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Sidstyler wrote:

No, it just means people run out of money faster and can't get the new releases that they might have actually wanted once they do finally hit shelves. GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is, especially in the case of the razorwing. Almost nothing but praise, even for the price which is VERY RARE for a GW model, which has probably guaranteed quite a bit of sales from people who weren't interested before (like me), and that's a bad thing? A model they're releasing has proven to be very popular, and this is "the last straw", this is unacceptable for them?

It actually makes sense. If I had no idea about new releases. And said, hmmm I really want another raider, I will buy one. And so I do buy one. Then the new releases come out and boom! Its amazing I love it. Have to have it. Well, if it is so good, I will certainly get it. And I am sure GW doesn't mind if I break my budget to do so.(Though the missus might )
Its not that they think we have access to unlimited money. Its just that they are well aware of the fact that most of their customers have access to more money. Which we do.

I am also sure that GW is more than happy to sell models that have perhaps lost their pizazz. Because people will have a while to continue to be excited about the new goodies.

That's it? THAT'S the reason they won't show us anything? Because they're afraid we're going to save up for it?! Has it seriously never occurred to them that they're making far more money back on a 'rumored' item than they could possibly be losing on sales they might have made otherwise? Or maybe if people don't know what GW has coming, they'll blow their allowance on something completely non-GW related instead? Like we all have nothing better to spend money on besides GW toys...

The 'GW suicide model' (as it shall come to be known) is like a self-inflicted shogun blast to the penis. They're making their own death as horrible and painful as they possibly can, for no reason other than to spite. . . themselves?

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

"That, is why GW fails..." - Yoda, a casual gamer.

As much as I like them, I will probably be getting the battle force so I have a playable army for my friend's campaign this summer. If he helps me out fiscally (Ill probably paint some of his stuff) Then I might be able to grab a couple Haemonculi.

So do you think the higher ups at GW ever took Marketing 101?

If anyone gets incubi / etc in resin, I'd love to see pics...

Word is that the resin is soft and easy to work with? I'm hoping this redeems the grotesques, but their stance and torso positions are so fundamentally jacked around, it seems it might still be hard to make the look decent without being Michelangelo with the green stuff...

I picked up a box of the Mandrakes, I honestly don't see any major differance between the new resin and other brands. It's a bit more durable than the stuff forgeworld uses but not by much. Overall it's very nice stuff to work with much better than the metal, and the casting is quite good, most of the threads people have posted have some really rough miscasts that I didn't see present on any of the blisters I was sorting through.

The quality is on par with FW stuff, with the exception that the mold lines are way better. FW models in my experience tend to have a lot of mold slip and really bad mold lines, the fine cast stuff seems to have fixed that pretty well. They do have some small bubbles on some of the models. On my Mandrakes one of the guys only has two toes and each of the models has some microbubbles on the right hand so the fingers are all slightly damaged. But given my experience with resin that's a very common occurance as the parts are really tiny, none of them are deformed enough to be unuseable but they will all require a slight bit of touch up with greenstuff.

On of the librarians I saw in the store had some issues with the power cables on his staff having some voids due to bubbles, but I looked at maybe 30 os so blisters and only two models had apparent flaws, so overall they are pretty solid casts. And that's coming from a very detail focused snob like me

In my opinion I think they came out great for the most part, but I am a very experienced modeller and used to the difficulties of working with resin. I'm not sure how great of a choice it'd be for the average 12-14 year old gamer however. I do realize that many of the kids may not notice or even care about the finer details as they are just getting the models to use for table top play and not high end modelling or painting. I realize that it may not have been a feasible option but I would have preferred if they'd kept the metal around for when you want a tablestandard model and then having finecast available for the more diehard modellers.

