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Just list the 3 in units you reckon are the most OP in the entirety of NON-Apocalypse 40k. Preferably in Decending Order of Cheesiness

Mine are

Mephiston
Eldrad
Soulgrinder

Of all the units ive played against these are the worst (in terms of Power over Points)

Daemon Princes have a pretty big lead on everything else.

Thunderwolf calvary
Eldrad
Ig in general

Zid wrote:Thunderwolf calvary
Eldrad
Ig in general

Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf mount /w SS and Saga of the Bear is absurdly powerful and FAST.

Zid wrote:Thunderwolf calvary
Eldrad
Ig in general

What about Ogryn, Stormtroopers, Bastonne, Pask, Penal Legion, Armored Sentinels, Priests and TechPriests?

Although i agree they can do some horrible stuff

Well.. Mine is the following with reasons

1 - Wraithlords
There is nothing i hate more than a eldar player fielding 3 Wraithlords... Insane T and abusive S can easily crush anything they touch.

2 - Incubi
Power Armor Dark Eldar with extra S power weapons, with the ability to gain a boatload of USRs? If it wasn't for their low T they would had been no.1.

3 - Abbadon
Yes... Everybody fears him... And for good reasons. For his points.. You get a demi-god of close combat with the ability to gain more than +10 attacks at high S and a large amount of durability.

Superscope wrote:Well.. Mine is the following with reasons

1 - Wraithlords
There is nothing i hate more than a eldar player fielding 3 Wraithlords... Insane T and abusive S can easily crush anything they touch.

2 - Incubi
Power Armor Dark Eldar with extra S power weapons, with the ability to gain a boatload of USRs? If it wasn't for their low T they would had been no.1.

3 - Abbadon
Yes... Everybody fears him... And for good reasons. For his points.. You get a demi-god of close combat with the ability to gain more than +10 attacks at high S and a large amount of durability.

I agree with the first two, but I've seen Abbadon punch himself in the face too many times to consider him OP.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Kharn yet. For his points, he is a complete beast.

Mephiston

Thunderwolf Cavalry (and variations thereof)

Valkyrie

1. Mephiston
on boxing day my LGS held this game called 'The Boxing Day Boxing Match'
Only single model units could be used. Mephiston won 10+ rounds before being taken out by Logan (who was taken out by eldrad, who was taken out by mephiston)

2. Fabius Bile
First of all, 6 (7 on the charge) str 5 instant death causing attack is just OP in my opinion, he would be first if the were power weapon attacks, though. He has FNP An assualt 3 poisoned 2+ gun, and can turn CSM units into fearless beasts with either +1 or 2 strength at the cost of 3pts per model

3. Lucius the Eternal
For each any save he passes in close combat, the enemy gets hit with a str 4 hit that ignores amour saves
Not only that, but he can get rid of 1 of the attacks of each enemy in base contact with him. And an I6 power weapon with 4 attacks (5 on the charge(remember, hes has a combat weapon and power weapon)) is nothing to laugh at...


There, thats what think (wow! one BA and 2 CSMs)

M.K

Thunderwolf Cavalry
-I actually had someone at the club I go to while at University try to claim that they were a balanced unit.
With the crazy amount of raw power they provide, and the wound-allocation shenanigans that were once a hallmark of Nobz, they take everything that everyone else does, and do it better. It's absurd.

Longfangs
-Yeah. Once again, absurd.

I don't really have anything that just jumps out at me after those two. I mean, the Swarm Lord scares the gak out of me, but I think he's also a fairly balanced character concerning point cost and mobility. Paroxism (probably spelling that wrong) makes me quiver in my boots, but then again, I guess that's what it's for.
Mephiston is in the same league, but his lack of an invulnerable save and inability to join a unit make him far a controllable threat.

There's a lot of horribly balanced stuff out there, but none of it really jumps out like TWC and Longfangs do.

Its funny some of the different opinions people have, i've heard plenty of people say Wraithlords are rubbish

Anyway:

Hydras.... I didn't realise they had a Heavy Bolter on top of there Autocannons, and i already thought they were really good

Mephiston..... I didn't think he was that good, but after seeing him in action a couple of times, he really really is.

Third is hard, it could be Long Fangs, TWC, Eldrad etc.... But from my personal experiances

Abaddon.... I used to use him a lot (was probably my most consistent part of my list, i was always changing it) And although he can hit himself (never happened that often...) he can just wipe units away on his own, and when you put a unit with him, you essentially have two uber units of death

My 3 that get me in an angry hate knot.

1. Ork Nobz and Painboy on Bikes - Nigh UNKILLABLE, UNKILLABLE!!! Talk of successful rerolled +4 saves up one's rear end against everything

2. Pre-FAQ Doom of Malan'tai - This thing made me see my nightmare. I saw whole squads dieing on my turn only to move them to be killed on the next

3.Podding Dreadnoughts - 1st turn assaults and having situations that needed useless units as bubble wrap make me a sad panda

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:1. Ork Nobz and Painboy on Bikes - Nigh UNKILLABLE, UNKILLABLE!!! Talk of successful rerolled +4 saves up one's rear end against everything

2. Pre-FAQ Doom of Malan'tai - This thing made me see my nightmare. I saw whole squads dieing on my turn only to move them to be killed on the next

I agree with these two. Especially when the Doom comes in via mycetic spore and the bugger is cheap as chips.

