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Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Joey wrote:Intelligence is a prequisite for power in the mage class, the distinction is irrelevant.
Why wouldn't you try to make your charector as powerful as possible? That seems odd.

Well, for instance, when I make a character, I tend to have a few things in mind. While I try to keep his "main" attribute high, I then look at the "skill checks" he may be called upon, and look at what role he has in the party in relation to those, and base my attributes with that. I typically avoid having any one attribute at the racial minimum for that character (for instance, if I make a half-Orc, whose base INT is 8, I make sure that it is at least a 10, so that I don't get the penalty in INT)

IMO, Min-Maxing is where I would make a character and deliberately leave an attribute at that bare minimum in order to have a better "top" attribute

It'd also give you more skill points, iirc. Though difference between 8 and 10 I can't remember.
Still it'd probably be better off in STR or CON.

Yeah if you want to make a more powerful character it's better in STR or CON but if you're trying to make a balanced or roleplay focused character then his technique is fine.

Trying to make the most powerful character possible by minimising some stats and maximising others is pretty much how min/maxing is defined.

corpsesarefun wrote:Yeah if you want to make a more powerful character it's better in STR or CON but if you're trying to make a balanced or roleplay focused character then his technique is fine.

Trying to make the most powerful character possible by minimising some stats and maximising others is pretty much how min/maxing is defined.

So it's a pejorative for specialization?

Extreme specialisation to make it easier to win, yeah.

If you're creating a character who has low Int and high Strength because they're a Barbarian, and you want to roleplay them as someone who thinks with their muscles and bulls through obstacles even when they shouldn't, that's fine. If you're creating a character with those stats because Strength is the primary fighting stat and the party already has a Wizard with high Intelligence, so you don't need that, it's MinMaxing. It's somewhat tame minmaxing, that pretty much all players do to some extent, but it's there. It's all a matter of reason, and how you end up playing the character that you've created, as well as the interactions between the given stats and the class. If someone made a character that was really high Con and Str, with low Int, Wiz and Cha, but that character was a wizard, well, that wouldn't be min-maxing. If a person used a Flaw system to get better stats or more feats, but the 'Flaws' they took were Double Amputee and Hydrophobia, it's not min-maxxing. If, however, they took No Tongue (being mute and having no sense of taste) and Unable to Sing, that could be min-maxing, because unless they're playing a Bard or other magic using class, those aren't big issues in a normal RPG campaign. And even as a Bard or Wizard or Sorc, there's ways around those 'penalties' that aren't that difficult, such as a Bard specializing in an instrument or dance, or Mages using Silent Spell metamagics.

I decided to make a character that I STRICTLY roll play with. And I modeled him after Robin Hood. So furs, and arrows and thats pretty much it. I decided that I will make my money not from stealing though (mainly since everyone is pretty much poor in this game) instead Ill hunt game and sell pelts and make armors and sell those. Its been a real fun time tracking down Elk/Deer and the like and hunting them. Ive also beeing stopping into the Inns for drink on occasion and even been konwn to chop wood from time to time. So far Im making pretty good money doing this, Ive currently just over 6k and Im a lvl12 from hunting and stalking and killing the random bandit.

Have to say, Im really enjoying this character

KingCracker wrote:I decided to make a character that I STRICTLY roll play with. And I modeled him after Robin Hood. So furs, and arrows and thats pretty much it. I decided that I will make my money not from stealing though (mainly since everyone is pretty much poor in this game) instead Ill hunt game and sell pelts and make armors and sell those. Its been a real fun time tracking down Elk/Deer and the like and hunting them. Ive also beeing stopping into the Inns for drink on occasion and even been konwn to chop wood from time to time. So far Im making pretty good money doing this, Ive currently just over 6k and Im a lvl12 from hunting and stalking and killing the random bandit.

Have to say, Im really enjoying this character

You know that there are random enounters with rich gits? Like that lord on a horse.

Yes, I know, Im sure Ill stick an arrow into their faces and rob them I should of said my character is loosely based on Robin Hood. Not really into the steal from the rich give to the poor type. Im mostly out there tracking and hunting. Its been a blast just exploring the vast that is Skyrim

I've taken to everytime someone says "...then I took an arrow to the knee" I'll whip out my Nightingale bow and shoot them in the knee

KingCracker wrote:Yes, I know, Im sure Ill stick an arrow into their faces and rob them I should of said my character is loosely based on Robin Hood. Not really into the steal from the rich give to the poor type. Im mostly out there tracking and hunting. Its been a blast just exploring the vast that is Skyrim

I used to explore Skyrim, but then I realized that there are too many dragons in Skyrim and that whenever I run away from them I run into a bear, or a bandit camp, or a giant camp, or sometimes if I'm extra lucky another dragon. One time I fought an elder dragon and a blood dragon at once.

