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I still can't believe Disney (a big corporation) would go with the angle that the Empire actually made things better in some ways. I could imagine them letting corporations have free reign compared to the staid republic era generating a lot of wealth for core worlds and elites (just like our world), cheaper food and cheap standardised gear (than the more bespoke Republic era) and by having big centralised budgets drive research and development in the way the republic never could (like the US post WW2). Yes their are less personal freedoms, but the (human) population of the worlds that matter are actually getting something for it.

As to this series in particular they did a far better job of drawing the average viewer in at the start, establish the character with his actions to cover up the crime, establish the rebellion as having no qualms about recruiting such people (ends justify means), showing who has the power on a world and colouring in the world better (such as the interaction about park and ride fees).

I remain hopeful it won't descend into big magic cloaks and cross eyed baddies that ensure you can walk through a hundred of them and not get hit... the shoot out showing an awful lot of shooting and not much hitting by the goodies has me somewhat hopeful. Lets hope he channels Rogue one (fight the empire in a stand up battle and lose) and the start of new hope (the stormtroopers are actually accurate in that engagement) and not the more recent clownforce guff.


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 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
About the civvies…

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It would be interesting to see the Corporate Security Sergeant be right about it just being a form of posturing designed to intimidate them. It would be a nice change for the villains to be more competent. Although the single Corporate pilot to get a shuttle off the ground was pretty incompetent… as was the idea of leaving the vehicles unattended and not having active air support. So maybe I am being too optimistic here.

I was very surprised that Cassian Andor's “mother” expected the Republic to slaughter all of the kids in revenge. Not the Empire, the Republic. I can see the survivor making a mistake and shooting first without Republic troops being considered tyrannical but her concern about revenge killings says something specific about the Republic that seems different from how I have seen the Republic. I have not watched the Clone Wars series so perhaps I am missing something?


Well they might have left the shuttle secured but the local crews with their knowledge just unlocked it... Not having air support up, why would you bother in a simple smash and grab with 12 guys to catch 1?

Also at that point the republic has fought a vicious war for quite some time and I suspect has fought increasingly nastily, especially where non aligned groups had the temerity to kill one of their officers. They have reached a point where killing off the jedi and declaring an empire isn't met with opposition.

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Saw the three eps.

Yes please. More like this.
   
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On the crash…

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I really can’t tell if the crew were yellow skinned near-humans, or humans who’s skin had turned yellow, possibly due to plague or biological weapon?

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The_Real_Chris wrote:
 Grumpy Gnome wrote:
About the civvies…

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It would be interesting to see the Corporate Security Sergeant be right about it just being a form of posturing designed to intimidate them. It would be a nice change for the villains to be more competent. Although the single Corporate pilot to get a shuttle off the ground was pretty incompetent… as was the idea of leaving the vehicles unattended and not having active air support. So maybe I am being too optimistic here.

I was very surprised that Cassian Andor's “mother” expected the Republic to slaughter all of the kids in revenge. Not the Empire, the Republic. I can see the survivor making a mistake and shooting first without Republic troops being considered tyrannical but her concern about revenge killings says something specific about the Republic that seems different from how I have seen the Republic. I have not watched the Clone Wars series so perhaps I am missing something?


Well they might have left the shuttle secured but the local crews with their knowledge just unlocked it... Not having air support up, why would you bother in a simple smash and grab with 12 guys to catch 1?

Also at that point the republic has fought a vicious war for quite some time and I suspect has fought increasingly nastily, especially where non aligned groups had the temerity to kill one of their officers. They have reached a point where killing off the jedi and declaring an empire isn't met with opposition.


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I don't have a problem with the security force leaving their shuttles locked but unattended. Presumably they have no history of uprisings in their system, and for all they know they're going after a lone murderer. They would expect citizens to respect the law. And if not that, they'd expect them to respect the law, or else. Either way, the idea of actual action against the authorities was not a real concern among them until people started banging metal pipes, at which point it they had long left behind their shuttles. Even then they were mostly proven right and nothing came of it, except one guy taking action.

That's worth noting about the shuttle incident. It wasn't the populace or a crew fighting back, it was one guy who tried to help his buddy. Which, when you look at it, was a pretty stupid idea. If they had apprehended Cassian as planned and happened to put him on that shuttle, dude would have killed his own friend. Not the best plan, but not something I'd criticize either. He hardly had time to think his actions through.


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On the crash…

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I really can’t tell if the crew were yellow skinned near-humans, or humans who’s skin had turned yellow, possibly due to plague or biological weapon?


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I wondered about that, but in hindsight the next thing I said as the scene progressed was, "don't go into the yellow cloud. Yellow cloud bad." Combined with the comments of the scavengers I'm leaning towards chemical agent having bad effects on humans.

I'm not going to watch that again to do the detective work (at least not now), but I wonder if that wasn't Seppies in spite of the badges but Republic black ops trying to pull something dodgy with a false flag chemical attack. They got found out, shot down and the scavengers expect a Republic clean up force that tries to keep that little episode under wraps.

