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What do you think could happen 10,000 years after 40k

here is my take:

Year 41000

-The full weight of the tyranid hive fleets are bought into the galaxy

-More necrons start to awake

-The imperium is taking the brunt of these attacks not to mention the countless chaos incursion,rebellions etc the first signs of the imperium starting to crumble show

Year 41500

-Various Tyranid attacks on craftworlds bring crafteworld eldar near extinction only a few survive

-The imperium is desperately trying to fend off the many tyranid hivefleets entire chapters sacrifice them selves in order to stem the tide

Year 43600

-Abbanon launches a new black crusade much to the dismay of the already struggling imperium abbanon easily takes the cadian system & proceed onward to terra

-Ork empires are slowly but surely being wiped out by the many tyranid hive fleets

-Craftworld eldar are now extinct due to the tyranids

-Dark eldar are finding it incredibly difficult to go on raids due to the risk of being overwhelmed & killed by Nids

-The tau are starting to take on tyranid invasions of their own

Year 44000

-Abbanon crusade grinds to a bloody halt due the sheer number of tyranids bloackading his way, which turns into a massive slug fest between chaos & Nids

-The already struggling imperium is faced with even more problems when many necrons start to awake from tombworlds once the craftworld eldar are gone

-In rare cases necrons actually defend imperial planets from the endless tides of tyranids only for the necrons to kill the imperials after the battle to appease their star gods

Year 46700

-Abbanons black crusade crumbles due its inability to push past the endless bloackade of tyranids the warlords are reduced to infighting or flee back into the eye of terror

-The imperium is barely holding out agianst the endless tyranid swarm facing the collapse of the imperium laws are drastically changed entire systems are recruited into the imperial guard to hold the line,prisoners from millions of worlds are conscripted into service alien,human,heretic it didnt matter due to the entire imperium was at stake

-Faced with no alternative & extremely heavy losses The imperium & tau come together & form a full military alliance

Year 48300

-The imperiums darkest years most chapters & titan legions are destroyed the imperial guard & inquisition as well as the tau is the only thing standing from total destruction

-Just as total destruction was imminent a miracle happened an unknown member of the illuminai was sacrificed to the emperor but this was unknown to him or anyone else

-as the illumunai is sacrificed a large crackle of energy forms around the emperor flesh is mended, muscles regenerate,scars are healed till the point where......the emperor awakes his guards are astonished as he gets off the golden throne seemly more powerful than ever his first act was to kill the high lords of terra for defiling his wishes

-news of the emperors rebirth spreads like wildfire & imperium soldiers are driven to great heights of courage & bravery

Year 48700

-Massive scale restructuring leads to the imperium taking back many of its lost planets & starting to defeat the tyranids at every turn

-The emporer recreates the space marine legions to fight the unending tyranid threat,many necron tomb worlds are purged

-The emporer participates on the front line leading many campaigns to victory agianst the Nids & enemies of man along with his tau allies

-The tau slowly get integrated into human society

Year 49500

-The tyranids have been pushed back greatly to the edges of the galaxy

-Religion of the emperor is slowly being abolished & science & technology is taking its place

-Many lost technologies are relearned & rediscovered which used to finally defeat the tyranids & destroy the systems that chaos took over during its black crusade

Year 50000

-The new Neo imperium reigns supreme constantly expanding & reaching out to new galaxies to unite all sentient of the universe under one banner however the universe holds many enemies & threats but thats a story for another time

It is a nice future you've painted there. But what I've imagined is.. The Emperor dies. Humanity is crushed by an onslaught of Chaos and xenos.

Scorpionov wrote:
Year 48300

-The imperiums darkest years most chapters & titan legions are destroyed the imperial guard & inquisition as well as the tau is the only thing standing from total destruction

-Just as total destruction was imminent a miracle happened an unknown member of the illuminai was sacrificed to the emperor but this was unknown to him or anyone else

-as the illumunai is sacrificed a large crackle of energy forms around the emperor flesh is mended, muscles regenerate,scars are healed till the point where......the emperor awakes his guards are astonished as he gets off the golden throne seemly more powerful than ever his first act was to kill the high lords of terra for defiling his wishes

-news of the emperors rebirth spreads like wildfire & imperium soldiers are driven to great heights of courage & bravery

This seems to be the lynchpin behind your timeline. I think however, that the forces of the galaxy will naturally begin to unite against the Tyranid threat, as the become more and more dominant in the galaxy (not out of any wish for an alliance between the races). In 10,000 years the Tau Empire will either thrive and take up a larger portion of the galaxy or be swept aside by the initial Tyranid movement. I can imagine that the securest parts of the Imperium would be to the North and North East from Terra onwards, and perhaps the South-West. Neither of these areas seem to face threats such as the Tyranids in the East, the EoT in the West or the horde of Orks (led by Ghazgkull) in the...where was Armageddon again?

