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blood angel wrote:Lemartes, 15 DC, Jump Packs and 7 power fists - over 800 points.. might be worth it

No there is no need for that many power fists in any army. Especially in 2 squads

Emrab wrote:

blood angel wrote:Lemartes, 15 DC, Jump Packs and 7 power fists - over 800 points.. might be worth it

No there is no need for that many power fists in any army. Especially in 2 squads

Anything that can survive more than two powerfists in an assault is pretty scary.

Emrab wrote:

blood angel wrote:Lemartes, 15 DC, Jump Packs and 7 power fists - over 800 points.. might be worth it

No there is no need for that many power fists in any army. Especially in 2 squads

3 Carnifexes?

7 PF = 21A = 14hit = 12W...

Ditch the power fists and jump packs and throw in mephiston.. That way you get cavalry and you ignore terrain for the entire unit and save all those points on jump packs!

Sure you lose rending but you wont need it for 22pts a model.. Can still take an aspirant to ignore rage

Too true. I was just 'wishlisting'

I think taking Meph with them is going to be bad ass too. Then you can fit all 16 of them in the lander if you wish, heh.

The reference to living darkness 'removing models from play' seems to be pretty interesting too.

140 points for a super fast baal pred w/TL melta that can drop PFs into combat from space (read: without them getting shot up). Uh.... what the hell?

Also: Breaking news! GW sets Baltimore up to claim 'City of Leaks' title!

Slackermagee wrote:140 points for a super fast baal pred w/TL melta that can drop PFs into combat from space (read: without them getting shot up). Uh.... what the hell?

Also: Breaking news! GW sets Baltimore up to claim 'City of Leaks' title!

You can also only take a max of 8 JP Marines. Thats if you want to assault. Otherwise reg Marines just hop out and shoot. Smart players will have screening units or use some ability to negate the buffs from that. Not to mention it gets expensive. That unit will cost more than a Landraider and has no hope of any cheesy destruction.

For cheap and nasty 130 pts gets a 3++ creature with 4 wounds that sucks wounds from other squads when it lands and sucks more wounds in the opponents phase. Oh and he can shoot a Ordnance AP 1 blast. Much worse if you ask me then a flimsy dropship with not alot of precious cargo.

However I am getting ahead of myself. Some people may just take 5 of them and throw their tacticals and assault squads in them.

I for one will be fielding Seth. He is too good to pass up.

Dante, Meph, a couple of tac squads in rhinos, honor guard, maxed out DC.... crap.. i'm out of points

I really like the Storm Harbinger, Assault Marine, Death Company, Seth (Flesh Tearers) concept. I was so excited over the IG's version of Air Assault. This takes it to an all time high new level.

Wow.

Can I build 2 Marine armies in one year? Wonder what the wife will think about that?

What I don't get is why tac marines are 5 points cheaper, and why anyone will ever buy a plasma pistol again. When a plasma pistol and a melta pistol are the exact same price, why would you ever NOT buy the one with 1 higher strength, the melta rule, and a 0% chance of it exploding in your face? Overall I like what I'm seeing though.

If GW releases Flesh Tearers shoulderpads and an appropriately awesome Seth model, I'll be tempted to start YET ANOTHER Marine army.

Brother SRM wrote:What I don't get is why tac marines are 5 points cheaper, and why anyone will ever buy a plasma pistol again. When a plasma pistol and a melta pistol are the exact same price, why would you ever NOT buy the one with 1 higher strength, the melta rule, and a 0% chance of it exploding in your face? Overall I like what I'm seeing though.

If GW releases Flesh Tearers shoulderpads and an appropriately awesome Seth model, I'll be tempted to start YET ANOTHER Marine army.

6 inch extra range on the plasma pistol?

But yeah, for the same point cost, why ever take plasma?

Also, why do AM have PW and LC at the same cost, for that matter?


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In any case, if these rumors turn out to even be mostly true ( and they sound perfectly fine to me) I as a necron player am absolutely screwed. Being assaulted out of Deep Strike is going to absolutely destroy me.

