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CSM getting redone would be nice, Iv wanted to do a noise marine army for a while but the current rules are a bit meh.

Tau getting redone would be cool also, although I dont play against them much each time I have they have been very meh.

Daemon codex getting rolled into codex CSM? Doubt it.

Brother SRM wrote: 3 wounds for Crisis Suits doesn't seem amazing considering they still get ID'd by batltecannons and missile launchers.

And they'll hype it as a revolution.

Don't say we Tyranids didn't warn you in advance. Look at Mr Tyranid Warrior over there. They gave him 3 wounds AND took away his ID immunity. Jolly good.

Crisis suits with three wounds would be a disaster, with the amount of S8+ ID causing weapons around.

Tyranids at least can get Synapse from various other units than Warriors.

The way forwards with Crisis suits is to make them a bit cheaper or better for the current price and more plentiful, not "better" and more expensive.

Yeah, I sure hope GW doesn't boost Crisis Suits to 50 points a pop and justify it with 3 wounds. There's way too much Str8 in the current metagame. It would be nice if Crisis Suits were T5.

IMO, GW should leave Crisis Suits as they are, but implement more weapon options at a lower point cost. Range Str8 shooting is must! Str7 doesn't cut it anymore.

I think T5 Crisis Suits would be great, and I'm pretty okay with their amount of S7. There's fusion guns for S8 anywho, and if you give them ranged anti-tank they're eking in on Broadside territory.

If the missile pod was ap - S8 i would be happy, just because my suits don't have to worry about annoying grey knights. I still have nothing to get rid of daemon princes. They're to fast for my suits!

If they then gave them 3W, they need to get better I saves as a default or make them T5 so that we arnt paying for something that wont help us.

ap- s8 hell no!!
I use that ap4 and quite a lot, there are more then enough situation where it comes in handy. (yes ther are other armes out there but space marines. -.-)
+what you gonna do about those transports and walkers with ap-?...

t5 would be a welcome change : )
But that migh make the suits a bit too strong.. (or too expansive)

IPS wrote:
t5 would be a welcome change : )
But that migh make the suits a bit too strong.. (or too expansive)

They're S5/T4, just swap those values and keep the points the same. Never understood the S5 on a model that melts if someone waves a sword at it in anger anyway....

Well, the s5 in close comat CAN be devastating as well...
Allways good for some wtf effect. (especially when combined with the commander)

But still t5 would be much more usefull, and probably over powerd without a cost increase.

Ledabot wrote:If the missile pod was ap - S8 i would be happy, just because my suits don't have to worry about annoying grey knights. I still have nothing to get rid of daemon princes. They're to fast for my suits!

If they then gave them 3W, they need to get better I saves as a default or make them T5 so that we arnt paying for something that wont help us.

Then it would actually be worse at killing vehicles, since it's AP-, and that's a bad bad thing.

Making Crisis Suits T5 for the same points they're at right now wouldn't be overpowered at all. It would make them a little more resilient to small arms fire, and they'd still get wounded by anything with significant firepower. They could still be doubled out by demolisher cannons and the like.

Actually T5 would make good sense and justify the points much more than T4 and W3.

Just wondering what are the rumours on the codex's release date, if any? I've been hearing conflicting reports saying the next codex will be Black Templar to follow the Imperial/Non-Imperial pattern.

acekevin8412 wrote:Just wondering what are the rumours on the codex's release date, if any? I've been hearing conflicting reports saying the next codex will be Black Templar to follow the Imperial/Non-Imperial pattern.

There's no such thing as a Imperial/Non-Imperial pattern. The releases have been in the following order:

InInIInnIIInnnnnIInIInInnIInnnIIInInIIn

with n for Non-Imperial and I for Imperial. We got a brief appearance of that pattern just after the release of 3rd edition and again recently from the SW release through GK. But, neither time has that pattern lasted any more than 5 codexes in a row.

And, in fact, we had a patter of nnnnn that lasted just as long. So, it's equally valid to say that GW's pattern is to ONLY release non-Imperial codexes.

I've only just got into the hobby so I wasn't aware a trend existed at all. Was just wondering. Thanks.

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Kroothawk just did a better job in forwarding rumours than me.

Bad quoting puts this out of context. Actually ghost said this (with corrected spelling)

ghost21 wrote:

Tokamak wrote:That's one hell of a big release.

Not really. There will only be 4 boxes and 4 blisters in wave 1

Tastyfish wrote:In that case I'd guess for the plastic sets;

Demiurg squad (+ maybe elite option)
Battlesuits (+maybe Broadside & Sniper varient)
(...)

finecast
Demiurg ancient
New special character
(...)

That much I can give you

Meaning that there will be one Demiurg and one Crisis Suit plastic box plus two others. And there will be one finecast Demiurg ancient and another special character plus two other finecast blisters. And a new vespid kit (plastic or finecast) and an alien non-Kroot transport (most certainly plastic). (and Firewarriors seem to lose 1+ choice)

ghost21 wrote:

Grunge wrote:How come they got kicked back one codex? Weren't they supposed to be next? We know pretty much all there is to know prior to release leaks, how come Black Templars are coming first?

