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micahaphone wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:If souls taste anything like Soul Food, I'm going to jump that bandwagon pretty fast.

You gotta pace yourself man, Fried souls go straight to your anti-thighs.

Although the Dark Eldar don't seem to have that problem. Must be their exercise regime.

Hey, constant torture is great for burning off those extra calories!

Melissia wrote:I really wish people would stop saying "deldar" because when I sound it phoenetically in my mind it sounds a single consonant away from "dildo"

The mind hears (reads) what it wants to hear (read)....

Well, given we're discussing Dark Eldar here...
Just saying, that army has some, ahem, connotations that go with it. Bad connotations that involve barbs, whips and systematic skinning.

I now consider myself disturbed.

And I cannot honestly believe that was my 2000th post.

Mad4Minis wrote:The mind hears (reads) what it wants to hear (read)....

So you're saying I want to hear the Dark Eldar insulted?

How unkind.

Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:Well, given we're discussing Dark Eldar here...
Just saying, that army has some, ahem, connotations that go with it. Bad connotations that involve barbs, whips and systematic skinning.

Create a half naked (dark) elf with a sword and the teenagers buy it up. Why GW didnt see this earlier I don't know?

Melissia wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:The mind hears (reads) what it wants to hear (read)....

So you're saying I want to hear the Dark Eldar insulted?

How unkind.

I think he's implying something else...

I know, and I completely and utterly ignored said innuendo.

Melissia wrote:I know, and I completely and utterly ignored said innuendo.

Which is good of course.

OoieGoie wrote:Create a half naked (dark) elf with a sword and the teenagers buy it up. Why GW didnt see this earlier I don't know?

Because nobody except for Wargames Factory has shown any official interest in becoming the first manufacturer to release an plastic sprue of just female models? If GW would just release a box of plastic Juan Diaz Witch Elves, they'd sell like hotcakes.

Space Wolves are in the top 10!!!!

AlexHolker wrote:

OoieGoie wrote:Create a half naked (dark) elf with a sword and the teenagers buy it up. Why GW didnt see this earlier I don't know?

Because nobody except for Wargames Factory has shown any official interest in becoming the first manufacturer to release an plastic sprue of just female models? If GW would just release a box of plastic Juan Diaz Witch Elves, they'd sell like hotcakes.

heck I'd settle for some female cadians, fully clothed and non provocative just to have some diversity, as it stands the imperial guard is highly sexist and a sausage fest.

Ailaros wrote:That the CSM codex is behaving like a 10 year old codex all of 3 years into its existence shows how really poorly it was done.

Basically, the current version of CSM is SM, except they have way fewer options and everything is more expensive. I recently played a couple of games with a person who ran beautiful CSM models, but played with the space wolves codex. I was surprised by the number of random comments I got from people saying that they knew someone personally who was playing their old CSM army with a light-side codex until a new CSM codex comes out.

I'm currently doing the same thing but my Alpha Legion are represented as templar. It's not a perfect fit but the cultists are now neophytes and chaos marines are initiates so it kinda works.

I got my hands on a couple of those plague tower fireballs, once I rig a marine holding on while riding it with a chain I got myself some thunderwolf cav and will upgrade to wolves.

But having read the original review of chaos marines...I don't believe you've read a single positive thing about chaos marines. The current fluff makes them out to be goofy 2-d shooting targets that die by the thousand because they're just too damn evil to not acting like god damned lemmings. I'd highly recommend reading some of Dan Abnett's works as he fleshes out the chaos marines to have internal conflicts and to be super-powered people under extreme circumstances, and with that in mind they make logistical decisions regarding the betrayal.(And in the ten thousand years since they may have gone a little insane. Just a tad.)

This edition's codex is garbage. It's just complete trash. If I was to show up and place at a tournament I can only bring one list with very minor difference(Warptime, mon instead of lash). It's powerful and it has two good troop options(Plague/zerk) but it's the least fun to play because it always plays the same, no variety, no differences, no options. It's boring as hell. And thirty percent of that pos pamplet of naughty marines is done with the stupid "Build a marine" off the damn GW website.

gendoikari87 wrote:heck I'd settle for some female cadians, fully clothed and non provocative just to have some diversity, as it stands the imperial guard is highly sexist and a sausage fest.

Female Catachans would probably be the best place to start, considering their typical skill in sculpting women...

Melissia wrote:I know, and I completely and utterly ignored said innuendo.

You're no fun.

gendoikari87 wrote: heck I'd settle for some female cadians, fully clothed and non provocative just to have some diversity, as it stands the imperial guard is highly sexist and a sausage fest.

You got a point. I cant even see my female eldar faces (full armour suits) and I still want more of em. Mind you, the males seem to have the same body shape except for the chest area.

Necroman wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:heck I'd settle for some female cadians, fully clothed and non provocative just to have some diversity, as it stands the imperial guard is highly sexist and a sausage fest.

Female Catachans would probably be the best place to start, considering their typical skill in sculpting women...

I thought catachans grew out the decaying remains of sylvester stalone, like fungus, and grew now with water, but the blood of their enemies, and were fuled by pure testosterone which being poisonous to females made catachan women near non existent.

or at least that's why i figured they left women out of the catachanian boxes. I could be wrong though, GW could just be sexist and think of women only as hot sexy and there to be scantily clad to sell figures. but I dont think gw would do that now would they? NAAAAAAAHHHHH

Given that, when they DID make an all-female army (which was supposed to be an army of pure and saintly religious warriors to boot), they just HAD to toss in garter belts and corsets over the armor, because Emperor forbid female models not show their underwear.

