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I always have to turn the dang subtitles off. Mine always defaults to turning on Chinese subtitles for some reason.

But yes, dark features means hair and eyes. It isn’t a terribly Commonly used description, but just because You haven’t heard it before doesn’t mean it’s incorrect.

As far as how they singled in on Cass, it wasn’t that vague description, but also his planet of origin, and someone who knew his secret origin called them and ratted him out.

 
   
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Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I certainly hope that the decision makers at Disney and Lucasfilm don't think that a fanbase is so homogeneous that it is easily caught with overly narrow and focused stories and forego catering to different subsets of the fanbase with a diverse offering because of that. They've got the laser sword crowd hooked, but why wouldn't they attempt to expand from there?

But yeah, just in case that's a vain hope, I also hope Andor is a commercial success because I'd like more, at least based on what I've seen so far.

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's just a dub being crap. Nothing unusual there. But dark features definitely has been used to refer to hair and eye colour. Because they are features of the head and face


That's the official dub. And what "dark features" mean. You don't usually say "features" wehn talking about hair, in my experience. You talk about... you know. Features.

Without any visual aid whatsoever, if someone tells me "a man with dark features", I would most certainly not look for someone like Diego Luna, but more probably a dark skinned guy.


Not trying to drag this discussion back up, but as an FYI, if you want to denote skin color, the word you're looking for is complexion. Feature(s), as noted, is for other stuff.

Dark features, light/fair complexion is a suitable description of Cassian/Diego Luna.

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Loving the hammer clock guy, by the way. That was cool.


Yeah, I enjoyed watching that.

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Oh, yeah, really enjoyed the tower bell. I do wish it had some more variance in tone, or we were given a longer playing of it to hear more of it.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Oh, yeah, really enjoyed the tower bell. I do wish it had some more variance in tone, or we were given a longer playing of it to hear more of it.


I agree. So much about the bell ringer is awesome… except the sound made.

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Bell Ringer Guy seems to be very popular on the internet right now, that's for sure. Good for him, he loves what he do.

I'll echo the sentiment that it's nice to see Star Wars trying to do a darker, grittier story. I've said before thats why I've been raving about those books, but as they have more shows running in parallel I think it's a great idea they explore that here.

Now give me a fighter pilot show!

   
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However, my friend, who was watching it with me, lost interest very quickly and spent most of the episodes checking their phone and then couldn't follow what was going on. And I'm seeing a lot of social media posts saying they found the episodes too slow and too boring...

Which is a real shame, because I loved the fact it was a slow burn and there was actually some good time spent on world building and character introductions.


That is fascinating. Because most of the streaming stuff has the most plodding slow plot. It should be a meme. Yet here I thought this show trotted briskly along. Is this us being hooked and then the pace not mattering too much? I know a lot of people thought Rogue 1 was slow, yet it fitted the plot and pacing of a 1970's war movie pretty accurately and as that was what I grew up watching I never noticed.

Hope it doesn't end up being a kind of fan niche and gets wide appeal and views, because selfishly I quite like Star Wars and it is hard too when they make those other films and bad TV series.
   
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 Captain Joystick wrote:
Bell Ringer Guy seems to be very popular on the internet right now, that's for sure. Good for him, he loves what he do.

I'll echo the sentiment that it's nice to see Star Wars trying to do a darker, grittier story. I've said before thats why I've been raving about those books, but as they have more shows running in parallel I think it's a great idea they explore that here.

Now give me a fighter pilot show!


We could have a series on Han Solo’s time in Tie Fighter pilot academy!

 
   
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To my surprise, I quite liked Andor.

I hate R1. It’s a very, very good looking movie with tissue-thin characters. This show has the great aesthetics of R1 with characters that, so far, are much more interesting and well-developed.

In the first three episodes, I’d say the show is more successful in showing us the genesis of an Imperial fanatic than a Rebel radical.

   
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I don't hate R1 but I didn't really find any of the characters particularly compelling. It's a movie I'm happy to skip over everything prior to act 3.

This though... this is really good stuff. Cue, Kylo more meme please.
   
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Rewatching Andor, ready for the next episode tomorrow.

