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H.B.M.C. wrote:Kamir is Atillan. It wouldn't make much sense to put him on a bike.

BYE

I may be mistaken, but I think Death by Monkeys meant that he's analagous to a Space Marine Captain that is riding a Bike, in that Moghul would allow Rough Riders as Troops, just like SM Captains allows Bikes as Troops.

Anyways! I'm excited about this Codex, and I'm itching to try out some Valkyries. With 12/12/10, there's no way I can resist them!

Oh right, in that case that'd suck. I'd rather not have to take the same Atillan to every single battle I face. I'd much rather bring a made up character.

Mandatory special characters to play armies we used to play without them is bad design choice.

BYE

Cept that at least in this case you never got to field an army where rough riders were troops

But seriously we are getting way ahead of ourselves since all we have is the reference sheet. I'm truly excited about a release for the first time this year.

oooh oooh rough riders as troops...

time for my cowboy guard to see the light of day...

Someone was muttering bitterness about, "why whinge about your HW's being done over, you've got loadsa tanks boy, i said boy, you've got loads of tanks, Vroom Vroom look at them go, aint they purty", I'm pretty sure that was the direct quote.

anyway in response to that fething slowed statement:

BECAUSE IT COMPLETELY feths ALL INFANTRY GAURD, those of us who despise tanks, and have made a point of not taking them have been done over, our squads are easier to kill and less shooty by 1 lasgun (which certainly does add up).

now you might say, "but gaurd are getting cheaper, you'll have more of them in your all-infantry-army-of-deathTM", but my problem always was fitting the buggers into my deployment zone to start with. now it looks like light infantry is pinned to a bloody special character, and I'll have yet more meat heads to make up the points.

I'm going to be particularly peeved as I now have 30+ HW squads which are not legally based, simply because I took the time and effort to make things as clear to my opponents in 4E and until now 5E what the actual rules were rather than getting into stupid discussions about scenic bases and charges. You can't buy the correct bases individually and get ,what 2, in a giant pack of other bases I'll never use

All I wanted was sort to the kill points issue and I would have been fine...

oh and having 9 model units makes the kill points just that bit easier to get...

dr vompire wrote:I'm going to be particularly peeved as I now have 30+ HW squads which are not legally based, simply because I took the time and effort to make things as clear to my opponents in 4E and until now 5E what the actual rules were rather than getting into stupid discussions about scenic bases and charges. You can't buy the correct bases individually and get ,what 2, in a giant pack of other bases I'll never use.

nit: 60mm bases are back in stock, 3 for $4.50. Still annoying, but now somewhat practical. I agree that 60mm bases for heavy weapons was never the best idea and this is not the best solution, and it is a shame that all infantry is unlikely to remain practical. Insert platitudes here. I know I expected to have to completely rework my army's concept when the new codex came out.

Raxmei wrote:nit: 60mm bases are back in stock, 3 for $4.50. Still annoying, but now somewhat practical. I agree that 60mm bases for heavy weapons was never the best idea and this is not the best solution, and it is a shame that all infantry is unlikely to remain practical. Insert platitudes here. I know I expected to have to completely rework my army's concept when the new codex came out.

The base packs are direct-only, aren't they? So still not an ideal state of affairs (though I'm lucky because I only need another seven and I'm all set)

AlexCage wrote:

Balance wrote:

strange_eric wrote:Wow HW squads being one model? That's purely stupid. On so many levels. I don't think one single person was confused about how the "2 models 1 base" thing worked, why change it? Ugh.

Actually, it used to be a constant point of confusion. It always seemed to confuse people on the old GW message boards.

Hell, my group still doesn't get it. Every game (And I mean EVERY god damned game) I have to explain it, yet again.

"You have to remove whole models, you can't allocate wounds across multi-wound models!"
Grrraaahh. This is not a difficult concept.

But to be honest I'm still not sure how to handle blast weapons. GW says imagine a 25mm under the model, but that gets real iffy when you're trying to decide if this small template gets both or just one. Or is it ALWAYS supposed to get both, even if it touches just the barest tip of the base? (The latter, of course, being how ALL my opponents interpret the rule. )

Wait... Why would that rule even apply? From my understanding it's not a multi-wound model, it's two models that share a base. This si definitely an example of the confusion that was caused.

For the blast template thing, I know the people I played with treated it as each model being centered on a virtual normal-sized base.

Is it just me, who's inner geek keeps saying "Is it May yet!?" "is it May yet!?"

Centurion.

I'll even settle for, is the MAy WD out yet? Is the May WD out yet?!?!

If I could rebase two dozen Terminators when they moved to 40mm, you guys can buy or make some 60mm for your old HW teams. It's not as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

Bootstraps, people, bootstraps! I can do it you can too!

lord_blackfang wrote:If I could rebase two dozen Terminators when they moved to 40mm, you guys can buy or make some 60mm for your old HW teams. It's not as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

Cutting off painted and based models and regluing and rebasing them to different bases is a gigantic PITA.