LordWaffles wrote:This edition's codex is garbage.

The CSM codex is better than over half the codices out at the moment.

Hmm... I'm guessing next is gonna be Craftworld Eldar or Blood Angels.

I'm probably wrong, though.

LordWaffles wrote: This edition's codex is garbage. It's just complete trash.

Ahem. Phase out, 5th edition glancing rules.

Melissia wrote:Given that, when they DID make an all-female army (which was supposed to be an army of pure and saintly religious warriors to boot), they just HAD to toss in garter belts and corsets over the armor, because Emperor forbid female models not show their underwear.

I had the exact same thought when I saw Sisters for the first time. Years ago, in Dawn of War (before I played the tabletop game). Couldn't help but think, "These are basically militant nuns, right? So what's with the boob-armor?"

I'd personally envision space battle nuns as more Joan d'Arc and less Pinup Girl.

Hopefully, given the excellent job they did with Lelith Hesperax, the Sisters' next model line will rectify this - though, obviously more modestly clothed than Lelith.

SaintHazard wrote:

Melissia wrote:Given that, when they DID make an all-female army (which was supposed to be an army of pure and saintly religious warriors to boot), they just HAD to toss in garter belts and corsets over the armor, because Emperor forbid female models not show their underwear.

I had the exact same thought when I saw Sisters for the first time. Years ago, in Dawn of War (before I played the tabletop game). Couldn't help but think, "These are basically militant nuns, right? So what's with the boob-armor?"

I'd personally envision space battle nuns as more Joan d'Arc and less Pinup Girl.

Hopefully, given the excellent job they did with Lelith Hesperax, the Sisters' next model line will rectify this - though, obviously more modestly clothed than Lelith.

well to be fair there was one hobbyist that did make some female cadians a while back here on dakka, and did a wonderful, non sexist job on them. I really wanted some but he was charging like $40 for a squad. Granted I'm the first one to like the scantily clad figures but the SOB it just seems wrong on some level to me, so I second the joan of arc comment. I mean when was the last time you saw a US marine running around in tight leather pants with his shirt off, or for that matter when did you see a 40k male modeled to suit female tastes, is a little realism or equailty really that much to ask for? save the censurable stuff for slannesh, thats what hes around for isnt it?

When you're only dealing with a 28mm canvas, some exageration becomes necesary to convey and distinguish character.

Manchu wrote:When you're only dealing with a 28mm canvas, some exageration becomes necesary to convey and distinguish character.

Lelith Hesperax, with her taped-down breasts, begs to differ.

And if 40k is ever made into a (serious) movie, Lelith will be played by Hillary Swank. Just saying.

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The fluff doesn't really present them to be a huge galactic threat-- they suffer just like the Tau in that regard, only unlike the Tau they don't seem to be intending to expand much.

I don't think they're supposed to expand and conquer, really. That's not their purpose/goal. They want to hit something hard, take its resources, then go hit something else. I see them as independent forces. Do they have a home world? Or do they just hit something weak then fade away. That's what makes them scary. If you live on the perifery of the empire, the threat of having these guys show up, kill off the men-folk, take the women and children as slaves, take your crops, and burn everything else before the Imperium shows up would keep you up at night.

I like this thread. Fun read.

I am either being intelligent here or unintentionally perpetuating 28mm sexism but here we go.
On the topic of raunchy SoB models i believe there are various reasons why it is a necessary evil to present them in such a way. first of all there are the obvious artistic reasons, when sculpting 28mm figures some artisitc exaggeration is required otherwise they look like effeminate men with ill fitting armour, this also fits into the masculine/feminine ideals in art, there must be differences between the two that speak on a base level to the viewer. Since body language is not an option in miniature/canvas certain 'concessions' to male fantasies must be made. Continuing this idea is the fact that a large proportion of GW enthusiasts are (teenage) males that have the aforementioned 'expectations'. Moving on to fluff, as you will, no doubt, know the SoB were begat with the 'Brides of the Emperor' the personal bodyguard of the deviant Goge Vandire. It is heavily inferred that as well as functioning as his private army they also served as his Harem, this partly explains the sexualised armour, as no doubt Vandire possesed unusual fetishes. As for the SoB's continued use of 'impractical' Powered Armour this i believe is a punishment, forever they must bear the stigma of being the Brides of Vandire the traitor.

Furthering the argument of artistic exaggeration, all the men's faces look the same, everyone has the same giant, square jaw.

I really don't get why anyone thinks the Sisters look so raunchy in the first place.

That is understandable for Astartes though, seeing as how they all have the same genes as each other after augmentation. Also, for guardsmen I can see a bit of variety in Catachans, but not much in Cadians other than what expression they have.

They are meant to be rank and file grunts with matching crew cuts anyways, and the face is only about 1/8" wide, mostly surrounded by helmet. How much character do you need in there? When I did my Guardsmen I found that just subtle difference randomly created by where the wash I used would pool up, or the unique nuance of drybrushing abstraction made all their faces look different, lighter, darker, some features more or less prominent, some with what looked like sunken eyes or pouty lips, etc others with prominent cheekbokes or facial stubble 5-o-clock-shadow just by chance.