Spoiler:
What are we thinking of his overall origins?

From the flashbacks, we see the world already seemingly abandoned - though it’s mentioned there was an Imperial mining accident, despite the flashbacks seemingly being during the Clone War era.

Then there’s his people. We didn’t see any adults, with it all seeming a bit Lord of the Flies or Mad Max 3. And the clothing doesn’t look handmade, rather adapted from what I suspect are flight suits.

So there seems to be some kind of as yet I revealed part of the overall back story.

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I would imagine for the general population various areas would have been calling the militarised, centralised republic an Empire long before they made the formal declaration, and certainly now a lot of old republic things would be referred to as Imperial, just because fascist empires like to give out a timeless vibe.

As for R1 characters - yes, agree. But then for me they were meant to be stereotypes, not fleshed out, as that is pretty much the War film genre. (For the ultimate expression of this watch the dirty dozen - all stereotypes but so well done you don't question the wafer thin plotting for them and go with the flow.)
   
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Just finished my second view of the first three episodes. Happy to say it stands up to a second viewing.

I’m again struck by its carefully subdued tone. The people of Ferrix feel trapped, and somewhat hopeless.

The drumming/alarm sounding makes sense to me, as I take it as less “to arms, to arms”, and more “this could be bad, everyone get off the street”.

Given the chimes seem to be in set places, I wonder if that’s part of the overall planning. Each drummer has their own station, likely with line of sight to hand and shops. Once they’ve seen their immediate neighbours batten down their hatches, that drummer can hide away too.

So, when all the drumming stops, Cassian feels safe in using explosives, as any friends and neighbours etc are off the street.

It could also double up as a low tech way of tracking those causing the threat as they move around. Again that would help innocents and that avoid trouble, as they’d have some idea which streets and plazas to avoid.

And so Cassian’s adoptive Mum’s cryptic “you don’t want to see what happens when it stops” was just a way to keep the security dudes on tenterhooks. They’re already acutely aware they’re badly outnumbered. And that alarm could be a “get the militia, the redcoats are here” type thing.

It’s also possible eyes were watching when the doofus shot the Not-Owen-Lars-But-Looked-Like-Him. Because his CO didn’t order the shooting, and immediately disarmed his man and removed him from the field? That could’ve saved lives, proving the shooting an act of nerves and misfortune over malevolence and bullying.

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The chimes scene was really well done, I felt the fear of the security dudes realizing the whole town was against them.

 
   
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Definitely. I think it worked really well for more dedicated SW fans, as it played on our expectations (Rebels/Partisans bursting into action in 3…2…1…………..1….1? Oh….)

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s also possible eyes were watching when the doofus shot the Not-Owen-Lars-But-Looked-Like-Him. Because his CO didn’t order the shooting, and immediately disarmed his man and removed him from the field? That could’ve saved lives, proving the shooting an act of nerves and misfortune over malevolence and bullying.

I actually liked to see this, as it's something you don't usually see in this kind of stuff.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s also possible eyes were watching when the doofus shot the Not-Owen-Lars-But-Looked-Like-Him. Because his CO didn’t order the shooting, and immediately disarmed his man and removed him from the field? That could’ve saved lives, proving the shooting an act of nerves and misfortune over malevolence and bullying.

I actually liked to see this, as it's something you don't usually see in this kind of stuff.


I quite agree. When showrunners talk about “subverting expectations” it too often means “something I will not like”. In this case, both in how the shooting was handled as well as nothing appearing to happen (yet) from the banging community alarm, I was pleasantly surprised by how my expectations were subverted.

And yes Mad Doc Grotsnik…
Spoiler:
I agree with your observations on the Lord of the Flies take on young Cassian. I look forward to seeing that further explored.

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I think it also helps build the SW Universe, as we see some level of oppression, a populace somewhat chaffing under it, but lacking a spark to really tackle it.

Lothal had Kanan’s cell. Jedha at least latterly had Saw’s cell, and so on and so forth.

But Ferrix? I got the distinct feel they wanted to fight back, but dare not risk it, because that was just a Security Patrol. And knowledge of Cassian’s kills/murders (POV) would be widespread, so at least some assumption they had legitimate business.