Anyway, all in all I think you've made a fair judgement. The illuminati bit comes across as a bit dues ex machina, but of course it is an existing theory and so entirely possible.

this was just a mary sue setup. Things went bad for the imperium (but most of its enemies came off worse) and then Mary Sue woke up and everything was fine.
I especially liked how God came back but then his religion disappeared. That makes sense.

Scorpionov wrote:What do you think could happen 10,000 years after 40k

here is my take:

Year 41000

I'm gonna stop you there, Black Library and Games Workshop have all ready moved into Year 41,000. In fact depending on the source its Either the very end of 41,999 or its early 42,100's.

The power of Chaos comes from the Imperial human population, so the harder the IoM is hit, the weaker the Chaos armies will be.

Kilkrazy wrote:The power of Chaos comes from the Imperial human population, so the harder the IoM is hit, the weaker the Chaos armies will be.

CSM dont act like they are aware of that at all. Even if that is true, in the short term Chaos will get stronger because the IoM will be fighting off all those enemies, and empowering chaos in the process. The worst thing for Chaos would be a static IoM that does nothing. Entropy is the enemy of Chaos.

Kilkrazy wrote:The power of Chaos comes from the Imperial human population, so the harder the IoM is hit, the weaker the Chaos armies will be.

Arguably, this is becuase the Imperium is the largest and single most populous race in the galaxy. Not due to the fact that they're human. Although, given all the orks hanging around, you'd figure that Khorne would be at the top of the food chain? Regardless, lifeless planets in the wake of tyranids don't leave much emotion to feed off.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:
I especially liked how God came back but then his religion disappeared. That makes sense.

This

I think at the Emperors second coming he would realize what a benefit religion played in keeping the Imperium alive after he was interred into the Golden Throne. He tried the whole, there are no Gods thing and look how that turned out. I don't think he can pull that one again.

Otherwise, I like it.

I've done one, also a bit Mary Sue, but the Emperor dies at the start

Orks don't effect Khorne unless they are tricked into worshiping him. Of course most references towards Chaos Orks don't or won't be around soon with the Grey Knights and Presumably SoB codexs being updated. Orks also direct all their worship towards Gork and Mork, who in older books would gang up on Khorne.

Are you by any chance a fan of Tau and Tyranids? This sort of suggests a bias towards those two races. I like the idea but I think by the year 50k (going by your time line) tha galaxy would be alot less diverse and interesting. Its basically summed up as Nids eat everything, Tau hide with imperium, empereor saves the day, everything else dies, Woo emperor. If you were looking to flesh it out rather than it just being 1 post I'd suggest looking at the "Death of the Emperor" articles here on Dakka, the thread was AMAZING and made things really progress without wiping the slate clean. It's a big read, but its there if your interested

@BrotherStynier- Orks also have very little presence in the warp (like tau) so they are very hard for Chaos to corrupt.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Although, given all the orks hanging around, you'd figure that Khorne would be at the top of the food chain?

Khorne is at the top of the food chain, he always has been the most powerful for the Chaos gods, although that has nothing to do with Orks

Gorechild wrote:Are you by any chance a fan of Tau and Tyranids? This sort of suggests a bias towards those two races. I like the idea but I think by the year 50k (going by your time line) tha galaxy would be alot less diverse and interesting. Its basically summed up as Nids eat everything, Tau hide with imperium, empereor saves the day, everything else dies, Woo emperor. If you were looking to flesh it out rather than it just being 1 post I'd suggest looking at the "Death of the Emperor" articles here on Dakka, the thread was AMAZING and made things really progress without wiping the slate clean. It's a big read, but its there if your interested

@BrotherStynier- Orks also have very little presence in the warp (like tau) so they are very hard for Chaos to corrupt.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Although, given all the orks hanging around, you'd figure that Khorne would be at the top of the food chain?

Khorne is at the top of the food chain, he always has been the most powerful for the Chaos gods, although that has nothing to do with Orks

Orks do not have a small presence in the warp.

And Khorne is not the most powerful of the Chaos Gods, most fluff IIRC says that Slaanesh is the most powerful, or Tzeentch.

I'm 99% sure Khorne is the Most powerful (don't have my CSM or deamons codex at work to back me up though).

I think then its Tzeentch, Nurgle and finally Slaanesh. Can you quote anything that suggests what you say? I'd be interested to look into it.