They were $33 which is a bit steep, the old models were $25 if I recall correctly? Being that the cause for the switch away from metals is that resin is cheaper to produce I'm not entirely sure why the price hike. They should have kept the price where it was at as they'd already be coming out ahead... but GW never misses a chance to drive their prices endlessly up. Finecast is a fairly solid product quality wise but I do think they are going to end up slowing a lot of their sales due to the higher cost.

Heh Marb..i mean Rambo ftw

I hadn't seen anyone do it yet. I had to.

3 out of the 5 models:




The microbubbles, and other normal stuff for resin like the weapons being slightly bent which can be corrected with hot water.

Ewww, thats pretty bad. what are we supposed to do? Resculpt the feet entirely from GS?

Apparently, yeah. So stop whining and "deal with it", ingrate!

Seriously though, I hope for their sake they sort this gak out quick. I half expect some kind of special announcement on Monday addressing the sheer number of miscasts, but since GW won't admit they ever do anything wrong I'm guessing that probably won't happen and we'll just get more bs about how these models are bigger than Jesus.

Deal with it Pualson GAmes!

3 GW minis is still cheaper than an air gun i think!

warhammer ftw yay~

Thanks for posting that, Paulson Games!

RiTides wrote:If anyone gets incubi / etc in resin, I'd love to see pics...

Ask and it shall be so!

So here are some of my new Incubi. First off, my camera sucks. I'm trying to get a new one ASAP. However...









At first blush, the new resin is exactly as advertised. Strangely soft and pliable, but prone to snap like the GW plastic if you push too far. I - like many posters - tried being gentle with a file and found it was okay, but the big risk is filing away the entire figure, because they are not tough.

I had not miscasts (that I've caught so far) and remarkably few mold lines. I told the owner of my FLGS that I wasn't buying them until I saw them, and thankfully they were fine, because he didn't seem all that inclined to give me a refund...

Overall my biggest worries are heat and handling. I think a hot summer day could melt this stuff. Also, the blades and back-banner things are SUPER fragile. If this hits the ground or someone knocks into it with a metal figure, it could break in a second.

My favorite things were how easy they went together. The super glue works like a charm on these, and the assembled one went together in minutes. The flash came off mostly easy and I was able to build one in no time. the metal Incubi were so horrible I stopped building them. I'm going to sell them now, just to be rid of the things.

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On a separate note, I did see someone else building the Archon in the store. He showed me the Huskblade, and when he waved the arm back and forth, the Huskblade wiggled. It was really flimsy...

Sidstyler wrote:

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is..

Rationing. It all 'makes sense' if you think you are a monopoly. No one will run out of money or 'spend to fast'. The assumption is we have no choice, so we are fed and we consume. If they give us too much at once or we make a choice (to wait for something else) they lose money as we only can eat so much at a time...or (god forbid) we get used to too much (we eat a lot at once) and we seek other options to satisfy what they cannot provide at that moment. It' the time honored principle of tyrants and monopolies - ration and keep 'em just slightly hungry.

How much for the metal Incubi? I'm collecting them from people. Thx.

yeah,

Sheck2 wrote:... It' the time honored principle of tyrants and monopolies - ration and keep 'em just slightly hungry.

works on me. I want more right now.
Panic...

I took the box back to the local bunker which exchanged it. I gave the box a quick look over and it was better than the first but there were still a few minor bubble problems. None of these were major and could easily be corrected with a dab of superglue or greenstuff. I'm still a bit irritated as it required a second trip back for marginal models, not the sterling quality that GW is advertising finecast as being.

I took some on the sprue shots which I'd skipped last time.





The bubbles on the new box:








The bubbles were still occuring in the same places, hands and toes so I know it's likely a result of the mold and not just a singular miscast. From my personal casting experience I know it'd take only a few seconds of work to prevent this using a light dusting of Talc powder on the molds which helps wick the resin to the surface and eliminate fine bubbles. This is an easily correctable problem which is why I'm not to happy with the purchase. (with the previous experience compounding it)

I apreciate the fact that the store was able to exchange the box, however it's not something I should have to chase around fixing, they are billing finecast as a superior quality product and in my experience it's proving no better than the metals. My biggest suggestion is make sure you go over every mini in the store before leaving and if you find a problem immediately exchange it or return it.