As a third I'd also add in Combined IG squads with Heavy Weapons (lascannons especially). Stick them with a commissar and put them in cover you will find NOTHING that can move them. (Aside from maybe a Dreadnought that assualts right after deepstriking... )

Some good contenders so far. Mine would be:

1 - Sanguinary Priests (6" apothecarys,wtf?)

2 - Bjorn.....

3 - Death Company Dreadnoughts (with blood claws)

1) Long Fangs. They're not really overpower, just dramatically undercosted (see SM devs released prior, and BA devs released after, for evidence that GW recognizes that). They also can take five heavies instead of four, have more rules, and base LD9. Combine that with the Meta killer aspect of that much S8 shooting, and you've got the best unit in 40k right now.

2) Vendetta. #2 only because of how thoroughly #1 owns it. Dirt cheap for three accurate mobile lascanons. plus cargo. Plus scout. Plus a 4+ cover on turn 1 thanks to the FAQ.

3) SM Assault Termies (with TH/SS). Only this low because they are spendy and require transport. The answer to nearly every killer unit mentioned in this thread (Nobs/Nob bikers, Mephiston, Wraithlords, etc)

1) Vendettas... need i say more?
2) Long Fangs, 150 points for 4-5 missles. YAY
3) Sanguinary Priests, 6" bubble of doom

Pretty much half the SW book. How come that the SW get counter-attack and acute senses, and yet cost only as much as (in some cases *coughLongFangscough* LESS than) their vanilla counterparts, the exception being their terminators?

And then there's the Thunderwolf Cavalry. The bane of everything in their quite large assault range.

Eldrad might be REALLY good for his points, but he isn't OP. The success of Eldrad, and indeed the entire Eldar army, depends on being at the right place at the right time, something YOU should make sure that the enemy can't do. Sure, sometimes gak hits the fan and they do get that golden opportunity, but that happens to everyone!

Special award of annoyance goes to the Sanguinor who, while not OP, is incredible annoying to get rid of when played correctly and is such a force multiplier that a BA army with him in it can go from hard to beat to "why bother?" in one turn.

1) Vendetta

2) Veteran Squads

3) Rune Priests

Nulipuli2 wrote:1) Vendettas... need i say more?
2) Long Fangs, 150 points for 4-5 missles. YAY
3) Sanguinary Priests, 6" bubble of doom

140 points for 6 men, 5 missiles :S

Everyone loses...because for the points...no one mentioned........

MARLBORO!!!!

Mephiston and Abaddon are both over 200 points...Marlboro is only what....55? I would take 4 Marlboro's over Mephiston or Abaddon any day of the week.

Shenra wrote:Everyone loses...because for the points...no one mentioned........

MARLBORO!!!!

Mephiston and Abaddon are both over 200 points...Marlboro is only what....55? I would take 4 Marlboro's over Mephiston or Abaddon any day of the week.

The only use Marbo has is that he's a demo pack delivery system... That's about it.... He comes with tons more.... If he can survive the painful retalition that comes his way.

Shenra wrote:Everyone loses...because for the points...no one mentioned........

MARLBORO!!!!

Mephiston and Abaddon are both over 200 points...Marlboro is only what....55? I would take 4 Marlboro's over Mephiston or Abaddon any day of the week.

That's Marbo! Marlboros will kill you too, only not quite as fast

I'd say mine:
1. Vendetta gunships - for thirty points more than a standard Valkyrie, they're completely ludicrous. I don't see how 3 twin linked lascannons is 30 points.

2. I still think Lash of Submission is the dirtiest and least sportsmanlike power in the game. Although it gets nullified by mechanized armies, I've had my company command squad pulled 12" out from my line and assaulted on turn 1 by a Slaanesh prince.

3. Long Fangs for the points cost are shockingly good. I wouldn't exactly say overpowered, but they're undercosted.

Honestly I'm surprised at some of the units that I see on peoples lists.

Wraithlords aren't scary at all. If you don't have S8 AP3 shooting to handle them, then how do handle tanks? They are rubbish in assault and slow to get their.
Daemon prices, well some builds are pretty scary, none of the Chaos daemons ones are that bad, and the lash and warptime princes are kinda 4th ed in terms of quality...
Soul grinders... If you can't handl AV 13 huge models at range then you should probably rethink your list.
Long fang, at the end of the day the are just dev squads with an extra heavy weapon slot and the ability to split fire (something that tau does too, but with rail guns)
Vendettas, they are AV 12. If you can't take out that, and don't prioritize it, you deserve the damage it does to you.