There must be hundreds of planets like Ferrix. A miserable, downtrodden population, but without that final spark to actually rise up and do something.

Indeed, the Galaxy wouldn’t get that spark until after the Battle of Yavin, where with the dissolution of the Senate, the destruction of Alderaan and the Rebel Victory changed perceptions of The Empire, from “merely” oppressive, but trying to help to “ooer, what a bunch of evil gits”. But to see average folk chafing under the yoke? Adds to it all.

More. Please.

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Part 4.

Hey look, a reference to my cultural and ethnic background with Highland Clearences!

And they’ve absolutely nailed the look and feel of Imperial Officers, whilst injecting a level of sheer mundanity about their lives.

The overall moodiness continues, and isn’t feeling forced or strung out.

This is shaping up to be something really quite special.

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Yeah, this continues to be great.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
And they’ve absolutely nailed the look and feel of Imperial Officers, whilst injecting a level of sheer mundanity about their lives.


Spoiler:
ISB officers to boot. Being the kind of officer that's politically highly indoctrinated, it's great to see the pettiness at ISB. Good stuff.

Pretty fun to see Mon Mothma having to deal with a bored spouse, too. Like she hasn't enough real problems.

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A rather sudden change from the first three episodes in setting. Entirely new places, almost entirely new peoples, really makes the first three feel like a… prologue? Definitely like the first three were very much intended to be viewed in one go right from the start.

 
   
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Yeah. They set up some mysteries, which are needed because Andor just sort of Was in Rogue One.


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I suspect that Andor is set up like the later seasons of Clone Wars and relies heavily on arcs. As a twelve episode season, perhaps even three episodes per arc. The show has two seasons to get in the five years from its beginning to Rogue One, so the idea of showing highlight events over multiple episodes and then skipping to the next one makes sense. Not that there was much of a skip yet, but as an origin story they'd have to spent a good amount of time on the beginning.

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That’s true.

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*show proceeds to pepper in tons of Easter Eggs*

I mean, first onscreen mention of the Rakata for one.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Part 4.

Hey look, a reference to my cultural and ethnic background with Highland Clearences!

Literally the first thought in my head.

The AKs are super annoying though. Even taking the clip out and sticking a silly scope on them would make them less obvious as AKs.

Also, Clem as Cassian's fake name just brought Clem Fandango from Toast of London into my head.

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The AKs are super annoying though. Even taking the clip out and sticking a silly scope on them would make them less obvious as AKs.



I agree. Star Wars has such a good history with taking real life guns and greebling them so they look sci-fi but plausible - the original's Sterlings, Mausers and Lewis guns looked so good. I kind of get why they used them - nothing says insurgent like an AK after all - but I'd have liked to see some sort of dressing to make them slightly less mundane.

Other than that though another excellent episode.
   
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I’m guessing they’re actual Slug Throwers rather than blasters?

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Hells horses that is a lot of easter eggs.
   
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So, let’s talk spoilers…

Spoiler:
Main point of interest for me would be the ISB muscling in entirely on Ferrix and seemingly it’s system, with the Officers we met last week being unceremoniously dumped.

I’m wondering how that’s gonna shake out in the end. The senior guy (who wasn’t directly involved) strikes me as one to maybe keep an eye on. Captain Itsallmyfault? Went home to his Mum, seemingly in disgrace. Might he fall into the trope of Imperial Defector here? Certainly given his stickler nature, if the Imperials get proper heavy handed with the locals.

Any predictions on how badly Cassian’s crew are going to botch things?

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I bet Cass’ crew actually pulls it off, probably not a flawless victory, but a win nonetheless. They need that big win to start setting up the actionable intel that establishes the pattern of incidents required by Officer Stop-Quoting-The-Manual. Officer Mom’s-Basement will get pulled in by Officer Ladder-Climber for a chance at revenge because he had eyes on the scene when the box incident went down. I don’t think he’ll go defector too easily, given he started out wanting Justice for slain officers, and only saw Cass kill yet more officers when they went to arrest him, with locals who were hostile to his authority. I feel he’s more likely to see the Empire’s methods as necessary to maintain order.

 
   
 
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