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Points wise, is the rather expensive warhound titan actually worth it, as everyone seems to think 'wow titan, it must be invincible', but I get the feeling that it is going to attract every lascannon, every melta, large vehicle weapons EVERYTHING that could cause it harm, and go down in the first few turns, exploding and killing a lot of my troops. Is this me worrying or is a titan pretty much just a large bullet magnet? And if it is worth taking, what shoud the load out be?

I don't think it would be worth bringing in an Apoc game unless you bring other priority targets...like another Warhound or a baneblade (or two). It is relatively resilient with void shields and structure points, plus it lays down a good amount of hurt for its points (compared to a baneblade). I would run it with a Turbo laser and a plasma blastgun myself.

You seem to have the wrong mind-set for apoc. Apoc is not about "worth it", it is about having huge cinematic battles with large formations, super heavies and titans.

So yes, the titan is worth it, it is really cool

And while it is being shot at by every heavy weapon your opponent has, the rest of your army is moving into position untouched.......

Titans, whenever possible. Apoc. is about badass mega-battles, and titans are as mega as you get (even if you're taking the runt of the litter, as it were).

As far as effectiveness, I can't speak from experience, but I imagine from your wording that this will be the biggest, baddest model on the table. Just remember what Dogface said - every shot fired at your Warhound is a shot NOT fired at the rest of your troops. Blast them to hell while your void shields hold and bring in the rest of your army while the enemy wets their collective pants. With a healthy dose of luck, the Warhound will weather the focused fire, allowing the rest of your army to arrive fresh and engage, leaving the Warhound, still alive and kicking, to repostion and keep blasting away.

At the OP...yeah, faced with that wouldn't you focus your fire?
Sure it's a big soak of points, however, it gives you one benefit aside from its offensive output....the ability to control your opponents shooting phase. You know it's going to be a target, and can plan accordingly to your advantage.
If it gets destroyed, hell, at least you put it on the table...and if you're smart (as Dogface, oadie, said), you can move your units freely for maximum effectiveness..and make them pay for their hubris. If it lives, they'll have to pay for that...

Like others have said, Apocalypse is not a tournament mindset, or even a winning mindset! It's about hvaing the most over the top, massive, cinematic battle you can find. Guardsmen should be dying in droves while super heavy tanks blast away at each other! Don't think of it as 'worth it' think of it as 'will this thing look cool on the table?' and with a Warhound, the answer is 'yes'.

As far as load out goes, you can decide to be a bit cruel to your opponent and give it two turbolasers....but a lot of people will frown on that. I personally run a turbolaser and plasma blast gun, but the sheer coolness factor of the Vulcan megabolter keeps drawing my attention.

I'm running one with twin inferno guns. Flame on!

Illumini wrote:You seem to have the wrong mind-set for apoc. Apoc is not about "worth it", it is about having huge cinematic battles with large formations, super heavies and titans.

So yes, the titan is worth it, it is really cool

+1

The advantage of a warhound is its augmented speed, little can keep up with it.

I would go with tubo-laser and inferno. Both weapons ignore cover and if you use the extra speed you can kill infantry or vehicles quite well.

The other guns seem good but cover is too much of an issue to me. The megabolter especially seems overrated. It can't cut down the vast swathes that template guns can.

Yeah, but it looks HELLA awesome!

And to be honest, I'd rather have an awesome looking Warhound than a ridiculouslly effective one.

Apoc, if you really want to win, is about throwing down the most Str D templates you can. If you can out Str D template your opponent, you probably win. Also someone can make them outflank, aka that tactical geniu. . . *Blam*
(Inquisition has had enough of that )

I actually played a Team Apoc game today alongside a Warhound Titan and it got blown up on Turn 3, taking out everything within an 18" radius... it was awesome lol, the coolest part about the game even though it happened to us. Titans are just plain exciting, and really add a lot to an Apoc game!

ChrisWWII wrote:Yeah, but it looks HELLA awesome!

And to be honest, I'd rather have an awesome looking Warhound than a ridiculouslly effective one.

To be honest so would I. It's just in my case that is the tubo/inferno. I just love a flamer the size of a tank. I remember someone suggesting a sororitas shadowsword with an inferno cannon on it, wish I had the money or the skill to pull that one off. Flamers are awesome.