At this point Flesh Tearers may be bigger than any marine army because of all the USR he confers to the army. I mean Fleet and Furious Charge? Yessir gimme gimme!

I like infernus pistols for that extra oomph when taking on AV 14 guys when you know that you are going to assault it anyways. I mean if you can shoot it down instead why not then taking three PF whacks at it.

Overall I will be making a Flesh Tearers style force if not an entire army because of how cool Seth sounds and the fact that him with a Sanguinary High Priest is one of the nastiest combos since Dante and Corbulo.

PW/LC fill diff. roles that's why?

PW can be combined with cc weapon for +1 attack, LC can't but the LC lets you reroll wounds.

So +1 attack or reroll wounds? Not really a no brainer choice IMO.

Fateweaver wrote:PW can be combined with cc weapon for +1 attack, LC can't but the LC lets you reroll wounds.

So +1 attack or reroll wounds? Not really a no brainer choice IMO.

Numbers-wise, virtually identical results. LC slightly better for T5-T7; PW slightly better for T3.

Fateweaver wrote:PW/LC fill diff. roles that's why?

PW can be combined with cc weapon for +1 attack, LC can't but the LC lets you reroll wounds.

So +1 attack or reroll wounds? Not really a no brainer choice IMO.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Alright, I'd like to draw this to everyone's attention if it hasn't been already.

The librarian gets a large blast vortex grenade each turn with no scatter (in addition to doing something useless with line of sight... ). Did I read that right? Do blood angels seriously get the ability to drop pod two librarians and vape large segments of your army on a roll of 10 or less on 2d6?

Also, these guys sound a lot more like the 'Jesus Marines' now. Someone out in Baltimore get Born Again?

Slackermagee wrote:Alright, I'd like to draw this to everyone's attention if it hasn't been already.

The librarian gets a large blast vortex grenade each turn with no scatter (in addition to doing something useless with line of sight... ). Did I read that right? Do blood angels seriously get the ability to drop pod two librarians and vape large segments of your army on a roll of 10 or less on 2d6?

Yeah that's striking me as odd, unless there is a missing line about not being able to place it on enemy models or something (so they only die if something forces them into it, rather like the Mawloc's special ability).

Slackermagee wrote:Also, these guys sound a lot more like the 'Jesus Marines' now. Someone out in Baltimore get Born Again?

Eh, they're a blood cult with a focus on inspired martyrdom, that's always gonna have some similarities with the more ritualistic aspects of Christianity, most of this dates back to their old Angels of Death write up though (grail, blood rituals, martyrs, etc...). If anything the new stuff has moved away from the obvious new testament allegories.

Jack

Well, one of the main elements of BA design is the Italian Renaissance period. The church still had a great deal of control during the period, so I don;t think it's unreasonable that a few Christian themes snuck in.

Commander Endova wrote:Well, one of the main elements of BA design is the Italian Renaissance period. The church still had a great deal of control during the period, so I don;t think it's unreasonable that a few Christian themes snuck in.

Actually it's more the Baroque period. More ostentatious with religious high iconography and refined than the Renaissance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baroque

I stand corrected! Never was much a scholar of the arts...

Slackermagee wrote:Alright, I'd like to draw this to everyone's attention if it hasn't been already.

The librarian gets a large blast vortex grenade each turn with no scatter (in addition to doing something useless with line of sight... ). Did I read that right? Do blood angels seriously get the ability to drop pod two librarians and vape large segments of your army on a roll of 10 or less on 2d6?

Also, these guys sound a lot more like the 'Jesus Marines' now. Someone out in Baltimore get Born Again?

i think it means the marker for the power gets removed if its placed over a model or a model moves into it. We will have to wait for the final wording on the actual book to be sure.

I'm currently pondering a predator with an autocannon and a cyclone missile launcher for 100 points and how that might end up being pretty good.

Khornatedemon wrote:
i think it means the marker for the power gets removed if its placed over a model or a model moves into it. We will have to wait for the final wording on the actual book to be sure.