What I consider overpowered?
1. Nobs (biker and regular) and thunder wolfs. I put them in the same category since they pretty close to the same purpose and pull the same tricks (though Twolves are in a better army) Sure they soak a bunch of points, but they are really hard to kill and can do immense damage. That being said, if you can't manage to kill them, you probably need to rethink your list.
2. Null zone librarians. Really. Not a single better force multiplier out there for its points. Gives you defense against enemy powers, and allows your TH/SS termies to take out anything, including units with hard invul saves. Null zone is sometimes a dead power in some match-ups, but when you need it is is amazing, and when you don't, there is a second power to use.
3. Post FAQ Death wing. TH/SS termies that can get FNP, count as troops, AND have a cyclone missile launcher? Remains to be seen if it is actually OP, or if the rest of the army fall down too hard to be good.

I don't include special character in my list because A: they usually suck for their points, B: most of them are beat stick characters, who aren't usually a good investment. C: the utility special characters either have sucky powers, or cost too much (though Eldrad is pretty cheap for what he does, still wouldn't pay for him) D: if they don't cost too much, or don't have sucky powers, they aren't actually that abusive (though the Baron is close...)

notabot187 wrote:Honestly I'm surprised at some of the units that I see on peoples lists.
Long fang, at the end of the day the are just dev squads with an extra heavy weapon slot and the ability to split fire (something that tau does too, but with rail guns)
Vendettas, they are AV 12. If you can't take out that, and don't prioritize it, you deserve the damage it does to you.

These two aren't their for there power (at least on my list) as much as they are there for how cheap they are. Also, the Vendetta can outflank and get lascannons on your side armor at any point in the game. AV12 isn't particularly hard to destroy, but it's a potent tank hunter that can appear just about anywhere. Long Fangs are just really cheap for a solid anti tank unit.

Long fangs aren't that much cheaper. For 140 points you get 6 bodies and 5 MLs.

Regular marines for 150 get 5 bodies and 4 MLs

BA get 5 bodies and 4 MLs for 130.

1 extra ML + body for a 10 point difference isn't OP, it is a good deal for SW players, but its not broken.

So it has a mid game ability to mess with you. It gets once shot, and it should die after that. Other armies get similar capabilities, though not quite as cheap, or not as effective. Doesn't make it OP IMHO.

Marbo is rubbish


Well not rubbish, he can/should make his points back, but thats probably about it....


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notabot187 wrote:Long fangs aren't that much cheaper. For 140 points you get 6 bodies and 5 MLs.

Regular marines for 150 get 5 bodies and 4 MLs

BA get 5 bodies and 4 MLs for 130.

1 extra ML + body for a 10 point difference isn't OP, it is a good deal for SW players, but its not broken.

So it has a mid game ability to mess with you. It gets once shot, and it should die after that. Other armies get similar capabilities, though not quite as cheap, or not as effective. Doesn't make it OP IMHO.

*Split fire, counter attack and acute senses.....

rodgers37 wrote:Marbo is rubbish


Well not rubbish, he can/should make his points back, but thats probably about it....


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notabot187 wrote:Long fangs aren't that much cheaper. For 140 points you get 6 bodies and 5 MLs.

Regular marines for 150 get 5 bodies and 4 MLs

BA get 5 bodies and 4 MLs for 130.

1 extra ML + body for a 10 point difference isn't OP, it is a good deal for SW players, but its not broken.

So it has a mid game ability to mess with you. It gets once shot, and it should die after that. Other armies get similar capabilities, though not quite as cheap, or not as effective. Doesn't make it OP IMHO.

*Split fire, counter attack and acute senses.....

Counter attack is decent, but all wolves get it, and it is a CC ability in a back board edge squad. Split fire is useful, but honestly I don't see it used as often as people seem to claim (target priority and odds makes more sense to fire all at one target most of the time). Acute senses... for one turn in 1/3 missions it MIGHT be useful.

notabot187 wrote:Long fangs aren't that much cheaper. For 140 points you get 6 bodies and 5 MLs.

Regular marines for 150 get 5 bodies and 4 MLs

BA get 5 bodies and 4 MLs for 130.

1 extra ML + body for a 10 point difference isn't OP, it is a good deal for SW players, but its not broken.

So it has a mid game ability to mess with you. It gets once shot, and it should die after that. Other armies get similar capabilities, though not quite as cheap, or not as effective. Doesn't make it OP IMHO.

Even compared to BA, which get a very nice discount over basic SM, the wolves pay 10 more points to get: +1 body, +1 ML, Acute senses, LD 9 across the unit, and split fire. They also lose the signum (+1 BS to one model a turn). BA devs also have strong competition for the heavy support slots in dreadnoughts and fast predators.

It's certainly meta-game changing. Split fire and 5 MLs per squad mean you can split 15 shots over 6 targets. That can really shut down mechanized lists. It's not ridiculously over the top (because nothing in modern 40k is that dramatically OP), but when an army can spend 420pts and outshoot most armies... that's a very nice unit.

Why even post anything when clearly the most powerful warrior in all of 40k is clearly Marneus Calgar?

Mukkin'About wrote:Why even post anything when clearly the most powerful warrior in all of 40k is clearly Marneus Calgar?

Because he's as expensive as a Land Raider?