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Davespil wrote: Does GW/FW not know what a quartermaster is?
What do you think a Quartermaster is?
In the modern Royal Navy, a Quartermaster is the person who, at sea, steers the ship but in harbour it's the title for the person who guards the gangway.
In the British Army, it's the person who controls stores.
In the grim darkness of the far future, as far as the Death Korps are concerned, it's the person who dispatches the soon to be dead and gathers their gear to supply the next human wave.
Not a guy that walks around the battlefield healing or killing wounded soldiers. That's what a medical corps is for. And why would he be walking around an active battlefield scrounging for a few extra rifles or grenades? Soldiers do that after the battle. He belongs in the supply tent at the rear issuing gear and making sure command got that shipment of socks in.
Well, in a completely fictional universe 38 000 years from now, a QM is something completely different from what you consider a 21st Century QM is.
Its also a specific Death Korps thing. They have a way higher supply of soldiers than anything else, so getting them equipment is extremely important. To the point that the quartermaster goes onto an active battlefield to scrounge gear. Human lives are worthless to them. Thats what the´soldiers of Krieg are known for.
Keep in mind, this is 40k: When in doubt, make it grimdarker.
Tyr13 wrote: Its also a specific Death Korps thing. They have a way higher supply of soldiers than anything else, so getting them equipment is extremely important. To the point that the quartermaster goes onto an active battlefield to scrounge gear. Human lives are worthless to them. Thats what the´soldiers of Krieg are known for.
Keep in mind, this is 40k: When in doubt, make it grimdarker.
Yes yes. Remember: Kriegers do not have names; they have batch numbers. They never take off their gas masks or other gear while on deployment (that’s the Quartermaster's job post mortem, or as close as practicable) and no-one has any idea how they tell each other apart.
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Tyr13 wrote: Its also a specific Death Korps thing. They have a way higher supply of soldiers than anything else, so getting them equipment is extremely important. To the point that the quartermaster goes onto an active battlefield to scrounge gear. Human lives are worthless to them. Thats what the´soldiers of Krieg are known for.
Keep in mind, this is 40k: When in doubt, make it grimdarker.
Yes yes. Remember: Kriegers do not have names; they have batch numbers. They never take off their gas masks or other gear while on deployment (that’s the Quartermaster's job post mortem, or as close as practicable) and no-one has any idea how they tell each other apart.
I’m fairly sure that quartermasters issue battlefield replacements (and medical aid if you can get back in the fight immediately) so they’d have to take off their stuff for that.
Davespil wrote: Does GW/FW not know what a quartermaster is?
What do you think a Quartermaster is?
In the modern Royal Navy, a Quartermaster is the person who, at sea, steers the ship but in harbour it's the title for the person who guards the gangway.
In the British Army, it's the person who controls stores.
In the grim darkness of the far future, as far as the Death Korps are concerned, it's the person who dispatches the soon to be dead and gathers their gear to supply the next human wave.
Not a guy that walks around the battlefield healing or killing wounded soldiers. That's what a medical corps is for. And why would he be walking around an active battlefield scrounging for a few extra rifles or grenades? Soldiers do that after the battle. He belongs in the supply tent at the rear issuing gear and making sure command got that shipment of socks in.
Well, in a completely fictional universe 38 000 years from now, a QM is something completely different from what you consider a 21st Century QM is.
Sure, and tanks mean boats and Calvary means jets. I honestly believe that GW/FW have no idea what a quarter master is. Hence this unit. If a guy needs a new gas mask he'll just pick one up from a dead guy himself. He doesn't need a battlefield scrounger/medic/Dr Kevorkian to get him one.
Look at it this way, their equipment is much higher quality than other Guard regiments, and more highly regarded than the people themselves. So the quartermaster goes out to save as much gear as possible to distribute back to the new troops, before it gets too ruined in the battle. He has medical servitors following him around to help anyone who is still worth keeping alive, or he puts down those who can't be saved to save the equipment, because Death Korps don't care about life, they see death as a good thing; as serving the emperor.
Davespil wrote: Does GW/FW not know what a quartermaster is?
What do you think a Quartermaster is?
In the modern Royal Navy, a Quartermaster is the person who, at sea, steers the ship but in harbour it's the title for the person who guards the gangway.
In the British Army, it's the person who controls stores.
In the grim darkness of the far future, as far as the Death Korps are concerned, it's the person who dispatches the soon to be dead and gathers their gear to supply the next human wave.
Not a guy that walks around the battlefield healing or killing wounded soldiers. That's what a medical corps is for. And why would he be walking around an active battlefield scrounging for a few extra rifles or grenades? Soldiers do that after the battle. He belongs in the supply tent at the rear issuing gear and making sure command got that shipment of socks in.
