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baron deathnyx wrote:If anybody has just read Jes's design story of the talos on GW website he mentions that there will be a coven unit for DE.

Can't find that text ATM, but coven unit just means a unit for Haemunculi covens that means Grotesques or Wracks.

Soo Kroothawk, I'm a little confused. You are saying that there will be no wracks or grotesques for the second release? But what does that leave us? Just the Haemonculi for later June? Or are the fighter/bomber supposed to be apart of the second release?

June 18th eh..? Soon..soon..

I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting.

Here the retailer newsletter that BolS posted on scribd (with 3 better pics of the Razorwing and all official prices):
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55396104?access_key=key-1hmlw8mdvfbdz4593q8t

On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

Those pictures make me want to buy the razorwing even more... Oh look, there's the bandwagon. Hey! Wait for me!

Well, there goes the theory - as nice as it was - about the Razorwing also being a kit for CW Eldar...

I expected the Razorwing to be the same price as the Valkyrie/Stormraven, but according to that link it's "only" 32,50

Last page of that retailer newsletter: "Show customers how to add warriors of the Haemonculus Covens to their Dark Eldar armies." - Perhaps this DOES mean more Coven troops to come?? I wouldn't expect a note like that for just the Talos/Chronos...


Unless they count Scourges as "Coven" because the Haemys have to make them? Even then...I dunno.

DraconicGuardian wrote:Last page of that retailer newsletter: "Show customers how to add warriors of the Haemonculus Covens to their Dark Eldar armies." - Perhaps this DOES mean more Coven troops to come?? I wouldn't expect a note like that for just the Talos/Chronos...


Unless they count Scourges as "Coven" because the Haemys have to make them? Even then...I dunno.

I dont think we can read too much into that... Personally I think they're trying to show people how to justify units that have been haemy raped (scourges, talos etc as you say) into a Kabalite or Wych Army where Haemy units may not be considered as being "in theme" to the gamer.

There'll be more concrete rumours / images / What New Today hints and posts when the Wracks etc are coming out as that will be a MASSIVE release with a huge amount of gamer anticipation, with it being the 3rd and final aspect to the race. I dont think we'll see them yet, maybe August if the rumoured resin delay comes true. I guess we'll see more character releases around this time too, there must be a Vect due, I'm sure of it.

Note that this is entirely speculation on my point, I have nothing to back any of this up, its just guess work.

Just Dave wrote:Well, there goes the theory - as nice as it was - about the Razorwing also being a kit for CW Eldar...

Guess we have to change that rumour as with the jetbike:
Designed together on the computer with only minor differences, but released years apart just because they can.

TBD wrote:I expected the Razorwing to be the same price as the Valkyrie/Stormraven, but according to that link it's "only" 32,50

I really don't think it'll be only $32.50. That's just..too cheap.

Anyone else see a skaven abom here?

Kroothawk wrote:
On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger. The chrystal pod could easily consist of a few optional parts - a relatively simply way of differentiating the 2 types (apart from the missiles, of course). I think it's very unlikely that GW have gone to the expense of producing 2 entirely different large aircraft kits for the DE. Still, the fact that the Razorwing kit doesn't include any such parts would suggest that either they have done 2 different kits, or that they are going to stick some extra parts in the Voidraven kit and charge more for it (as they've done with the Ravager).

Tailgunner wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger. The chrystal pod could easily consist of a few optional parts - a relatively simply way of differentiating the 2 types (apart from the missiles, of course). I think it's very unlikely that GW have gone to the expense of producing 2 entirely different large aircraft kits for the DE. Still, the fact that the Razorwing kit doesn't include any such parts would suggest that either they have done 2 different kits, or that they are going to stick some extra parts in the Voidraven kit and charge more for it (as they've done with the Ravager).

Or there could be a Voidraven upgrade kit like the BW kit with the deff rolla.

+1 to Tailgunner. The fluff text mentions nothing about the Voidraven being a larger aircraft. It says it shares many similarities in design and carries a far larger payload. That doesn't mean that it's not a far larger aircraft, but it certainly doesn't mean that it is either. Until a kit comes out for the Voidraven, I'll be using Razorwings with appropriate weapondry for my Voidravens.

Kroothawk wrote:I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting

Scarab Prince? Now my Archon is going to need another title...

InventionThirteen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting

Scarab Prince? Now my Archon is going to need another title...

Lord of the Dark...things..

Gloommeister

Looks @ price of Razorwing Kit....

Yup, I'll take three.

Is it just me or ar ethe Dark Eldar models generally coming in at fairly reasonable prices. for GW?

Maybe they've realized that you can only jack the prices for so long, and are easing off a bit. Unlikely , but i'll take what hope i can get

(please do not devolve into GW Hate thread)

Tailgunner wrote:The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger.

Codex Dark Eldar wrote:... it carries a far larger and more deadly payload than its smaller cousin.

Ascalam wrote:Is it just me or ar ethe Dark Eldar models generally coming in at fairly reasonable prices. for GW?

Maybe they've realized that you can only jack the prices for so long, and are easing off a bit. Unlikely , but i'll take what hope i can get

(please do not devolve into GW Hate thread)

Beast packs.....

The metals are not cheap. The incubi and mandrakes add up too.

It may be that DE are such a model intensive army. You need a ton of vehicles, nothing can walk.

The plastics do seem to be a good price though. wyches and warriors are $2.50 each while hellions and scourges are $5 each. Really nice.

It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

Ascalam wrote:It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

Maybe GW is on the mend....

The razorwing doesnt cost $32.50
It is 32.50 EUROS so the kit will be about $45

Although I do agree that most of the dark eldar stuff is pretty reasonable

I figured it was in euro's or Pounds. Still $45 isn't that bad, I was assuming $60.

45 USD is cheaper than a Ravager, which makes the Razorwing quite tempting indeed...

$45 USD is cheaper than the Valkyrie.

This makes me sad.

Ascalam wrote:It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

I've noted this before, but my thought is that GW felt a lot of pressure, since they must have invested major resources in redesigning literally the entire DE line, so they may have priced the kits aggressively, rather then face the possibility of the release not going over well. Remember, the DE line had, until the new release, been very old and very rare to be played.

There is definitely a price structure at work that is more reasonable then other lines, comparing plastic to plastic to plastic;

Warriors and Wyches are both $24.75 for 10; this compares very favorably to either Eldar Guardians or Dire Avengers at $33.00 for 10. This means there is a full 25% discount built in to the price of the unit. The DE Scourges at $25 are among the cheapest jump infantry in the game, and I don't think there is any question that they are heads and shoulders above any other models in their category in terms of quality.

What makes this so strange is, if I'm right and they "priced DE to move", it would mean that they are, at least on some level, aware that price matters... A notion that seems at odds, shall we say, with their standard operating procedure.

The Razorwing is pretty reasonable for its price. Nowhere as large and bulky as Valkyrie.

Kroothawk wrote:
... it carries a far larger and more deadly payload than its smaller cousin.

*sigh* I guess it's time to get my glasses checked.

I'm still betting it's the same basic kit, only with a different nose. But the question is wide open. A look at the Razorwing sprues might indicate whether this is right.