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Wish I had three Exorcists, let alone 16.

My opinion? Supplement with Whirlwinds or Basilisks. Or both! Let one handle your anti-infantry needs while the Exorcists rip apart heavy armored troops and vehicles!

Or just homebrew fuel-air-explosives as alternative ammo for the Exorcist (comments welcome).

Nice as those rules are, Sydney, I'm already feeling bad enough having to proxy meltaguns to field Dominion squads until I can save up some more cash or find reasonable deals on eBay. Convincing them to let me try homebrew rules will open up a can of worms. Especially with the power gamer of our group. >.>

I use Whirlwinds for my exos with Forgeworld front plates and doors

I like a more "militarized" look myself.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Seraphim get +1A in assault for having 2 bolt pistols, right?

Yes they sure do, in the in close combat pistols count as a CCW.

 ansacs wrote:

 SisterSydney wrote:
How about quadruple heavy flamer Retributors? I know they're not the legendary easy bake oven of old, but has anyone tried them in 7E?

I have been messing with them in 2 different ways.
1) with issodon to infiltrate the unit inside a repressor or immolator (in which case they have to disembark to flame). I usually have 3 dom units scout forward and 3 infiltrated units (2-3 of the HF rets) all in my opponents face. It is a truly devastating alpha strike and can almost finish a fight turn 1.
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How are you achieving this? If you're taking three units of Dominions and three units of Retributors then you're probably running your Sisters as your Primary detachment. With that being the case Lias Issodon is your HQ choice for your allied Raptors detachment, meaning he cannot be your army warlord and thus doesn't get the benefit of the Master of Ambush trait.

Lias Issodon is pretty fun to use and would work quite nicely with a unit of heavy bolter Retributors perched on a Bastion with ammo dump for a bunch of rending shots with a 2+ cover save. Infiltrate, Isolate, Destroy coupled with a Callidus Assassin can be really effective in getting some wounds in nice and early against a key unit/potential trouble causer. Add in a unit of Scouts and a Storm Talon and you have a pretty decent Allied Detachment + Assassin. It's just a shame about the Master of Ambush tactic.

One of the 7th edition changes is that any of your characters may be your Warlord, regardless of which detachment they're in. Further, Issodon's trait requires him to be your Warlord. Also, you can have two or more primary detachments now, regardless of points cost.

Taikishi wrote:
One of the 7th edition changes is that any of your characters may be your Warlord, regardless of which detachment they're in. Further, Issodon's trait requires him to be your Warlord. Also, you can have two or more primary detachments now, regardless of points cost.

Any character that isn't in your allied detachment, that is.

"Allied Detachment
RESTRICTIONS
This Detachment cannot be your Primary Detachment.
Your Warlord can never be chosen from this Detachment.
All units chosen must have the same Faction (or no Faction).
All units chosen must have a different Faction to any of the units in your
Primary Detachment (or no Faction)."


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If you can get him in a different kind of detachment without that restriction, you'd be fine.

Regardless, you're allowed to have multiple primary detachments now and last I saw there's no restriction that all of your combined arms detachments have to be the same Faction, only that all entries in that detachment be from the same faction.

So you can run, for example:
Sororitas CAD
* Saint Celestine
* 2 Battle Sister Squads
* Seraphim Squad
* 2 Retributor Squads in Repressors

Raptors CAD
* Issodon
* 2 Scout Squads

Raven Guard Allied Detachment
* Shadow Captain Shrike
* Scout Squad

Then do the following:

a. Make Issodon your Warlord
b. Give Celestine and the Retributors Infiltrate through Master of Ambush
c. Use Shrike's trait to attach him to the Seraphim squad and have him, Celestine, and the Seraphim all infiltrate together

That is correct. I was just clarifying your incorrect statement, however.

I actually don't own a base rulebook and most of the rules changes I'm aware of come from blog posts. I merely misinterpreted the posts in question.

Many apologies and I now offer my seppuku to cleanse my shame...

Taikishi wrote:
I actually don't own a base rulebook and most of the rules changes I'm aware of come from blog posts. I merely misinterpreted the posts in question.

Many apologies and I now offer my seppuku to cleanse my shame...

Might want to grab a rulebook first.

At THOSE prices? Feh. I'd rather spend the money trying to get more models! I need more meltas, basic girls, Immolators, and similacrums!

Taikishi wrote:
Regardless, you're allowed to have multiple primary detachments now and last I saw there's no restriction that all of your combined arms detachments have to be the same Faction, only that all entries in that detachment be from the same faction.

So you can run, for example:
Sororitas CAD
* Saint Celestine
* 2 Battle Sister Squads
* Seraphim Squad
* 2 Retributor Squads in Repressors

Raptors CAD
* Issodon
* 2 Scout Squads

Raven Guard Allied Detachment
* Shadow Captain Shrike
* Scout Squad

Then do the following:

a. Make Issodon your Warlord
b. Give Celestine and the Retributors Infiltrate through Master of Ambush
c. Use Shrike's trait to attach him to the Seraphim squad and have him, Celestine, and the Seraphim all infiltrate together

I hadn't considered dual CAD lists as I've never encountered one and for some reason was under the impression that you could run as many CADs as you wanted provided they were from the same faction. Running a dual CAD like above would indeed give you the option to choose which Character becomes your Warlord and that faction in turn becomes your primary detachment. You can have multiple CADs but only one of these is your primary.

