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Yeah the SoB should count themselves Lucky that they dont have to wear 'boob tube' cuirasses that leave their toned abdomens exposed to the elements/stares of male combatants. I would say that GW is by no means the worst offender and even a good example such as the Female Spartan in Halo: Reach has what i would posit is *ahem* a 'Nice butt' or the way Commander Shephard's N7 Ceramic/carbide weave catsuit hangs lovingly round her shapely Hips [Lusty Ork emoticon]. Oh dear i don't believe i am painting myself in a good light here. On a more on topic note i think the biggest crime GW has committed recently is the Space wolves/Blood Angels double bill they should have at least bookended a Non SM codex Release. Also Imp. Guard should be somewhere near the top, great codex IMO.

"Raunchy" is a pretty strong word. Armor with extra room for breasts isn't exactly pornographic.

But it IS both unrealistic and unnecessary. Nuns do not look like that. Warrior nuns who spend every minute of their free time practicing killing people, even less so. They'd be thoroughly ripped, scarred up and rather ugly, and have fairly small breasts, like most fit, muscular women. What they DID have would likely be taped down, and would be even less apparent. The booby armor just smacks of the ridiculous Fantasy Breasts that every single female character in every single science fiction and fantasy setting has suffered from for the last fifty years.

But again, Lelith Hesperax's new model is a spectacular example of a departure from the need for pubescent boys to fondle their miniatures while "fondling their miniatures." I hope the new Sisters models emulate a similar attitude.

The 'fondling miniatures' comment was pretty ROFL, bon mot sir! I put it to you that the sisters may well be scarred unfeminine lumps underneath their armour, but their aforementioned stigma of being the Brides of the Emperor and the intention of beguiling their foes means their armour depicts a raunchy (i think i may have created this forum's buzzword haha) exaggerated form.

Perkustin wrote:The 'fondling miniatures' comment was pretty ROFL, bon mot sir! I put it to you that the sisters may well be scarred unfeminine lumps underneath their armour, but their aforementioned stigma of being the Brides of the Emperor and the intention of beguiling their foes means their armour depicts a raunchy (i think i may have created this forum's buzzword haha) exaggerated form.

And that's a fair point, but I'd rather see boobless battle-scarred Sisters than buxom pinup-girl Sisters. The former just feels more 40k to me.

SaintHazard wrote:But it IS both unrealistic and unnecessary.

Realism is very important in a game where genetically engineered warrior monks fight violent fungi and magical space elves, I totally agree.

Manchu wrote:I really don't get why anyone thinks the Sisters look so raunchy in the first place.

Because if the armor was any more form fitting it'd have nipples on it.

SaintHazard wrote:And that's a fair point, but I'd rather see boobless battle-scarred Sisters than buxom pinup-girl Sisters. The former just feels more 40k to me.

Have you ever seen a SoB's face? The chest is the only way you can tell it's a chick. Frankly, the same could be said of Lelith. Also, there is a difference between having large breasts and having a large breastplate. A fluffy explanation might be that the Eccelsiarchy wanted to stress that it really doesn't maintain any men under arms. I seriously doubt that Sisters are all as stacked as their armor indicates. Furthermore, the argument that "real nuns don't dress like that" is absurd.


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Manchu wrote:I really don't get why anyone thinks the Sisters look so raunchy in the first place.

Because if the armor was any more form fitting it'd have nipples on it.

Reading this, it's hard to believe that you've ever seen licensed SoB artwork or the actuals minis.

Manchu wrote:Furthermore, the argument that "real nuns don't dress like that" is absurd.

You're right, these ladies are dressed like total sluts.

Manchu wrote:Reading this, it's hard to believe that you've ever seen licensed SoB artwork or the actuals minis.

How is this not the very definition of form-fitting?

Allow me to spoil it for you: "form-fitting" means it fits her form. Oh look, there's the armor, doing exactly that.

To stymie the ongoing derail of this thread, I opened the following thread on the issue of Sisters of Battle armor design:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/323205.page

Seriously, no more discussion of SoB until M gets around to ranking them. Discuss it in the other thread. Gendoikar, I have reposted your thoughts there.

Okay, my sickness has lessened a bit, though I hope it didn't hurt my grade in my practicum. Regardless, I'll work on the next post after eating lunch.

The mods. A hivemind of great success.

Both of the Sisters threads got locked by different mods, because another thread existed.

Well done, reds8n and Manchu. Well done indeed.

Thought you could use a laugh today, Saint Hazard.

This thread is now re-opened:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323197.page#2035745

And to be fair, reds8n didn't make a mistake.

Whoops, oh dear my first proper thread Nuked, by a superior version and the MODs. I am surprised the Tau and Tyranids fair so poorly, on reading them i took them to be robust and powerful lists, perhaps a little on the technical side rather than narrative admittedly.

Perkustin wrote:Whoops, oh dear my first proper thread Nuked, by a superior version and the MODs. I am surprised the Tau and Tyranids fair so poorly, on reading them i took them to be robust and powerful lists, perhaps a little on the technical side rather than narrative admittedly.

That's kind of how I felt about Tau as well, and I'd be forced to rank them fairly low in strength of fluff. That is to say, they just don't have a whole lot of it.

Hopefully 5e will fix this.

You have provided a great, opinionated bias of each codex. I like that mention both pros and cons concerning each. Well written and gives the reader or average newb things to ponder

Edited by Manchu. To re-clarify, discussion of SoB armor design (etc) goes here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/323197.page

Thanks!