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Yeah, my assumption is those had been normal human dudes.

 
   
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If they aren't then the make up department needs a refresher. I had the same thought of yellow or human till you could see inside their ears and sometimes their necks normal skin colors. So either make up came off/they forgot the ears OR human.

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 Hulksmash wrote:
If they aren't then the make up department needs a refresher. I had the same thought of yellow or human till you could see inside their ears and sometimes their necks normal skin colors. So either make up came off/they forgot the ears OR human.


Well don’t forget the Wookie feet and Trandoshan forearms from Boba Fett. Their alien costuming can get pretty lazy.

 
   
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They're meant to be humans. They're all wearing gas masks, there's stuff of the same colour leaking from the ship before anyone entered, and the scavengers were worried about the gas still being there.

The crash didn't kill them.

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One thing that actually weirded me out was Andor's description during the murder investigation:

"A man with dark features asking for a Kenari girl"

...dark features? I... what?
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
One thing that actually weirded me out was Andor's description during the murder investigation:

"A man with dark features asking for a Kenari girl"

...dark features? I... what?


Dark hair, dark eyes. As opposed to fair features, which would be blonde hair, blue eyes.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
One thing that actually weirded me out was Andor's description during the murder investigation:

"A man with dark features asking for a Kenari girl"

...dark features? I... what?


Dark hair, dark eyes. As opposed to fair features, which would be blonde hair, blue eyes.


You mean like a full half at least of the other characters shown in the series so far?

Also, I wouldn't call that "fair features" either. I'd call that "blonde, blue eyes". Same as with this, "dark hair". It mostly felt like they needed to say "he's hispanic" and didn't know how.

Not that he looks particularly "hispanic" either. He just looks like a guy.



I would really NOT define this guy as "a man with dark features", unless I was being more than a bit racist.

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It’s….almost as if the person working in the (illegal) brothel…the only eye witness to the two blokes following their killer….might have a vested interest in kinda cooperating with The Powers That Be, whilst being vague enough to not outright rat on a patron. As one kind of suspects both are Good For Business.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s….almost as if the person working in the (illegal) brothel…the only eye witness to the two blokes following their killer….might have a vested interest in kinda cooperating with The Powers That Be, whilst being vague enough to not outright rat on a patron. As one kind of suspects both are Good For Business.


Right, I'm sure that's it. And why when the picture came up nobody though "hey, this kid don't really look like having dark features".
   
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It’s literally a thing that refers to hair color, like how you’d have old movies refer to that clearly white dude as tall, dark, and handsome. He had black hair.

 
   
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But he does have dark features, as described above?

It doesn’t really matter what you might call them - it’s still a valid description of someone with dark hair and eyes. Especially as you pointed out, in-universe they wouldn’t use Hispanic.

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 AduroT wrote:
It’s literally a thing that refers to hair color, like how you’d have old movies refer to that clearly white dude as tall, dark, and handsome. He had black hair.


This is literally the very first time I've seen "dark features" as referring to hair and eyes, instead of skin tone and facial features. But I guess we could use it for about half the cast right?

I mean, all these would be men and women of dark features, then, right?

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But they still managed to single him out pretty easily.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But he does have dark features, as described above?

It doesn’t really matter what you might call them - it’s still a valid description of someone with dark hair and eyes. Especially as you pointed out, in-universe they wouldn’t use Hispanic.


He also don't look particularly "hispanic" either.


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Incidentally, the spanish dub says "un hombre de tez morena", which means, quite literally, "a dark skinned man".

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That's just a dub being crap. Nothing unusual there. But dark features definitely has been used to refer to hair and eye colour. Because they are features of the head and face
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's just a dub being crap. Nothing unusual there. But dark features definitely has been used to refer to hair and eye colour. Because they are features of the head and face


That's the official dub. And what "dark features" mean. You don't usually say "features" wehn talking about hair, in my experience. You talk about... you know. Features.

Without any visual aid whatsoever, if someone tells me "a man with dark features", I would most certainly not look for someone like Diego Luna, but more probably a dark skinned guy.

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Watched it last night.. me and the better half thought it was very good. I'm picking up the Blade Runner vibe someone mentioned up above. The corp security were thuggish but could be seen as just doing their job (the team leader got pissed at the guy who killed Mr friends-with-benefits) and Cassian has so far shown himself to be a serial killer.

So, what in Cassian's life has made him so callous of his friends and surrogate family that he uses, abuses and runs out on them? Is he a sociopath? A psychopath?

But more importantly, how did the town's population know how to stop drumming all at the same time?
   
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Even official dubs are usually trash. Yes? Hair is a prominent feature of the head and if you're trying to find someone hair colour, style, length and so on is a key feature.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Even official dubs are usually trash. Yes? Hair is a prominent feature of the head and if you're trying to find someone hair colour, style, length and so on is a key feature.


