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BrotherHaraldus wrote:I fully agree that this is what the marines would be like, but as you all know they have been pushed down quite a bit [...]

Oh boy. Have you people even read the article in question? There's a reason it's called Movie Marines and not Fluff Marines.

SpankHammer III wrote:SNIP

Then why are you in this thread or even botherng to debate if you have this opinion? To be able to debate this kind of topics we have to apply Suspension of Disbelief and try to find some consistency and rationalize the inconsistencies.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Though I do agree autoguns would basically be modern rifles.

I think that they have higher calibers and are said to be caseless.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Lasguns in the novels are like power armor. Their strength is proportionate to their need to advance the storyline.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Gree wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Lasguns in the novels are like power armor. Their strength is proportionate to their need to advance the storyline.

Actually in this case the Gaunt’s Ghosts books conveniently explains that lasguns have variable power settings. Dark Heresy has the same thing but adds a variety of different models to lasguns.

The Gaunt's Ghosts books are also terrible. So I guess that does make sense.

Its canon so get over it. Just because you dislike smething doesn't mean its not canon and fact. For example, I dislike the NewCron codex but I don't go spewing it bad and not true to fluff etc.

Multiple sources everywhere have stated that Lasguns can have variable settings and their powerpacks themselves can be varible in that there are different types and there are also different types of Lasguns.

All of you guys should read Connors Lasgun analysis and decide for yourself whether you think he's right or wrong. Here: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=150910


Here's my opinion of Space Marines:

I hate them! Why you ask? Because of the never ending bitching they cause from all sides of the 40k fandom. On one side you have for example; Lynata who yearns for consistency, rules and stats ruling over all and a return to older fluff of 2nd edition and whatever older edition etc, on another you have alien fans who hate their side being used as Bolter porn to show how awesome Marines are and dispute Marines being all powerful etc and on the other end you have Marine fanboys who well do what fanboys do for their toys.

I say its all GW's fault .

I say to hell with the SM's(Both Chaos and loyal) and hell even the Tau. To me its the Imperial Guard and Inquisition who rule! Don't get me wrong I like Orks but at the end of the day, I just love the IG and respect and fear the Inquisition.

Lynata wrote:

BrotherHaraldus wrote:I fully agree that this is what the marines would be like, but as you all know they have been pushed down quite a bit [...]

Oh boy. Have you people even read the article in question? There's a reason it's called Movie Marines and not Fluff Marines.

I meant that normal 40k marines is pushed down for game balance, not "movie marines".


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@ The movie marine profile, that is absolutely not what they would be like if they were like fiction.

They would be almost identical to what they are now, but with some special rules maybe to help make them more flexible.

S6 is ridiculous. As is W2. As is T6.

Sly Marbo, who kills armies, wouldn't be able to kill one. And in the fluff, he most assuredly COULD kill them. Also, Bolters S6 makes no sense. Making them almost as strong as plasma is just stupid.

Yeah, but Sly Marbo would also be a lot tougher if he was like the fiction. The movie marines are only slightly over the top because Marines are described as OTT by themselves.

BrotherHaraldus wrote:
I meant that normal 40k marines is pushed down for game balance, not "movie marines".

Well, in that case I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but that post really read as if you'd advocate the Movie Marines statline you posted as "fluffy". For some fiction it would be appropriate, there I can agree, as some Marine fiction is just as over the top as the Movie Marine rules. Though I suppose almost every army has some novels where the protagonists appear like that - it's quite simply the "hero bonus".

Veteran Sergeant wrote:The movie marines are only slightly over the top

The article flat out states that it ignores physical realities and makes liberal use of exaggeration for the sake of epicness. I'd say that is far from "slightly". But of course it all comes down to one's own interpretation. Personally, I know what has to be able to kill a Marine in the fluff, so that is a good indicator that they cannot be far from where they are now.

Tbh, the only thing I'd change would be to give them a second wound to make them harder to kill.