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RiTides wrote:Paulson, the talos is plastic...

Right, but I decided I'm not going to mix lines for the flesh cult as it'd clash visually (and GW has pissed me off plenty). Since wracks won't be an option due to them being only available in crappy "finecast" I've cancelled my pre-orders of the talos kits as well.

I'll build a Talos stand-in from PP parts to use alongside their Cephalyx models, hell maybe I'll sculpt something from scratch

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

They feel no pain

Kroothawk wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

They feel no pain

Guess they like to feel the breeze though.

I hate pinning, but I think, on balance, that I'd prefer the hassle of pinning than the hassle of sculpting new fingers and toes on every mini. :(

Tailgunner wrote:Given how much PP has borrowed from GW, I think that's a fair exchange. And yes I know GW have taken ideas from lots of other sources.

Care to expand on what PP have borrowed from GW, Tailgunner? I'm curious, as I don't recall seeing anything that screams at me "I was stolen from 40k!!1!" in the PP line.

infinite_array wrote:GW's definitely the front runner when it comes to the actual miniatures

I've got to disagree with this, i_a - on pure quality of sculpts, there are quite a few ranges which out-do GW, Studio McVey resin being a prime example. From wha I've seen, the Sedition Wars metals are up there too. For an entire gaming range, Anima Tactics is another that I'd place ahead of GW.

Tailgunner wrote:Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

Cephalyx Slave and Drudge Mind Slaves were released alongside WARMACHINE: Legends, which was published in 2008 (and we're still waiting on a Mercenary contract/theme force that can use these "Allies".....)
Cephalyx Overlords (the three-man unit) were also released alongside WARMACHINE: Legends

Grotesques wrote:Total, utter, infallible, complete, in totality, mind numbingly, CRAP!!!!! TERRIBLE!!!!!! AWFUL!!!!!! GARBAGE!!!!!! Nice single pose mini for $33 bucks. *LMFAO* ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I'd rather bash my face into the wall than EVER buy that model.

So, it's safe to say that you're not a fan, then? I'll just put you down for the one squad, then.....

Alpharius wrote:The Alchemists of Dirz were one of the more bizarre (and awesome!) factions in Confrontation, a beautiful miniature line that died twice.

They were certainly bizarre, but I preferred the Tir-na-bor myself. Unfortunately, I don't recall them getting released in the second attemt at Confrontation :(

paulson games wrote:I had been planning on purchasing enough Mandrakes to fill out two full units, with future plans of purchasing enough Talos engines and Wracks to fill out a flesh cult list. I no longer intend to be doing so, with the increased cost of the models and downgrade in quality I really can't justify spending money on those. This is why GW just isn't cutting it for me anymore, had the quality upheld their BS hype campaign claims I had planned on buying 3 more boxes of mandrakes, 3 talos engines and at least 8 boxes of wracks. That's $500 in sales they just lost, purchases that will be going to Privateer Press, I will be buying cephalyx overlords and thralls to use as stand in models for the wracks and I will piece together the talos engines out of warjacks.

I gave it a shot and I'm disappointed enough I don't see any reason to use fine cast to fill core unit slots. The quality level is not what they have been promoting, GW just keeps f'ing up their stuff and I'm done with them. There are plenty of other options out there (and less expensive)

I don't really blame you. To be fair, though, the Talos is frigging awesome and in plastic. I love mine (almost done painting)!

I'm in the same boat with Wracks and Haemonculi. I want to order some, but I'm afraid of getting a seriously miscast box of Wracks by mail...

@Foo
This is my biggest concern. I have faith that the majority of models are well cast enough and have no significant problems. I am however concerned that if I order by mail, I may have difficulty in making returns if it is not directly from GW.

Dysartes wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The Alchemists of Dirz were one of the more bizarre (and awesome!) factions in Confrontation, a beautiful miniature line that died twice.

They were certainly bizarre, but I preferred the Tir-na-bor myself. Unfortunately, I don't recall them getting released in the second attemt at Confrontation :(

Tir-Na-Bor only died once, like most fractions. The prepainted Confrontation game died too quickly for them to be released.
Otherwise I would have bought tons of Ashigaru goblins

Ah, I see, Paulson Games! I'm sure you're capable of scratch sculpting whatever you want, anyway

For myself, that's the reason I'll stomach the wracks/incubi being finecast- I don't need many, and I want the whole army to "match" and not mix ranges.