Are they more important than skin tone, when talking features? One would think that's usually the first definitory thing, and you'd go to hair color, style, length and so on later. Yes?

Plus, again, they're saying "dark features". Dunno about you, but when I hear "features", "hair color" is not really the first thing I think about.

Or is it that we're assuming everyone's white here, in Star Wars?

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To me, "features" dictates as eyes, nose, mouth and hair as actual features of the face and head. Oh and ears. Skin tone would be something entirely separate.

And don't try and be clever and drag race assumption into this

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
To me, "features" dictates as eyes, nose, mouth and hair as actual features of the face and head. Oh and ears. Skin tone would be something entirely separate.

And don't try and be clever and drag race assumption into this


Right, of course, This has nothing at all to do with race, surely. That's why they use it specifically to define the "hispanic" guy without saying "hispanic".

Surely.

Incidentally, about the dub, I haven't even watched the dub, I just checked it to see how it was translated, but... I'm curious now: how many dubs do you actually watch of this kind of stuff, being an english speaker? Because almost all of the Disney dubs I've watched have been absolutely flawless, regarding translation and localization.

All the impressions I got were from the original audio, just to be clear.

Anyways, it's just something that jumped at me when watching the show, and got a bit of a "what the feth" reaction from me. The show itself is quite good, so far.

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I've watched more than a considerable amount of anime dubs and then going back and rewatching the originals, it's more than abundent that stuff gets changed. Even in your own example, it's been changed from what the show said to what the dub decided to show.

Anyway, if you want to continue arguing the toss, send it in a pm and not here.
   
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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
I've watched more than a considerable amount of anime dubs and then going back and rewatching the originals, it's more than abundent that stuff gets changed. Even in your own example, it's been changed from what the show said to what the dub decided to show.

Anyway, if you want to continue arguing the toss, send it in a pm and not here.


Nah, it doesn't really matter. Let's just discuss the show. Which so far has been really good.

Loving the hammer clock guy, by the way. That was cool.

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MarkNorfolk wrote:

So, what in Cassian's life has made him so callous of his friends and surrogate family that he uses, abuses and runs out on them? Is he a sociopath? A psychopath?


I did like how they highlighted the damaged lives left in his wake.
   
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I watched the first 3 episodes last night and I have to say I absolutely loved it. So nice to have a more "mature" offering from Star Wars, that still fits perfectly as a Rogue One prequel. Weirdly, as I was watching, I kept thinking it actually reminded me of the Jason Bourne films and it turns out that's because it's directed by Tony Gillroy, who did the Bourne films....

However, my friend, who was watching it with me, lost interest very quickly and spent most of the episodes checking their phone and then couldn't follow what was going on. And I'm seeing a lot of social media posts saying they found the episodes too slow and too boring...

Which is a real shame, because I loved the fact it was a slow burn and there was actually some good time spent on world building and character introductions.

I also feel the pace is meant to show that the Rebellion didn't just happen overnight, and as one of the antagonists states, the feelings of rebellion are slowly fomenting and will eventually boil over.

I just hope the negative criticism doesn't spoil the chances of similar, more thoughtful/mature, Star Wars content.

Also - during the Kenari flashback scenes - I didn't have any subtitles, so didn't know what was being said, but could still follow along - should there have been subtitles?

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StraightSilver wrote:
Also - during the Kenari flashback scenes - I didn't have any subtitles, so didn't know what was being said, but could still follow along - should there have been subtitles?


I don't think so, no. Not that it needs it either.
   
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Cool, I didn't think so but I've had issues with Disney+ before where you have to switch on closed captions/subtitles and wasn't sure if my settings were wrong.

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StraightSilver wrote:
I watched the first 3 episodes last night and I have to say I absolutely loved it. So nice to have a more "mature" offering from Star Wars, that still fits perfectly as a Rogue One prequel. Weirdly, as I was watching, I kept thinking it actually reminded me of the Jason Bourne films and it turns out that's because it's directed by Tony Gillroy, who did the Bourne films....

However, my friend, who was watching it with me, lost interest very quickly and spent most of the episodes checking their phone and then couldn't follow what was going on. And I'm seeing a lot of social media posts saying they found the episodes too slow and too boring...

Which is a real shame, because I loved the fact it was a slow burn and there was actually some good time spent on world building and character introductions.

I also feel the pace is meant to show that the Rebellion didn't just happen overnight, and as one of the antagonists states, the feelings of rebellion are slowly fomenting and will eventually boil over.

I just hope the negative criticism doesn't spoil the chances of similar, more thoughtful/mature, Star Wars content.

Also - during the Kenari flashback scenes - I didn't have any subtitles, so didn't know what was being said, but could still follow along - should there have been subtitles?


I quite agree. The reason I care so much, that I am so vocal, is that I want to see more things I enjoy being made. And this show I enjoy.

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