I had been planning on purchasing enough Mandrakes to fill out two full units, with future plans of purchasing enough Talos engines and Wracks to fill out a flesh cult list. I no longer intend to be doing so, with the increased cost of the models and downgrade in quality I really can't justify spending money on those. This is why GW just isn't cutting it for me anymore, had the quality upheld their BS hype campaign claims I had planned on buying 3 more boxes of mandrakes, 3 talos engines and at least 8 boxes of wracks. That's $500 in sales they just lost, purchases that will be going to Privateer Press, I will be buying cephalyx overlords and thralls to use as stand in models for the wracks and I will piece together the talos engines out of warjacks.

I gave it a shot and I'm disappointed enough I don't see any reason to use fine cast to fill core unit slots. The quality level is not what they have been promoting, GW just keeps f'ing up their stuff and I'm done with them. There are plenty of other options out there (and less expensive)



Privateer's Cephalyx Slaver Box - $33 for 6 guys, without dubious casts? Yes Please!

Ok, dont have the patience to go through the other half of this thread. All Im going to say is:

The Talos/Cronos looks massive!!! Makes me like it even more!

The venom is great and cheap.

The Scourges look good a really cheap! Pity it would be hard to spam 1 particular weapon at a time, only getting 1 of each in a box.

Battleforce - nothing unexpected.

Razorwing - Ridiculously happy that came out. When can I get one!?!?!

Wracks - Look great, dont know if I'll fork out to replace my 20 old mandrake models im using all at once!

Grotesque - cool but dont use them.

Haem - definately would need to be very reposeable but nice.

Resin in general - Nicer cut and good sharp deepness to it, but I dont like the flashing that you still get with it. Plastic is still the best!

A vehicle the size of a deffkopta is cheap at $30? The raider is the same price :( The Venom is about $10 more expensive than i wanted it to be

Scourges are awesome. I want plenty

Battleforce is ok. Does nothing for me, but then i'm a coven fan.

Razorwing is fabulous. Nothing at all to complain about there, even the price

Grosesques look ok, but not quite what i visualized. If they can get the resin issues sorted out i might pick up some.

Grosesque is ..ok.. but only one variant and resin kind of kills it for me.

Haem is pretty good. I would have liked it better in plastic.

Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

Hey, it's cool: their feet are wrapped up.

If anyone's interested I posted a crappy review of the incubi in the other Finecast thread...no pics though, but just imagine they look something like Obiwan's but with more of that thin flash.

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

I don’t think they even have faces anymore, so pants are the least of their troubles.

I’ll let you know though when my box arrives (yes, I ordered some Crix models).

it looks to me like fine cast isn't what it's all hyped to be. with all those missing toes and bubbles.

It seems like a small thing to complain about, but it's really god-damned annoying, and at the price you're paying it's too much to ignore or just "deal with". I'm lucky I didn't get anything quite that bad in my incubi box or I'd have been pissed.

I know it's a couple of toes, but I'm not a sculptor. If I were I wouldn't be buying models since at this point it would probably be cheaper to just sculpt and cast my own, lol.

This Finecast fiasco reminds me of the GW plastic terrain Space Wreckage debacle. The one that was advertised as looking beautifully cut with crisp edges and discernible bits of shattered debris and crumbled earth... but the actual plastic product looked like a blob of mud? I'd link it, but it appears they swept that under the rug... If I recall correctly, H.B.M.C. lead the vanguard of outrage against it. (Not even the GW painters could get the actual model to look acceptable.)

Something has to change with Finecast. Either the quality goes way up, or the price goes way down. People won't pay top dollar for gakky, inferior product.

Paulson, the talos is plastic...


Thanks for the incubi pics, scotty!