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IronChaos wrote:Just wanted to notice: all articles about CSM on the GW page (tactics, tutorials...) excepting the "Beggin here" one have been deleted. Perhaps they're already cleaning the place for what's to come...

All the 40k articles are gone. This is pretty well documented previously. Theories range from paint pot changes to website updates. Glad to see we have a new one.

So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.

thunderingjove wrote:

agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.

Funny thing. This is exactly why I do believe this rumor.

Too bad about the all power armor. It does make sense if you think about it from a benevolent GW point of view. They probably received a phone call that went something like this:

"Hello, Mr. Kirby here."

"Good day Mr. Kirby. My name is Samantha Brinklehoff. I was calling to log a complaint with you."

"Ah, I see, well, please go ahead. We are very concerned about our customers and would like to take every opportunity we can to make sure they are happy."

"Well, you see, when the last edition of your game came out it contained two factions, the Space Marines and the Orks. My son and his friend took their pocket money and decided to split a box. My son ended up with the Orks because he thought they looked better, but it wasn't long before he came home crying everyday because his friend's Space Marines had a better save than his Orks. I think that for the sake of the children something must be done about this."

"Thank you Ma'am for telling me that, that is definitely a cause for concern. I will see to it that it is addressed."

Later that day in a GW board meeting...

"I received a very concerned call about the contents of our starter box today. It seems there was an issue with the Orks not being as good as Space Marines. For the sake of our customers we must make sure that anyone that splits a starter box with one of his friends has equal access to power armor..."

thunderingjove wrote:

agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.

Except that maybe instead of power armor vs. power armor you might have the following:

TDA & PA vs. PA & Heretics/Cultics/Traitor Guard.

I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!

It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!

d-usa wrote:

thunderingjove wrote:

agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

Exactly why I don't believe this rumor.

Except that maybe instead of power armor vs. power armor you might have the following:

TDA & PA vs. PA & Heretics/Cultics/Traitor Guard.

Yeah, still not exciting and I don't see them doing PA and TDA because it would be exactly the same as AoBR....well, thinking about it, that's just the laziness I'd expect.

Customer: Say, the marines in this box are exactly the same as 5th edition.

GW Redshirt: No they're not, you get this nifty jet bike instead of a dreadnaught!

Customer: grumble grumble.

nkelsch wrote:I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!

It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!

You're not familiar with Orks pre-2008, then?

Absolutionis wrote:Funny thing. This is exactly why I do believe this rumor.

This.

Given the supreme emphasis on Space Marines in 5th, specifically loyalist Space Marines, there’s no reason why GW would put a non Space Marine faction in the starter.

The interesting thing about Hasting’s rumour is that having DA vs Fallen as well as having Fallen paired with Daemons and Cultists seems a little hard to believe. There probably will be some kind of dark green space men in the kit but I don’t think it will be DA vs Fallen exactly.

nkelsch wrote:I never thought I would see the day when Orks were the neglected trash of the Xenos armies!!!

It sounds like we will have a 4th edition codex way into 2013!

Neglected trash?

What about the eldar? They are so neglected you dont even remember them.....

UsdiThunder wrote:Why the DA weren't folded into the SM Codex always baffled me. They could of fulfilled the flavor with a couple Special Characters Like they did with White Scars and Salamanders.

You know I honestly believe that this kind of attitude is in part is why they are in the starter and likely have jumped the que over BT because while DA have strong thematics those thematics aren't supported by unique units and mechanics.

But then perhaps your one of those folks who doesn't understand that having multiple SM armies actually helps through low risk investment that brings in cash flow and actually helps to enable big xenos releases like DE and Necrons?

If the Dark Angels are in the new box and or new codex soon, hopefully they will be portrayed as a more sinister army. From what I read/heard that was their fluff before, and plasma galore.

I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?

I know a guy that has a full Salamanders Army, and just bought Dark Elf cold ones to use as Thunderwolf Cavalry when Space Wolves came out. He got tons of "flame priests" and Mephiston when Blood Angels came out. He ebayed several "flame halberds" and bought a Dreadknight when Grey Knights came out. Admittedly, they all look really nice, but the core remained the same. He played in 'Ard Boyz with this stuff.
How many Dark Eldar converts pretty much bought all their models new when the codex came out? How many people decided to buy a bunch of new Necron stuff when they came out? How many Tyranids players bought a few Trygons because it was the coolest kit GW ever made? How many people started Fantasy when all theose cool things came out?