Yea I remedied that, I never started the whiterun quest And Ive been staying away from those dragon lairs or whatever the hell they are called. So far, lvl15, and no dragons


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Grey Templar wrote:I've taken to everytime someone says "...then I took an arrow to the knee" I'll whip out my Nightingale bow and shoot them in the knee

With my assassin, Id just slit their throats for speaking those words. Somehow, someway, Im balancing out the Universe

The only way to balance the Skyrim universe is to destroy all bows and arrows and then remove all knowledge of archery from the galaxy. Either that or remove everyone's knees.

Facepalm when someone you know thinks they have found a cool glitch. Only for it to be the oghma infinum.

KingCracker wrote:Yea I remedied that, I never started the whiterun quest And Ive been staying away from those dragon lairs or whatever the hell they are called. So far, lvl15, and no dragons

Yes that's the thing to do, if you don't start doing the main quest line then no dragons show up. It's kind of possible to live life as just a normal citizen in Skyrim without ever realising you are the Dragonborn.

So far, no clue Im half dragon, and I wont lie, its been great. Im thinking about starting a story in the RPG section of this character. Thinking kindda like hes writing in his journal of his adventures. I went towards whiterun, and then just went west for days hunting and tracking. Ive almost talked myself into doing the journal thing on here.



Also, anyone know if I find a shack in the middle of no where, and put my own items in the barrels and so on, would they stay there? Because I dont own a house, and Im wanting to find a shack out in the wilds to call my own, but I dont want to start dropping my stuff there and on the shelves and find out later that oh darn that thing I was saving, is now gone.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Containers#Safe_Containers

Safe Containers

Containers in purchased or rewarded homes are almost always "safe".

The wardrobe in Riverside Shack.

The end table located in the Alchemist's Shack.

The Apothecary's Satchel located in the cellar of Anise's Cabin.

Containers in Delphine's secret room in the Sleeping Giant Inn, Riverwood.

The chest outside in front of High Hrothgar where you put Klimmek's Supplies

The contents of traditional containers will reset within a specific period of time; making them useful only for short term storage. Some containers never reset however, and are therefore considered safe for long term storage.

You'll want to wait around for a while and make sure nobody else lives there. If they do, you could kill them and claim it for yourself, but who knows.

Nobody lives in the Alchemist's Shack AFAIK, but there's a bear lair nearby, and a scripted mob further up the road towards Ivarstead you might want to be careful of.

Yeah, the wiki page lists it as a good home base:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Alchemist%27s_Shack

Aww perfect! Its even close to one of my hunting areas. I hunted all the way up to Solitude and decided to join the Legion, some of the missions feel a bit like scouting so I figured why not .

corpsesarefun wrote:WoW did a LOT to popularise min/maxing though.

my friend wont level up his guy in skyrim because he wants to be a twink

twink?

All I got out of that was a derogatory term for gay folk.

Twink is often used as a term to describe a 'powergamer' or Min-Maxer, I believe. I've heard it used that way before, anyhow.

I only heard him and his brother use it as a WoW term for REALLY low levels (2-3) who had all the best gear possible at that level and have it all enchanted and crap

corpsesarefun wrote:All I got out of that was a derogatory term for gay folk.

Just an FYI, when you post all proper like that, I read that like you have that typical polite British sounding voice, and I laugh.




So he basically is a LVL1 with maxed out skills and badass enchanted armor? Am I reading this right?

Except he can't enchant because he hasn't leveled up

corpsesarefun wrote:All I got out of that was a derogatory term for gay folk.

Twink isn't derogatory, it's a slang descriptor. I think it's the opposite of 'bear'.



Why the feth do I know that?

Aye in WoW twink is the term of a player who keeps a character at a PvP lower brackets, and pretty much overloads it with the best gear, items and enchants, that before certain updates, where insanely above their level. Such as, until the change of making leg enchancements from Leatherworking level based, you'd have lvl 19's with lvl 70 stat bonues.

They then go in and dominate the hell out of the pvp scene, and made it a nightmare for folks pvping as they level through the game.

Brackets changed about a year and ahlf ago though, so there was no more ten level gaps in the brackets. This means you don't tend to get twinks one shotting folks anymore, hence a fair few stopped doing it.

KingCracker wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:All I got out of that was a derogatory term for gay folk.

Just an FYI, when you post all proper like that, I read that like you have that typical polite British sounding voice, and I laugh.

So he basically is a LVL1 with maxed out skills and badass enchanted armor? Am I reading this right?

I do.

When drunk I slip into a bit of a west (actually south) yorkshire accent though.