
LOGAN GRIMNAR £14.50 – $23.50 – was $20 – hike + $3.50

Tau
TAU ETHEREAL WITH HONOUR BLADE £9.50 – $15.50 – was $15 – hike + $.50
TAU SNIPER DRONE TEAM £23.00 – $37.30 – was $33 – hike + $4.30

Tyranids
TYRANID ZOANTHROPE £15.50 – $25 – was $22.25 – hike + $2.75
TYRANID TYRANT GUARD £15.50 – $25 – was $22.25 – hike + $2.75
TYRANID HIVE GUARD £15.50 – $25 – was $20 – hike + $5
TYRANID BROODLORD £15.50 – $25 – was $20 – hike + $5
TYRANID LICTOR £15.50 – $25 – was $22.25 – hike + $2.75
TYRANID HIVE TYRANT £36.00 – $58.50 – was $49.50 – hike + $9
TYRANID PYROVORE £21.50 – $30 – was $33 – hike - $3

Witch Hunters
None

Fantasy and LoTR
83-62 CHAOS EXALTED HERO £9.50
83-63 CHAOS KHORNE EXALTED HERO £10.50
86-60 EMPIRE CAPTAIN WITH HAMMER & PISTOL £9.50
92-60 WOOD ELF HIGHBORN WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
84-60 DWARF LORD WITH HAMMER & SHIELD £9.50
84-61 DWARF RUNELORD WITH GREAT WEAPON £9.50
90-60 SKAVEN WARLORD £9.50
90-61 QUEEK HEADTAKER £10.50
90-62 DEATHMASTER SNIKCH £10.50
91-61 VAMPIRE LORD £9.50
89-60 GRIMGOR IRONHIDE £10.50
89-62 BLACK ORC BIG BOSS £10.50
87-60 CARADRYAN £10.50
85-61 DARK ELF ASSASSIN WITH TWO HAND WEAPONS £9.50
81-60 MALAGOR THE DARK OMEN £12.50
10-61 URUK-HAI WITH CROSSBOWS £14.00
10-62 URUK-HAI BERSERKERS £14.00
08-61 GOTHMOG (PELENNOR) £20.50
05-60 ELROND AND GIL-GALAD £15.00
10-60 SARUMAN AND GRIMA £15.00
02-60 GANDALF THE WHITE £20.50
04-60 ARAGORN (THE BLACK GATE) £20.50
04-62 THEODEN (HELM’S DEEP) £20.50
04-61 BOROMIR (ITHILIEN) £20.50
09-60 SULADAN THE SERPENT LORD £20.50
08-62 THE DARK MARSHAL (RINGWRAITH) £20.50
05-61 DAIN AND BALIN £15.00
83-42 ARCHAON THE EVERCHOSEN £30.00
83-43 CHAOS LORD ON DAEMONIC MOUNT £22.50
83-41 CHAOS DRAGON OGRE SHAGGOTH £36.00
86-41 LUDWIG SCHWARZHELM £22.50
86-40 KURT HELBORG £22.50
82-41 THE GREEN KNIGHT £22.50
82-40 KING LOUEN LEONCOEUR £30.00
92-42 WOOD ELVES TREE KIN £30.00
92-40 ORION KING IN THE WOODS £22.50
92-41 WOOD ELVES TREEMAN £36.00
84-40 THOREK IRONBROW £36.00
84-41 DWARF GYROCOPTER £23.00
84-42 DWARF BOLT THROWER £23.00
90-40 SKAVEN WARPLOCK JEZZAILS £30.00
91-40 VAMPIRE COUNTS VARGHULF £21.50
91-42 COUNT MANNFRED £22.50
91-41 VAMPIRE COUNTS BLOOD KNIGHTS £61.50
88-41 KROQ GAR £40.00
89-44 GOBLIN SPEAR CHUKKA £18.50
89-43 SAVAGE ORC GREAT SHAMAN ON WAR BOAR £15.50
89-41 ORC WARBOSS ON WYVERN £40.00
89-42 GOBLIN ROCK LOBBER £23.00
89-45 GORBAD IRONCLAW £30.00
89-40 AZHAG THE SLAUGHTERER £55.00
85-41 DARK ELVES REAPER BOLT THROWER £18.50
08-40 THE DARK LORD SAURON £25.50
08-42 GULAHVAR THE TERROR OF ARNOR £30.00
08-43 MORDOR TROLL CHIEFTAIN £25.50
02-40 THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING £37.00

**DAWARBOSS**

The price incline is not that bad, looking from the list the biggest hike was the Mek with Shok attack gun which is 9 dollars more than before. Some have even reduced in price! and considering that resin is easier to model with and will hopefully not have the burns or smudged bits that their metal counterparts have, it isn't that bad, wont drive me out of the hobby.

**Darth Bob**

It's nice to see alot of the old metal models that were incredibly annoying to put together (Gulavhar, Hive Tyrant, Azhag) are being redone in metal so those heavy wings don't snap off so easily. Also nice to see the super-top-heavy guys like the Chaos Raptors and Zoanthropes are being done.

Overall, even if there's nothing substantially different in the look of the minis, if the casting qualities good then I welcome these resin miniatures.

**ph34r**

Looks like more models got hit by the FINEcast than I expected.

For some reason, some models only got a 50 cent fine, but others got the full $9 finecast fine, a comfortable 20% up-price.

**SpitfireArsonist**

Went into my local GW today and that was the main "buzz". Lot's of people were okay with the price hike with the new models. Most of them are "fanboys" so they are usually okay with most of GW's decisions.