I'm not sure that Issodon's warlord rule allows him to override the rules in the 7th ed book if taken as part of an Allied Detachment as it is quite specific about your warlord never being chosen from this detachment. If his updated rules override what the rulebook has to say then fair enough and I could utilize him without any dual CAD shenanigans but I don't believe this to be the case.

I'm too used to making lists using TO restrictions so it's normally a two detachment limit, 1 x CAD and 1 x Allied Detachment (sometimes with self ally allowed), so I never thought about running a Dual CAD setup. Especially as I thought it was restricted to being the same faction. It definitely opens me up to some new possibilities, but to be honest I do like and will probably stick to the general TO list requirements as I like to play with and gain experience with tournament legal lists.

Yeah, looking at TO list limitations makes me very sad given how limited the current Sisters codex is and my desire for non-spam lists. I would be less sad if my current obsession weren't how to counter Codex: Wave Serpent or if Sisters just had access to drop pods.

That does bring up an interesting question.

Granted, most of the "big" tournaments aren't allowing ForgeWorld (yet), but if a model has a trait that requires it to be your Warlord but is part of an allied detachment... can you even take the model? Or must you flip which army is your primary detachment?

Taikishi wrote:
That does bring up an interesting question.

Granted, most of the "big" tournaments aren't allowing ForgeWorld (yet), but if a model has a trait that requires it to be your Warlord but is part of an allied detachment... can you even take the model? Or must you flip which army is your primary detachment?

Your primary detachment wouldn't flip as you have to assign a warlord from a non-allied detachment, meaning any CAD or formation. As far as I understand it you would lose the warlord trait for that character as per the warlord trait rules when taken as part of an allied detachment. He cannot be taken if the rules are updated to state that a model that must become the armies warlord can never be taken as part of an allied detachment. Or however a TO wants to rule it. So Issodon either loses his warlord trait when taken as part of an allied detachment or can only be included as part of an armies' primary detachment as that would be the only way to fulfill his warlord requirement. It would also mean that you could only ever take one character with that warlord rule per army as both cannot be your warlord. So no Lias Issodon + Lugft Huron combos.

Another way to accomplish this BTW is to take multiple allied SoB detachments.

Alternatively depending on how you interpret the siege assault vanguard detachment as working in 7ed you could take a SoB CAD and a siege assault vanguard "primary detachment".

Currently this is not a great way to do things in a TO setting. Hopefully they release another SM supplement but this time with a new FOC in it (like the covens supplement).

I tried out my first SW drop pod today and just want to say, deepstriking Heavy flamer Retributiors are delicious. I've got my second drop pod and thinking hard about what I want to do.

The Heavy flamers seem really worth it but I really want that third heavy slot for my Avenger.

I wish penitent engines could be put into a drop pod.... that would be delicious.

 Green is Best! wrote:
I wish penitent engines could be put into a drop pod.... that would be delicious.

allie with space wolves... take drop pod as fast attack, add penitent engine... I'm pretty sure this works anyway.

But it would be better to put dominions (4 meltas and a combi) or the cannoness + command squad (5 with meltas and a combi) in the pod.




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 Madcat87 wrote:
I tried out my first SW drop pod today and just want to say, deepstriking Heavy flamer Retributiors are delicious. I've got my second drop pod and thinking hard about what I want to do.

The Heavy flamers seem really worth it but I really want that third heavy slot for my Avenger.

cannoness command squad can all take heavy flamers right? Thats 5 heavy flamers vs 4

The command squad lacks the acts of faith that make those units deadly, or the ability to take extra models. 4 heavy flamers might clear an objective. 9 sisters with a priest are more likely to hold it, or at least force the enemy to devote a lot more firepower to removing them.

Unless the penitent engine becomes classified as a dreadnought, the drop pod doesn't have the transport capacity for it.

Mavnas wrote:


Unless the penitent engine becomes classified as a dreadnought, the drop pod doesn't have the transport capacity for it.

This. Drop Pod specifically allows dreadnoughts, not PEs.

On a different, yet related note, I have 4 PEs done. 4 more are en route. I also started painting my repentia. So, I should be able to field the Repentant Host in a few weeks. I will do my best to get some pics of them dying horrible deaths in the name of the Emperor.

 Madcat87 wrote:
I've got my second drop pod and thinking hard about what I want to do.

A battle conclave with crusaders, DCA, and some priests could be nice. If you take the SW detachment with all the HQs you could make an interesting melee units from priests, crusaders, and SW ICs.

The best is if you can take another detachment and bring a culexus assassin.

I'm not keen on the Battle conclave as I was planning on going for thunderwolf support at higher point levels. The cannoness + heavy flamer command squad isn't a terrible idea, maybe I'll try it for the lols as I really want to use my cannoness model.

So which one of you gits is selling your beautiful army?

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-toys-games/city-of-toronto/games-workshop-warhammer-40k-adepta-sororitas-sisters-of-battle/1027552336?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

Not I, although that's the same order as mine.

I do not know but it is sweet I think 450 I might be interested but not at that price.

If the colors matched mine at all or I hadn't gone crazy and bought like 100 sisters at some point when I thought they might discontinue the metals, I'd look at it.