I don't have my books in hand but I recall reading somewhere and hearing from people that Slaanesh was the most powerful.

Tzeentch is the most powerful as all the other gods (even Gork and Mork) are part of his tapestry which is the power of change. As for this timeline... who is to say that the Hive Fleets aren't part of his machinations! Highly mutable xenos who cast a shadow over the warp? Suspicious...

Gorechild wrote:Are you by any chance a fan of Tau and Tyranids? This sort of suggests a bias towards those two races. I like the idea but I think by the year 50k (going by your time line) tha galaxy would be alot less diverse and interesting. Its basically summed up as Nids eat everything, Tau hide with imperium, empereor saves the day, everything else dies, Woo emperor. If you were looking to flesh it out rather than it just being 1 post I'd suggest looking at the "Death of the Emperor" articles here on Dakka, the thread was AMAZING and made things really progress without wiping the slate clean. It's a big read, but its there if your interested

@BrotherStynier- Orks also have very little presence in the warp (like tau) so they are very hard for Chaos to corrupt.

why is it biased to the 'nids? fluff already points to an increase in the level of tyranid attacks and they lose at the end, to me it sounds very well thought out.

orks actually have a massive presense in the warp, so much so that it allows them to do thinks that are impossible to other races ie making things go faster by just painting them red. orks are hard to mutate due to the strong bond with the gork and mork.

IIRC, this the ranking of power amongst the Gods

1.T'zeentch - Knowledge and Power transcends Death.
2.Nurgle - Death and Decay supersede Violence.
3.Khorne - Violence and War overcome Hedonism.
4.Slaanesh - Hedonism and Lust are only done be sexual creatures.

Sounds logical to me, I forget where I read it.

Tau are already fighting against Tyranid fleets.
Though if the Emperor did come back some much stuff would change... it'd be kinda awesome... i hope.

undivided wrote:1.T'zeentch - Knowledge and Power transcends Death.
2.Nurgle - Death and Decay supersede Violence.
3.Khorne - Violence and War overcome Hedonism.
4.Slaanesh - Hedonism and Lust are only done be sexual creatures.

I've never seen that but it is cool!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The power of Chaos comes from the Imperial human population, so the harder the IoM is hit, the weaker the Chaos armies will be.

Arguably, this is becuase the Imperium is the largest and single most populous race in the galaxy. Not due to the fact that they're human. Although, given all the orks hanging around, you'd figure that Khorne would be at the top of the food chain? Regardless, lifeless planets in the wake of tyranids don't leave much emotion to feed off.

As I understand it, only humans and space elves give off the kind of psychic waves that creates Chaos.

IMHO it was pretty good up untill the whole re-birth of the Emperor bit. Then everything kind of went down hill

1 The Emperor created the High Lords of Terra, I doubt he would kill them simply for doing what they thought best and beings as it's kept the Imperium going for so long it must have worked.

2 Even though he is the Emperor if he tried to end religion it would most likely create another heresy as entire systems (not to mention the Ecclesiarchy who woulden't give up their power easily) would rebel either claiming that the Emperor himself is false or lured into the embrace of Chaos since their faith has been stunted like the Word Bearers.

3 Tau would not be integrated in human society because the Tau are first amongst equals. Others join the Greater Good they don't join others. And even though I'm a fan of the Tau chances are if there is this much Tyranid activity in the galaxy the Tau would have been wiped out already.

4. It woulden't be as easy as you make it out to be to remake the Legions. Especially given that the Imperium is so taxed

5. The Imperium would take back its worlds? from what? the Tyranids leave worlds as lifeless rocks they don't hold them, the Necrons drain the life essence from planets they inhabit turning them into barren desserts. The only planets that they could take back are those taken by Abbadon and if his crusade was able to take them chances are they're either Daemon Worlds or highly tainted and woulden't be worth taking.

6. The Imperium just happened to relearn all this lost technology? That knowledge woulden't come from the Emperor, true he created the Adeptus Mechanicus via the whole Void Dragon being inprisoned on Mars but he woulden't know every secret of all the lost technology. And if Tyranids and Necrons are running rampant throughout the galaxy those planets that had STCs probably woulden't have them anymore.

7. You've given the Orks alot less credit then they deserve, they are one of the oldest races in the galaxy and where created specifically for war. If the Orks where united they would over run everyone in the galaxy and given that Tyranid/Ork conflicts are usually pretty epic the Orks woulden't go down so easily.