Due to them sitting done for nearly 8 months? And honestly, sword brethren are nice.

Speaking of not mentioning sources:

Ghost of War wrote:I could have SWORN that a good chunk of these rumors... came from ME.. and Stinger666 after last years Adepticon... and the release got pushed back.

Lack of credit....

BTW it is odd to post and discuss this rumours in 40k general.

Yea much better, thanks. ^^

Sorry, but I thought it was important that the broadside etc comments are not by ghost21.

Oops, now I have to add the part I didn't copy:

ghost21 wrote:Vespid won't need a transport (they are damn jump infantry). And considering the heavy is really cool, that won't either.

I really like the new Vespid kit. They have had a really good overhaul. I'm honestly just going to use Vespid and Demiurg. And also I saw the alien transport wasn't Kroot... however as usual sodium chloride applies to that part.

No offence taken.

I was just to lazy to properly quote it.
(And to much in the Warseer flow to notice it really. >.< )

Glad to hear. I don't want any trouble with Deathwatch and Xeno interrogators

So I'm guessing that would push Tau back from being Q1 to Q3 then?

Enigma Crisis wrote:So I'm guessing that would push Tau back from being Q1 to Q3 then?

So I guess we should hope that BT come first, so we attain some assurance of the delicious Tau stuff ghost has posted about. Mileage may vary due to waiting further.

Also good to know this thread has been moved back to the Rumors section

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Brother SRM wrote: 3 wounds for Crisis Suits doesn't seem amazing considering they still get ID'd by batltecannons and missile launchers.

And they'll hype it as a revolution.

Don't say we Tyranids didn't warn you in advance. Look at Mr Tyranid Warrior over there. They gave him 3 wounds AND took away his ID immunity. Jolly good.

I hear that all the time, and I still have yet to have a a Warrior ID'd.

Though it's really the terrible target priority from my friend. He'd rather fire his dark lances at my Hive Guard, who can soak it up with T6, or my Zoanthropes, which bounces off their 3++ save, and prefers to assault my warriors.

I guess I should be thankful it's keeping my Warriors as a viable unit.

I guess they'll be going to W3 and have all weapons so that there is no more wound allocation amongst crisis suits. Not that it was much of an issue when you could get drones and they only have 2 wounds.

Since I have magnetized the dozen crisis suits I own, I'm more frustrated at the amount of effort I put into those models to now have 'morphic weapons'. I just hope ethereals do not suck as much then as they do now.

Wonder if the stealth suits Shas'o will still have weapons options/morphic weapons or be stuck with burst cannons/fusion gun.

I know there was a prototype farsight model shown quite a while ago and I have to say if that's what Tau is now going to be like, I think i'll save my money for better things. Tau is hard enough to paint as is without random protrusions and busier models. Hopefully unlike SM/CSM there won't be a universal theme like 'skulls', which for Tau would probably be along the lines of 'screws' or 'single shoulder pads!'. The variety across the army is what drew me to it in the first place.

Enigma Crisis wrote:So I'm guessing that would push Tau back from being Q1 to Q3 then?

Nah it will be like 2008 BT Q1, Tau Q2, 6th ed BRB + starter box Q3 and Chaos Legions Q4

-Loki- wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Brother SRM wrote: 3 wounds for Crisis Suits doesn't seem amazing considering they still get ID'd by batltecannons and missile launchers.

And they'll hype it as a revolution.

Don't say we Tyranids didn't warn you in advance. Look at Mr Tyranid Warrior over there. They gave him 3 wounds AND took away his ID immunity. Jolly good.

I hear that all the time, and I still have yet to have a a Warrior ID'd.

Though it's really the terrible target priority from my friend. He'd rather fire his dark lances at my Hive Guard, who can soak it up with T6, or my Zoanthropes, which bounces off their 3++ save, and prefers to assault my warriors.

I guess I should be thankful it's keeping my Warriors as a viable unit.

I took out my friends 12 Tyranid Warriors with 3 Defilers first turn.

Here, hold these Battlecannons. Whar Synapse Whar?

KarlPedder wrote:

Enigma Crisis wrote:So I'm guessing that would push Tau back from being Q1 to Q3 then?

Nah it will be like 2008 BT Q1, Tau Q2, 6th ed BRB + starter box Q3 and Chaos Legions Q4

If Chaos Legions are in the Starter set, then I imagine the codex would come out first.

But that's how I see it going as well. Perhaps BT in February, followed by Tau in May, then 6th hits, shortly followed by Legions.

Owww. I want my Tau now so I can get stuff for Christmas. The rumers are reall getting me excited.

No I want 6th Ed tau. I'm tired of playing armies 1 Ed back. I play against guard nissan necrons and grey knights with orks and tau I want to be recent for once

Well I bet Tau will actually have a good focus on Etherals to boost sales. I have two well painted rather recently. I should go ahead and get shadowsun and paint her while I can then.