Well, in a completely fictional universe 38 000 years from now, a QM is something completely different from what you consider a 21st Century QM is.
Sure, and tanks mean boats and Calvary means jets. I honestly believe that GW/FW have no idea what a quarter master is. Hence this unit. If a guy needs a new gas mask he'll just pick one up from a dead guy himself. He doesn't need a battlefield scrounger/medic/Dr Kevorkian to get him one.
Quartermaster means different things now, depending on the country or service, let alone on a completely different planet thousands of years from now. Plus it’s a suitably grimdark twist on what a Quartermaster that you mean is for the DKoK.
Davespil wrote: Does GW/FW not know what a quartermaster is?
What do you think a Quartermaster is?
In the modern Royal Navy, a Quartermaster is the person who, at sea, steers the ship but in harbour it's the title for the person who guards the gangway.
In the British Army, it's the person who controls stores.
In the grim darkness of the far future, as far as the Death Korps are concerned, it's the person who dispatches the soon to be dead and gathers their gear to supply the next human wave.
Not a guy that walks around the battlefield healing or killing wounded soldiers. That's what a medical corps is for. And why would he be walking around an active battlefield scrounging for a few extra rifles or grenades? Soldiers do that after the battle. He belongs in the supply tent at the rear issuing gear and making sure command got that shipment of socks in.
Well, in a completely fictional universe 38 000 years from now, a QM is something completely different from what you consider a 21st Century QM is.
Sure, and tanks mean boats and Calvary means jets. I honestly believe that GW/FW have no idea what a quarter master is. Hence this unit. If a guy needs a new gas mask he'll just pick one up from a dead guy himself. He doesn't need a battlefield scrounger/medic/Dr Kevorkian to get him one.
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The fact that the Krieg Quartermaster is actually a guy who goes around reclaiming equipment from dead/dying soldiers is part of the theme of the Kriegers.
It's ages since I last read it but isn't the Quartermaster in Monstrous Regiment (Diskworld) also stealing from the dead on battlefields.
In fact the idea of a quartermaster taking things from the fallen is not so daft. It's been used many times before in fantasy settings and even in reality if you've got a whole army of dead people with good equipment you are not just doing to let that rot for the crows and the looters.
That the Deadkrieg Quartermaster makes it a point to be on the battlefield looting is a neat twist; but not an abomination. Remember titles are just titles and the actual role a title performs can vary very significantly from army to army let alone age to age.
Don't forget armies in 40K fight much closer to WW1/2 style of battles - ranks and regiments and gunlines - than we do in modern warfare today.
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Overread wrote: It's ages since I last read it but isn't the Quartermaster in Monstrous Regiment (Diskworld) also stealing from the dead on battlefields.
In fact the idea of a quartermaster taking things from the fallen is not so daft. It's been used many times before in fantasy settings and even in reality if you've got a whole army of dead people with good equipment you are not just doing to let that rot for the crows and the looters.
That the Deadkrieg Quartermaster makes it a point to be on the battlefield looting is a neat twist; but not an abomination. Remember titles are just titles and the actual role a title performs can vary very significantly from army to army let alone age to age.
Don't forget armies in 40K fight much closer to WW1/2 style of battles - ranks and regiments and gunlines - than we do in modern warfare today.
It was not until modern times that metal became cheap to produce, and guns having interchangeable parts. Collecting the weapons and armour of the dead from both sides after a battle was common. Even farmers and locals would take what metal they could and reforge it to use as tools and such.
I don't know how much that practice continued into the 1st world war tho, I understood that armies became more standardized in their equipment, slowly the less useful taking the other guy's stuff was.
In the logic of Warhammer 40k, Imperial Guard Wargear is kinda stupid durable, and can keep being reused over and over again for hundreds of years with proper maintenance. So stripping the dead of their wargear makes alot of sense.
(To put that in perspective, think about how many weapons, tanks, ect from the 1st world war that can still function at this point?
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(To put that in perspective, think about how many weapons, tanks, ect from the 1st world war that can still function at this point?
If they've been maintained properly, or at least stored properly and then cleaned up from the preserving greases and such, quite a few. The ones that don't function were pretty much the ones left to rot and rust. Even those can sometimes yield useful parts and components (moreso with those issued since about the mid 19th century, when parts interchangeability became the standard for most standing armies).
Why are we still talking about whether FW knows what quartermasters are? I'm almost certain they know, I'd be surprised if FW didn't have at least a few military historians in their ranks. They just put a grimdark spin on the role.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Why are we still talking about whether FW knows what quartermasters are? I'm almost certain they know, I'd be surprised if FW didn't have at least a few military historians in their ranks. They just put a grimdark spin on the role.