I'm looking foward to 6th ed what evers in the starter box. I most likely won't get it anyway, inless I start a dark angels army that is.

Absolutionis wrote:I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?

I know a guy that has a full Salamanders Army, and just bought Dark Elf cold ones to use as Thunderwolf Cavalry when Space Wolves came out. He got tons of "flame priests" and Mephiston when Blood Angels came out. He ebayed several "flame halberds" and bought a Dreadknight when Grey Knights came out. Admittedly, they all look really nice, but the core remained the same. He played in 'Ard Boyz with this stuff.
How many Dark Eldar converts pretty much bought all their models new when the codex came out? How many people decided to buy a bunch of new Necron stuff when they came out? How many Tyranids players bought a few Trygons because it was the coolest kit GW ever made? How many people started Fantasy when all theose cool things came out?

Not to mention the fact that space mariens sell well is because the effort put into makeing them sell well. You put even half that effort into any other race, and they would sell well too.
XD
lol

Absolutionis wrote:I've always had a strange issue with the "Space Marines sell well" argument. Surely they sell well, but most people take their Space Marine army and use them, in tournaments, as the power-armor-flavor of the week. How many blue-painted omega-clad Blood Angels, Space Wolves, or even Grey Knights have you played against?

I'd say most people aren't like that. And that bandwagoners aren't just Marine players, but it's just very easy to be a bandwagoner when you are a Marine player.

As a DA player part of me would love to see them in the starter box. New models etc would be nice. Another part of me dreads it, because then everyone would have DA's...hmmm, its a conundrum.

Well it'd give people something else to whine about besides Ultramarines and Draigo.

Whine about the First Legion???? It will never happen heretic!

I spoke to the owner of local indy shop, he got off the phone with GW early this week and pretty much confirms the release date that's on the first page,
sometime in summer he was told, also he was told that AoBR box is very good value compared to the new box, now I think it's more of price issue then
contents issue due to inflation and that GW want to move as many boxes of AoBR before the new box comes out.

I'm liking the sound of what the Chaos Space marines and traitors seem to be getting in their half of the box, seems like their should be some great miniatures.

I'm wondering if seen as it is DA on the space marine side that the started box set will include plastic "ravenwing" bikes.

I could see them doing that with special weapons as currently the bikes with special weapons are still about the only part of the space marine line that has metal components and could do with some substitutes. Making those plastic would probably be pretty good.

Maybe then a captain, some "deathwing" terminators, a "ravenwing" land speeder instead of the dread for variety and two normal squads of marines.

Too much?


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gobbledog wrote:As a DA player part of me would love to see them in the starter box. New models etc would be nice. Another part of me dreads it, because then everyone would have DA's...hmmm, its a conundrum.

They will most likely be very generic so as not to alienated every SM player except DA player, so no sculpted DA iconography sadly. Don't know if this is better or worse for you?

I'm looking forward to a plastic Chaos Dreadnought!

Here a nice insight on how Harry makes his predictions based on tidbits of information:

Harry wrote:Following recent events ....

In an effort to show how tricky it is to predict anything very much with any accuracy and to demonstrate how much I get wrong. ....

What follows is what I put together back in September 2011 (from various snippets) and shared with some guys back in October ... it is more or less word for word.

You will see there are a lot of "?" in what follows.

I had head some very dodgy rumours regarding 40K releases in January ... non of those happened.
Whilst I had Tau in as the first release of 2013 ... I also had it in with a ? against it in the first half of this year as I had heard this from a couple of people but was not convinced. I had heard March/April for Empire and was not sure which. I had heard Eldar v's Chaos from two of the most reliable folks I ever hear stuff from .... but now it looks like that was wrong too .... (Never bet against hastings ... ever!) ... Read on.

"This is what I think is going on. (I put this together after GD)
You can see whilst I am confident of a release order ... it is a bit more tricky getting the month right.