Trickstick wrote:The advantage of a warhound is its augmented speed, little can keep up with it.

I've never understood this. Everything of comparable class rocks 72+" range weapons. Sure you can move, but where to and why?

You don't need to outrun the 72" range weapons. Unless someone is lucky, they won't kill it in one shot with those and realistically need like 6 of them, counting shields and rolls on the table and whatnot [and more likely need like 8 or 9].

What you need to outrun are the meltaguns and thunderhammers that would be gunning for you, and that's what it can do.

And I disagree with "more D templates wins". My group regularly was out-classed by the "order" side in our apoc games many many times. When the difference approached 13 D strength weapons of various sizes to our zero, they managed a tie by blowing us mostly off the face of the board. Yeah, at that point things were really starting to swing and it was because of the weaponry. We're still out-gunned all the time, but we've constructed a few superheavies with D cannons on our side as well and while the layout is now more often 7 to 2 or 10 to 3, we still do well because we make them count.

Apocalypse is about troop dispersion and appropriate application of force in the right spots. That's all.

If i had a Warhound i would take it to every Apoc game. One of my regular opponents has one and it rarely fails to make up it's cost. He runs it with a Turbo-Laser and a Vulcan megabolter.

the Laser will pop just about any tank on the table with ease. While the megabolter will rip MEQs apart quite happily being S6 + AP3.

it is stupidly resilent having AV14 and void shields (which can be repaired at the start of every turn). And, because it is a walker, assaults will always be facing the front armour!

You will need to have something for close in support as the vopid only extend 12" out fromt he titan, so anything inside that distance doesn't have to worry about the shields.

if i had the money i woudl Defo buy one, i woudl probably go with the Turbo-Laser and Plasma Blast-Gun though.

I actually prefer the Plasma Blastcannon to the Vulcan Megabolter, but if I were to field 2 Titans, I'd probably use one of each, along with the Turbo Laser, of course.

But in regards to Titans in general, they are amazing. I own 2 and have had the pleasure of playing both in a single Apoc game. They are immensely fun. Don't worry about them not making up for their points, b/c they more than likely always do.

I think the harder part is to justify if the titan is worth the large money cost or time cost to scratch build it.

Once its bought or built the Titan is always worth its points because of the fun factor and thats what Apoc is all about having fun.

I would have a Titan if I played Apoc more but since I don't I can't justify the money or time cost for something I would only use a few times a year if that.

The OP might have wanted to ask is the Warhound Titan worth its 700 pt price tag in an Apoc tournament setting like the Adepticon Gladiator but they might have outlawed the Warhound already. I know they outlawed Reavers as they were too good. That I can't say because I don't follow the Gladiator.

I can tell you that, points wise, Warhounds are under priced. only by about 250 points though.


you do have to realize that it isn't invincible. anything that is Str10 will kill it in CC or shooting very quickly(learned this the hard way when a Hyrodule caught me)

you need to keep the enemy away from the titan. you can stay at range and pummel the enemy with Turbolasers and Plasma quite safely because Appoc boards are big and your guns outrange even Railguns.

they do work best in pairs, in fluff and on table.

also watch out for aircraft carrying high power weapons. i VDR designed a dark eldar flier with a 36" pulsar. it EATS titans and baneblades for dinner. and since its apoc dont have to really worry about "legaility" of the thing. <evil laugh>

I'd say its definitely worth it. Its just a fun unit and even if it dies you still have the rest of your army mainly.

Remember though, that even though it will soak up most of the fire it won't likely soak up all the fire. Anti infantry and medium strength weapons will still be focused on your other units.

The warhound is a SCOUT TITAN.

If you wanted a real badass you should've got the Reaver.

Warhounds are light Titans that wasn't meant for head-to-head battles.

I say it's worth it too, but if its the only superheavy or the only titan out there, it would most likely be the central target too. But that tactic could go either way as the others have already well argued. So I advise getting one as well if you play apoc games frequently, load it with turbo and plasma.

Hell, I want it jut cause a Warhound at the head of my IG army would look bad ASS.

Dorian, 'not used in head to head combat'? The Taros Campaign woud like to have a word with you.