8. The same goes for the Necrons, Emperor or not the Necrons defeated the Old Ones who where way more powerfull then the Emperor. It woulden't be as easy as "many tomb worlds where purged", yes the 2nd coming of the Emperor would lead the Imperium into a new age but that dosen't mean that they would just steamroll over any and everything.

As someone said before there are parts of this that are very Mary Suish.

Gorechild wrote:I'm 99% sure Khorne is the Most powerful (don't have my CSM or deamons codex at work to back me up though).

I think then its Tzeentch, Nurgle and finally Slaanesh. Can you quote anything that suggests what you say? I'd be interested to look into it.

I believe Khorne is currently the most powerful. Yes Tzeentch is very powerful but if you go by the theory of their respective power is measured by acts in the human world, khorne has it. I remember reading that every war, every murder, every act of senseless violence fuels him & that seems to happen alot.

I do know tzeentch used to be the most powerful, so much so that all the other chaos gods ganged up on him. He then shattered his crystal staff (Greatly diminishing his power) and the remains were scattered throughout space/time. This was how magic came to be, each innumerable shard became a spell. - Source: Codex:Chaos Daemons, I believe it is the lore for the blue scribes.

yes, but Tzeench is the lord of change.


the Chaos Books themselves say that it is Tzeench alone who has claim over all Chaos.

Khorne is simply changing sane persons into bloodsoaked lunitics who have lost all sanity and reason.

Nurgle is simply changing frail healthy bodies into disease riddin durable bodies.

Slannesh is changing rational people into Pleasure orientated sickos.


Change is everything in Chaos.

Indeed, it is Tzeench who is responsable for the gift of Mutations and the Elevation of mortals to deamonhood.

It wouldn't be all that surprising if the Star Child, Hive Mind and the outsider turned out to just be Tzeentch.

Grey Templar wrote:Change is everything.

Fixed

Everything leads to change and empowers the Changer of Ways.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:4. It woulden't be as easy as you make it out to be to remake the Legions. Especially given that the Imperium is so taxed

might be hard to make space marine legions, but he could make legions of agumented super humans, the emperor made his armys out of the resourses available to him in the sol system, so i think its entirely possible even if the rest of the IoM is at war

great story , i like your take on things... from the dark age to the age of light

@OP: A bit tyranid heavy your take on the next 10.000 years of 40k.

The problem with nids winning is as said they make worlds uninhabitable thus reducing the amount of:
- planets/systems to retake in a war.
- planets/systems to grow new races.
- planets/systems close enough to keep Imperia united.

I think GW really needs to counter the nid-fluff. Otherwise, any advance in time has to include a vast alliance of most of the races and kicking the nids out.
An option would be the rise of the Necrons. They could end the nid menace with 'drive by shooting' of the nid fleets.

I also would like to question the idea of a given order of power of chaos. The chaos demons dex seems clear to state the power of any chaos "god" is waxing and waning and usually all the other chaos"gods" unite if one becomes too strong. So any list may no longer be true when posted => you know change

it's missing the part where tyranid hit peak biomass.

The tyranid only expand as much as the resources they can gather. The larger the hive fleets get, the more they need overhead to maintain their systems. Eventually, they will eat so many planets that it costs the hive fleet more to eat another planet than the energy they gain in return from eating said planet.

Tyranid will go extinct on their own, without any help from anyone else. Of course, the fact that everybody who faces off against them always pours all of their energy into defeating them (they're even less popular than the imperium, as far as xenos are concerned), it's likely they'll get wiped out before they utterly eat everything.

To carry on with the theme, GW has a tendency to give Codex armies a fluff 'boost' if you will. Orks if united could conquer the galaxy and totally impose broken english on everyone. Tau advance at an uparalleled rate and are guided by a mysterious compelling force. Necrons are awakening in HUUUUUGE numbers and ZOMG hate life! Gigantic Tyranid hive fleets are only small scout forces of UBERHUGE hive fleet of DEATH.
Take it all with a 50lb bag of rocksalt.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The power of Chaos comes from the Imperial human population, so the harder the IoM is hit, the weaker the Chaos armies will be.

Arguably, this is becuase the Imperium is the largest and single most populous race in the galaxy. Not due to the fact that they're human. Although, given all the orks hanging around, you'd figure that Khorne would be at the top of the food chain? Regardless, lifeless planets in the wake of tyranids don't leave much emotion to feed off.

As I understand it, only humans and space elves give off the kind of psychic waves that creates Chaos.

I understand that Space Elves give off more, in terms of psychic waves, but I honestly assumed that there was nothing special regarding humanity. If you were to replace them with any other sentient species you'd likely have the same result over time. In fact, given time I think the Tau may develop a psychic presence as well.