Fantasy Release Order:
VC
Empire
WoC
Dwarves

40K Release Order:
Necrons
Chaos Space Marines. (Just before or right after 6th)
Eldar
Tau

Sisters of Battle, Black Templars and waves or bits and bobs for Necrons/Nids/SW and IG also being worked on or done that need releasing somewhere?

LotR
Hobbit and bunch of other stuff for LotR (including Legions etc).

2011
Nov : Necrons
Dec : Fantasy Terrain

2012
Jan : 40K Bits and Bobs. IG tank/T. Wolf cavaly/Finecast characters?
Feb : Vampire Counts (Jan Or Feb) New paints Necron 2nd wave? (or later)
Mar : Empire? Tau?
Apr : Tau? Empire? More fantasy scenery.
May : Tau? LotR stuff
Jun : Tau? Chaos Space Marines.
Jul : 6th edition.
Aug : Warriors of Chaos
Sep : Starter set : Eldar v’s Chaos?
Oct : First 6th edition release? Space Marines? (Collective assumtion ... I don't think so.) Chaos space marines? (My guess)
Nov : THE HOBBIT!!!! BLOODBOWL???
Eldar Second 6th edition release!
Dec :

2013

First 40K release of 2013 (Feb?) Tau.
More Nids Could be 2012 (Tervigon ??? Harpy??? I mentioned before)
Sisters of Battle. Could be in 2012? (Heard at one time they were to be the first 40K release of 2012)"

Obviously I now know lots of this was wrong ... but this is what I started with.
It is amazing I get anything right at all.

Still don't know what happened to Sisters of Battle.

And also this:

straightsilver wrote:Well I am pretty sure that the starter set will feature Dark Angels and Chaos, people I have spoken to have backed this up although it won't necessarily be Chaos Space Marines.

Both Jervis Johnson and Alessio Cavatore have both stated not only on the internet, but in the pages of White Dwarf (admittedly a long time ago for WD, but Alessio's blog post was just after he left the company) that the current Chaos Space marines Codex would remain to represent Renegades, and Chaos Legions would be in addition to the current Codex.

So I am 90% certain that there will just be one new book, but it will feature cultists as a unit for Alpha Legion in much the same way Codex:CSM3.5 did.

Apparently a Traitor Guard Codex was suggested, and considered, but later rejected so I suspect if they are coming in any shape or form it will only be in the Legions Codex.

I haven't heard anything about Chaos Daemons Codex being replaced (although it should be!), but that Legions will have better than summoned daemons.

Admittedly I guess we will just have to wait and see, but I think people expecting more than 1 Chaos Codex for the foreseeable future might be disappointed.

My only concern is that the Chaos models in the starter set won't be brutal or chaosy eough, because GW also wants to market it to children.

Oh damn, now I am psyked for a proper Alfa Legion army list. My Imperial Guard army might just go traitors.

agnosto wrote:So the 6th Starter is power armor vs. power armor; sounds so exciting, I think I'll take a nap.

Wasn't there a reference to traitors/mutants? I'd be willing to guess that they'd have less than a 3+.

If they don't, then I totally agree with you Yawn. Part of the fun was learning how different saves can be.

I seriously hope it's not Chaos for the 'bad' side of the starter. It is a lot easier to trade off some xenos than Chaos.

I hope to God that the starter set isn't fall of damnos. The book was ok i guess. But im not a fan of necrons

Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.

Considering hastings gave a nod to Dark Angels and Chaos, I'd say it's a pretty good bet. And gave a wink to cultists.

Even through he's 'left' the rumour business, he's still up there with Harry as the most trustworthy sources.


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zearas wrote:Yeah I'll probably quit completely if DA comes out before BT. It's a bit silly how bad our book is. Not nessiarly competitive wise ( which it's still pretty bad on that account) but it's just not fun to play and when you have 6000 points of an army that just sits there it's pretty abdicating when more recent books get new cool stuff and gw just ignores the stuff that needs a bone.

Diddums.

Tyranid players are in the same situation, and we've got a long wait for another book. At least yours is soon, even if DA beat them to a release.