I still think it's a bit ridiculous. Yes the quality is supposedly much better than their pewter counterparts, but where does it end?

On a side note, I kept bugging the manager about the overall price hikes that are incoming and he seemed to have no idea what I was talking about. Whether or not he was being sincere is up for debate though.

**wookie8472**

i dont care for the packaging, it just gets thrown away. so a box of troops is a box of troops, not an art piece with troops inside. most of the cost of the unit or figure goes to packaging, the bloke who gw pays a ridiculous amount of money to and the tea lady. packaging should be basic, simple and recyclable, not redesigned every week. also why do gw put the designers names in their picture book rather than prices? i for one could not care less who designed any model, they are simply the people paid to do a job, and the quality is somewhat lacking. i think a pound per troop model is fair, not £8-£13. its a crazy assumption that gw think we cant see the stupidity of their pricing.
i was told once that the strength of a model in the game counts towards the price, which is ludicrous, and as i dont play gws stupid games, i should get them cheaper.

but then, as gw have lost me as a customer, i really couldnt give a toss what they do in the future. i hope they go under, i really do. that would show them.

**Swordwind**

It hurts me to see the Avatar and Scorps become more expensive.

**H.B.M.C.**

Only in the twisted world of Games Workshop Corporate would a cheaper material result in Marneus Calgar going up by $17.25.

My half brother deserves better than that!!!

**Swordwind**

Suffering sucatash! Just realised the blood knights are 61 pounds. Man, GW must really hate VC players.

**TheFirstBorn**

Hellcannon in resin.... mmmmmhmhmhm

**Sidstyler**

Okay, I really don't understand some of these prices. For example, the DE archon and succubus only went up $.50. Cool, whatever, I can live with that...but why did Lelith and Urien, models of comparative size to the aforementioned ones, go up $2? Why are they so much more expensive despite being the same infantry-sized models with the same level of detail? The mandrakes and incubi confuse me even more...they both start at $29.75, which makes sense, both kits have five models. But mandrakes increase by only $3.55, while the incubi go up a whopping $7.55. Why? There's no reason for that kind of disparity whatsoever, especially when barely six months ago it was decided that they were both worth exactly the same and contained the same amount of product.

I want someone from GW to explain to me exactly what the hell I'm paying for. Why couldn't you have just raised all the prices $.50 per model? It would have made both the mandrake and incubi increases palatable.

Also, lmao @ Marneus Calgar. Are you gaking me?!

**Vimes**

That´s somethin I noticed quite some time ago with GW.

GW doesn´t seem to charge for the material alone, they seem to slap on a "popularity tax" on top of it as well. Modells that are stronger or likely to get bought more often are most of the times slightly more expensive than models that are less likely to be bought.

**Miraclefish**

Sorry, a Tau Sniper Drone team now costs £23!?

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redeyed wrote:Im not sure I understand that argument..although could be me just being dumb. (@ ako_mythos this is as my reply is on a seperate page now!)

Plastic doesnt get factored into that as no metal is involved.

And the Resin is a cheaper material cutting their costs.

So surely they wouldnt require such a large price increase across the board (average of 10-20%) (after several pretty large ones recently ontop of it!)

Resin may be cheaper than the new price of tin but it may not be cheaper than the old price that the models were prices using.

If costs would go up 23% sticking with metal and 17% going with new resin, for example, neither gives a price drop, just less of an increase.

Whether it's done honestly or if it is a price gouge doesn't matter to me, it's all too much. £41 for a Land Raider? £23 for a Sniper Drone Team? I'm out. Done. No more new models.

**ph34r**

If anyone is interested, from the lists on this forum I have calculated, for items whose prices have changed (even by as low as $0.25), the average increases are:

plastic boxes: +12%
books: +14%
metal/finecast: +15%

When you also include items whose prices did not change (aka, items that GW realized weren't selling at current price and that they could not get away with a price increase for, and space marines, because GW loves giving SM all the breaks they can get), the numbers become more like:

plastic boxes: +5%
books: +9%
metal/finecast: +15%

Also I got a laugh out of the fact that raptors, nurgle daemon princes, and pyrovores all went down in price $3-$5, according to the finecast information given.
It makes sense though, when was the last time you saw ANYONE buy one of those models. For me? Literally never.

**Tyrolean**

Firstly, is Failcast going to try and kill me with it's prices and cancerous dust? The fragility of resin is also very troublesome, metal might be time consuming to pin properly but if it makes impact it's going to destroy something instead of shattering.

$45 for Chaos raptors? lol I'm sure they'll sell more

**RiTides**

TheFirstBorn wrote:Hellcannon in resin.... mmmmmhmhmhm

Except that it's not on the list :-/

The Carnosaur is, however, last I checked... so maybe they can do huge blocks of metal in their resin material.

**Ravenous D**

Tyrolean wrote:Firstly, is Failcast going to try and kill me with it's prices and cancerous dust? The fragility of resin is also very troublesome, metal might be time consuming to pin properly but if it makes impact it's going to destroy something instead of shattering.

$45 for Chaos raptors? lol I'm sure they'll sell more

According to GW it is totally safe and kid friendly. From what I was told, you dont have to clean them either, GW just suggests that you do not file them as it will scratch the surface.

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Slackermagee wrote:Don't buy GW, buy used. You still get to play, they still get to feel the heat.

I agree with this, to add to it share codices with friends, I have the rulebook, every dex and FAQ on my ipad, its awesome, and totally free.

**Kirasu**

Hmm might have to buy a new commander dante and astorath

I hope the scorpions are being repackaged as 10 models cause thats a pretty huge hike