Your Terminators also never *HAD* to be rebased if they *came* on the 25mm bases, that was a choice, and under the current ruleset, is technically an opponent's permission thing since they aren't the bases they came with.

Vaktathi wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:If I could rebase two dozen Terminators when they moved to 40mm, you guys can buy or make some 60mm for your old HW teams. It's not as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

Cutting off painted and based models and regluing and rebasing them to different bases is a gigantic PITA.

Your Terminators also never *HAD* to be rebased if they *came* on the 25mm bases, that was a choice, and under the current ruleset, is technically an opponent's permission thing since they aren't the bases they came with.

Glue the bases onto the bases. They'll just be a little taller. you could even add more scenery!

That only works if they are both on 25mm bases. I have some on a 40mm and a 25 mm. Doesn't work.

I think scenery is youre friend here.

The old metal HWT didn't have bases for weapons. Was possible to find bases for them,so not really a challenge now.

I'm more interested in the platoon organization.
If a HWt comes in squads that fit into a platoon, maybe it is a 10 wound unit / 5 models ?

Well, I'm sorry some of you are mildly inconvenienced. I'm sure it's never happened in the history of the hobby that someone would have to do some minor alterations to their models when a new Codex comes out. Actually I'm really envious of you if this is your biggest gripe in life., like you make it sound to be.

Damn, how dare we ask for things as customers. Quickly boys, latch back onto GW's nutsack! Can't have them thinkign we don't worship their every move!

Or whatever the hell you expect us to do.

@ Scottywan82
QFT ROFL!!!!

@ Lord BlackFang
Obvious Troll Is Obvious

Scottywan82 wrote:Damn, how dare we ask for things as customers. Quickly boys, latch back onto GW's nutsack! Can't have them thinkign we don't worship their every move!

Or whatever the hell you expect us to do.

Um, if we didn't latch that tightly to 'em we wouldn't have had plastic piranhas, baneblades and valkyries now would we? Keep suckling, boys!

I'm just saying that re-basing some models is a very very minor issue compared to what some players have had to endure. There are people out there with entire armies they can't use anymore. So forgive me if I'm not particularly sympathetic to people who are making a huge fuss over having to buy a bag of bases.

wow reading that and all of the posts makes me hopeful that when DE comes out we will have a codex thats compleatly overpowered following GWs recent trend
oh btw the hw squads counting as 1 model will help stop arguements which is a good thing

Yes, because there's been so many arguments over heavy weapons teams....not...

Actually, I just had a really good idea.

Take the large base of the heavy weapons team, and trace it over some plasticard or even just cardboard.

Cut out the traced circle. Put the 2 models on the traced circle.

Then you can add some flock/whatever to the traced circle. And you don't have to go buy bases!

I'm a genius.

lord_blackfang wrote:I'm just saying that re-basing some models is a very very minor issue compared to what some players have had to endure. There are people out there with entire armies they can't use anymore. So forgive me if I'm not particularly sympathetic to people who are making a huge fuss over having to buy a bag of bases.

But of course they can use them! In Apocalypse! No one need complain ever!

@stonefox - Was it the suckling? Or the never buying FW? The world may never know.

I believe the "Mentor" is the Sergeant equivalent for a potential unit of Sanctioned Psykers; if you compare page numbers, you'll find that his entry is on their page, and that would explain his Leadership 9.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Kamir is Atillan. It wouldn't make much sense to put him on a bike.

Okay, I wasn't clear - of course he's not on a bike - but I'm betting he'll be analogous to the SM Capt. on a Bike in that just as the SM Capt on a Bike allows bikes as troops, Kamir on his horse will allow RRs as troops.

Right - thanks MinMax (dammit - gotta remember to read through the next page before I reply...)

lord_blackfang wrote:If I could rebase two dozen Terminators when they moved to 40mm, you guys can buy or make some 60mm for your old HW teams. It's not as big a deal as some people make it out to be.

I didn't rebase my terminators in either my chaos or loyalist SM armies. Why should I? The rules state that you may use bases of the original size that the models were provided with or larger. As I use nothing but first edition terminators, the small rounds are correct for them.

TR

Yeah, if your models are on the bases that they came with, they should be legal. Just treat the loader as a wound counter...

Damn I'm blind. I didn't notice that all Russ variants have 13 side armor, not just the Demolisher. Guess I'm just not a tank guy.

I ran the numbers on stormtroopers, and like vespids they're only as good at shooting marines as marines are at shooting them. Good in the right situations, but not worth the sort of attention they're certain to receive.

....Melta cannon???

Has that not been posted yet? But yeah, the English translation was helpful, confirmed a lot of things.