9: DAEMONHUNTERS


I like Daemonhunters. I really do! They're the Marine army that I've most seriously considered starting. They have awesome, highly detailed models, they're complete badasses without going overboard into stupidity (like the other Marine codices). When the Grey Knights appear from their teleportation, the battlefield trembles in fear for THEY have come, and only death awaits their enemies. Sworn to protect humanity from the nastiest of the nasty-- the foul infestations of chaos daemons which threaten to swallow entire worlds into the warp-- they do so with a stoic bravery that just feels lacking in other Marines, whom often fight out of rage, or pride, or simple joy in fighting, or wanting to leave their mark on history. The Grey Knights fight knowing they will not be remembered for what they do. They fight-- and win-- because they must, for the sake of all humanity.

And it is awesome. Where I feel the majority of Marine fluff fails, the lore of the Grey Knights succeeds.

But let's face it, their codex sucks. I mean Necron level of suck. There's very few options-- hell, not even a single fast attack option, just an option for "you can deep strike your troops choice as a fast attack unit, but they can't score anymore". The only reason they're not down there next to Necrons despite having an equally bad codex, competition-wise, is because their fluff is awesome. Their limited options are limited even further because a few of their choices are very weak, and this is due to more than just the age of the codex... they weren't necessarily all that powerful even back when they were created. The units that ARE good are hampered by the fact that they need support from the units which aren't. Winning with a purist Grey Knights army is difficult to say the least, and adding in Inquisitorial Stormtroopers dramatically increases their overall kill points while reducing their overall survivability. They have few upgrade options, and the ones that are there don't really cover their weaknesses very well.

Perhaps because of this, their codex is scheduled to go after Dark Eldar. To wax poetic, I look towards spring in far more ways than one. May the new codex be as awesome as all of the fifth edition codices have been thus far.

See, I've never liked the Daemonhunters for the 'super-man' feel the Grey Knights have. I don't know, I guess I just like flaws. You make a lot of good points though.

Agree completely about the deamon hunters, their "we don't need to be remembered or honored just victorious." outlook is incredibly badass and rather like the old knights in stores, the ones who'll ride in, kill the monster, rescue the damsel and then leave without bothering with the reward.

Agree completely with your assessment of the Grey Knights. It's why I started a Grey Knight army (entirely converted though it is) of my own.

However, I never expect to win with them!

A point I feel i should make in regards to the grey knights being sucky, is that back when they where released allies where a perfectly viable strategy, and you could boost your imperial force with a small amount of these elite warriors and have their shortcomings covered by the strengths of the other codex.

But now that the core game has moved on, and now most people i play wont let me take Allies, simply because they don't want me to have that strength (Although they claim its because the rules don't support it) even though i have a perfectly fluffily reason for having them.

To clarify, i agree that pure deamon hunter forces are weak and were so back when they were released, but they were incredible when taken as support in other forces.

I find that Grey Knights look awesome but are actually the thinest of all fluff-wise.
One could argue that Space Marines aren't even people but just living weapons. I don't buy that usually. Space Wolves have a lot of personality and even the taciturn Ultramarines do too.
However, i do with the Grey Knights. They're not even people just weapons that are pointed at the enemy then mind wiped afterwards.

Ever read any of the Grey Knights books? They're not bad, and they give the Ordo Malleus and the Grey Knights specifically a lot of character that isn't included in their codex.

Very true. I really enjoyed the Grey Knight novels.

SaintHazard wrote:Ever read any of the Grey Knights books? They're not bad, and they give the Ordo Malleus and the Grey Knights specifically a lot of character that isn't included in their codex.

I'm sure they must otherwise it would be a pretty boring book but I'm sure I would just feel the entire time that they were just trying to add in some character for that purpose. Grey Knights have no lives! Don't neccesarily mean that in a bad way its what makes them such exceptional Deamon-Vanquisher guys. Their almost non-existant existance is what supposedly makes them impervious to the corruptions of the infernal powers.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:I'm sure they must otherwise it would be a pretty boring book but I'm sure I would just feel the entire time that they were just trying to add in some character for that purpose. Grey Knights have no lives! Don't neccesarily mean that in a bad way its what makes them such exceptional Deamon-Vanquisher guys. Their almost non-existant existance is what supposedly makes them impervious to the corruptions of the infernal powers.

/shrug

Book, cover, judging, all that. Should still give'em a try. Next time you're at your friendly local bookstore, pick up the Grey Knights Omnibus, have ye a grand ole time.

I maintain that you will enjoy the Grey Knights more after reading the novels.

Wow, the Grey Knights books are probably my least favorite out of the BL novels. I know it's fashionable to hate C.S. Goto, but I'd take him over Ben Counter any day of the week.

Methinks they are very cool. The elite of the elite of the elite of the elite.
The better than the best of the best. If Terminators are supposedly these stomping gods among men on a battlefield to a regular marine, who is in turn a stomping god among men to a guardsman, what do you call what a Terminator would call a god amongst Terminators? It's like double supersizing an already supersized soft drink. But yeah. Heck yeah. Their rules currently make them laughably outclassed on a tabletop. Codex creep has just outdone them in just about every way. Use as allies to the pathetic 4th ed. Guard book is a thing of the past now too, so other than for aesthetic fluffy reasons, they just don't pull their weight as much as a regular marine chapter, let alone the supposed super-super soldiers they are supposed to be.