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Davespil wrote: Does GW/FW not know what a quartermaster is?
What do you think a Quartermaster is?
In the modern Royal Navy, a Quartermaster is the person who, at sea, steers the ship but in harbour it's the title for the person who guards the gangway.
In the British Army, it's the person who controls stores.
In the grim darkness of the far future, as far as the Death Korps are concerned, it's the person who dispatches the soon to be dead and gathers their gear to supply the next human wave.
Not a guy that walks around the battlefield healing or killing wounded soldiers. That's what a medical corps is for. And why would he be walking around an active battlefield scrounging for a few extra rifles or grenades? Soldiers do that after the battle. He belongs in the supply tent at the rear issuing gear and making sure command got that shipment of socks in.
Well, in a completely fictional universe 38 000 years from now, a QM is something completely different from what you consider a 21st Century QM is.
Sure, and tanks mean boats and Calvary means jets. I honestly believe that GW/FW have no idea what a quarter master is. Hence this unit. If a guy needs a new gas mask he'll just pick one up from a dead guy himself. He doesn't need a battlefield scrounger/medic/Dr Kevorkian to get him one.
Quartermaster means different things now, depending on the country or service, let alone on a completely different planet thousands of years from now. Plus it’s a suitably grimdark twist on what a Quartermaster that you mean is for the DKoK.
None of them mean medic. They have medics for that. Grim dark is a guy with a special rank and billet running around shooting soldiers so he can take their boots on an active battlefield? Don't blame grimdark for this silliness, blame terrible writing.
Bobthehero wrote: The QM is not the medic, the medical servitors are
This is correct.
Also how are Krieg Quartermasters any less bonkers than Space Marine Librarians, Apothecaries and Chaplains? How did 'apothecary' even come to mean 'field surgeon', when it's just a historical term for a 'pharmacist'? And to top it of, the recent Death Guard release introduces what appears to be an accountant? A Nurgle field accountant, maybe?
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Why are we still talking about whether FW knows what quartermasters are? I'm almost certain they know, I'd be surprised if FW didn't have at least a few military historians in their ranks. They just put a grimdark spin on the role.
Especially as there's this new weapon to talk about:
Bobthehero wrote: The QM is not the medic, the medical servitors are
This is correct.
Also how are Krieg Quartermasters any less bonkers than Space Marine Librarians, Apothecaries and Chaplains? How did 'apothecary' even come to mean 'field surgeon', when it's just a historical term for a 'pharmacist'? And to top it of, the recent Death Guard release introduces what appears to be an accountant? A Nurgle field accountant, maybe?
Appthecaries created and dispensed medicine to patients, so a precursor to a doctor. They werent pharmacists, they were replaced by pharmacists. I don't know why HE used apothecary and not surgeon or doctor. So, not that much of a stretch. Chaplains were religious leaders and in many armies they took battlefield roles to help morale. Librarians are pretty much an extension of the Quartermaster silliness. A supply guy that wanders around the battlefield killing people because his robot says they're doomed and taking their gear. I have no words for the tallyman except... Chaos.
Bobthehero wrote: The QM is not the medic, the medical servitors are
This is correct.
Also how are Krieg Quartermasters any less bonkers than Space Marine Librarians, Apothecaries and Chaplains? How did 'apothecary' even come to mean 'field surgeon', when it's just a historical term for a 'pharmacist'? And to top it of, the recent Death Guard release introduces what appears to be an accountant? A Nurgle field accountant, maybe?
Appthecaries created and dispensed medicine to patients, so a precursor to a doctor. They werent pharmacists, they were replaced by pharmacists. I don't know why HE used apothecary and not surgeon or doctor. So, not that much of a stretch. Chaplains were religious leaders and in many armies they took battlefield roles to help morale. Librarians are pretty much an extension of the Quartermaster silliness. A supply guy that wanders around the battlefield killing people because his robot says they're doomed and taking their gear. I have no words for the tallyman except... Chaos.
Pharmacists also dispense medicines to patients, they just don't create them now. Other medieval roles were the precursors to doctors and surgeons, apothecaries were just part of that network. Medieval medicine could be surprisingly sophisticated.
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I don't see what this discussion has to do with FW news and rumours. The Quartermaster model has existed for years, so it is neither news nor rumours. Perhaps make a thread in General or Off Topic if you want to discuss the validity and absurdity of GW's naming and chosen battlefield roles.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I don't see what this discussion has to do with FW news and rumours. The Quartermaster model has existed for years, so it is neither news nor rumours. Perhaps make a thread in General or Off Topic if you want to discuss the validity and absurdity of GW's naming and chosen battlefield roles.
As this one has wandered off track for long enough now, yes, please do that...
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