If anyone's interested: Here's the Talos I painted for my local store.

Highly recommend the model. It's great.

Foo, that Talos looks incredible!

And THIS is why I'll still be building my DE army . The plastic kits are totally fantastic!

Nice clean and simple paintjob, too

Thanks, guys. It's really great model and the parts are set up such that you can easily convert between the Talos and Cronos if you wish (minus the mosquito head on the Cronos).

More pics are in my thread if you're interested.

I like the drug bottles hanging everywhere :'D

Actually, it's Diet Coke

Kroothawk wrote:Actually, it's Diet Coke

If i had the skills to, i would have all those drug injectors painted as different name brand soft drink cans.

RedBull and mountain dew?

LunaHound wrote:If i had the skills to, i would have all those drug injectors painted as different name brand soft drink cans.

RedBull and mountain dew?

Dark Eldar Wrack: "I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew! I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!"

Well thats a whole new way for me to look at Dark Eldar! What is seen can not be unseen!

I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

It's not pop, but Egg Waaagh.

Squigonade?

Coca Defrolla?

Hm, i as jus thinking about it, and realized...

I dont hate the new Wrack models. They are nice, cool indeed (even being "finecost"), my problem with them is: they dont look like wracks.

When you talk about wracks i remember the word "wreck", and them, visualize a living mindless weapon, made by some haemonculus with the first "spare parts" (read slaves) he have around. Its not to diferent from a empirean tech-servitor, only with better finesse and biotechnology.

So, when i imagine wracks, they are not like those posing vilains with daring weapons, they are like weak minions, zombie-alike. Those models are not bad, but dont look like wracks. Anyway, if i would buy any, it would be for converting some haemonculi. At least, for the first time, GW are selling 5 HQ for 30 U$

About all this new wave, the plastics are good and sweet at all, but the "finecost", is ugly and dumb (except the said wracks, who give great wracks). The Grotesque is wrong, and Haemonculi is darn bad. Thank you GW, you saved me some bucks as now i will not feel compeled to make an haemunculus cult army, at least not with your models...

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Red Boy - it makes you go fasta

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Red Boy - it makes you go fasta

Right on!

@The Fragile Breath: What it refer to?

@Warboss Gutrip: Nice!

@ The Dark Wolf- I think I might get the old haemonculi (they're on GW's HQ page for DE) instead of the new ones... old ones have a bit of charm to them. Since I'll be using some of the wracks as, well, wracks I can't use them for haemonculi conversions...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, i as jus thinking about it, and realized...

I dont hate the new Wrack models. They are nice, cool indeed (even being "finecost"), my problem with them is: they dont look like wracks.

When you talk about wracks i remember the word "wreck", and them, visualize a living mindless weapon, made by some haemonculus with the first "spare parts" (read slaves) he have around. Its not to diferent from a empirean tech-servitor, only with better finesse and biotechnology.

So, when i imagine wracks, they are not like those posing vilains with daring weapons, they are like weak minions, zombie-alike. Those models are not bad, but dont look like wracks.

I think the issue is how you imagine Wracks being isn't how they are described in the fluff, they do look like they should. Compare the models with the pictures in the codex, they are amost spot on. Wraks aren't meant to be weak, they are masterpieces of the haemonculi's fethed up art and designed to be incredibly resiliant killing machines. Just because they are smaller than Grotesque's or a Talos/Cronus doesn't mean the haemonculi make them weak and disposable, what would be the point in their extensive body modification if they werent going to make the end product any stronger than what you started with?

That said, I don't see why one would be stood posing with a he rifle like the one pictured does though .

What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

They suffer from the same disease as benjamin button

MagickalMemories wrote:What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

It doesn't exactly say that. It says that they're mostly volunteers giving up their boring (by DE standards) lives to get crazily modified and mutated as a way of staving off boredom and leaving their old lives behind. Some of them may wish to one day be a Coven lord themselves and they're willing to undergo anything to do so.

It's not like Haemonculi are physically perfect specimens, after all. Maybe when you stop pumping them full of the growth hormones and crazy science formulas, a wrack pretty much looks like a Haemi.

I think the point is that the Wracks are so tragically sycophantic that they'll do anything to become a Haemonculus' pupil or even a Haemonculus himself one day. Of course they are nothing more than guinea pigs to the Haemoncului.