On more careful reading I think you have the right of it (and it certainly makes more sense game wise), although it wrecks my clever plan of plopping it on top of my own land Raider each turn :(

Khornatedemon wrote:I'm currently pondering a predator with an autocannon and a cyclone missile launcher for 100 points and how that might end up being pretty good.

Nice, its certainly a different type of tank then we've seen before, and with OCE it could move 12 and fire all guns (in anti infantry mode with frag missiles) which might be worth it as well.

Jack

Nice to see the Shroud of Sanguinius making a return.

Does anybody see any use for a dirt-cheap devastator squad of five with grenade launchers?

Yeah, I do.
For giving Death Company Frag/Krak!

Nice to see Flesh Tearers getting included, but another fleet of foot Space Marine chapter?! There really ought to be a trade off for that kind of thing.

EXALTED SQUAD Around 150 Points
-Guardian of the Tower (one wound semi-commander stats)
-Exalted (veteran marine stats)
Unit Composition: 4 Exalted, 1 Guardian of the Tower
Unit Type: Jump Infantry
Wargear: Power armour, Stormbolter, Power weapon, Frag grenades, Krak grenades,
Jump packs
Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Hit & Run, Paragon of Restraint
Options: •The squad may include up to five additional Exalted for +30 pts per model

From the leaked PDF. Edited to restrict info.
They don't suffer from Blood Rage, and as such don't get benefits or drawbacks.
Seemingly the only way to give them Furious Charge is to get them close to a figure with Exsanguinator (not impossible but requires either an Honor Guard of High Priest).
Thoughts on these guys? Decent or just as overpriced as Vanguard?

Flashman wrote:Nice to see Flesh Tearers getting included, but another fleet of foot Space Marine chapter?! There really ought to be a trade off for that kind of thing.

You mean besides Fleet being packaged together with the most tactically crippling USR in the game?


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Lurker wrote:
From the leaked PDF. Edited to restrict info.
They don't suffer from Blood Rage, and as such don't get benefits or drawbacks.
Seemingly the only way to give them Furious Charge is to get them close to a figure with Exsanguinator (not impossible but requires either an Honor Guard of High Priest).
Thoughts on these guys? Decent or just as overpriced as Vanguard?

They cost ~15 pts less per model than any comparable SM unit anywhere ever.

Lurker wrote:

EXALTED SQUAD Around 150 Points
-Guardian of the Tower (one wound semi-commander stats)
-Exalted (veteran marine stats)
Unit Composition: 4 Exalted, 1 Guardian of the Tower
Unit Type: Jump Infantry
Wargear: Power armour, Stormbolter, Power weapon, Frag grenades, Krak grenades,
Jump packs
Special Rules: And They Shall Know No Fear, Hit & Run, Paragon of Restraint
Options: •The squad may include up to five additional Exalted for +30 pts per model

From the leaked PDF. Edited to restrict info.
They don't suffer from Blood Rage, and as such don't get benefits or drawbacks.
Seemingly the only way to give them Furious Charge is to get them close to a figure with Exsanguinator (not impossible but requires either an Honor Guard of High Priest).
Thoughts on these guys? Decent or just as overpriced as Vanguard?

The way I read it is that they're immune to Rage, not Red Thirst. They still need to do the Red Thirst test, and can still get FC... They just don't Rage if they fail leadership.

Edit: Just noticed that Red Thirst isn't listed in the Special Rules for Exalted... but I'm guessing it's an omission since Paragon of Restraint is meaningless without the Red Thirst.

I really liking this book. Granted it's still possible that the leaked PDF was a fake, but if it is real I'm sold on it.
I couldn't help but notice that if you take Lemartes, you could potentially feild 4 squads of Death Co, and that per each techmarine taken a Land Raider becomes a deticated transport for a tatical squad. Librarian Dread being an HQ choice was a bit of a suprise, and it appears that Brother Corbulo is completely gone or is just a generic Sanguinary High Priest how. Either way, I see alot of builds I would try in the book. Now I want to see what the new models will look like.