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DA are still competitive, but are very limited as to the builds they can reasonably use in a tourney. It's no surprise that there are calls of "codex creep" when we pay 250 pts for 10 jump pack marines with bolt pistols and chainswords (sarge gets a power sword!) as compared to the GK codex with 260 pts for 10 30" teleporting psyker marines with storm bolters and force weapons and psyk-out grenades!

I will look forward to new models -- but it'd be really nice to have viable tourney builds other than Deathwing and one or two others.

We are all blindfolded victims, captives of a house made from our undying love and obsession for W40k, and while we are chasing rumours in the darkness, hitting ourselves on each other heads, GW watch from the upstair, smiling and laughing sadistically each time we think we just found the object of our desire, and then that we realise it's just... a pile of gak someone they there a while ago.



The only solution :



Burn down the House

I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.

Death By Monkeys wrote:I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.

I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.

Why the DA weren't folded into the SM Codex always baffled me. They could of fulfilled the flavor with a couple Special Characters Like they did with White Scars and Salamanders.

The last two starter sets were Ultras and the video game Space Marine recently was Ultras. I'd put money the next boxset will be Ultras vs. Xenos.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:I don't see any reason why they couldn't have the SM in the box set be "Dark Angels", just as the marines in the 3rd Ed box set were "Black Templars" and the marines in the 2nd Ed box were "Blood Angels". Do the DA have their own iconic imagery? Yes. Do I expect that to carry over into the box set models. No. I expect the box set models to be as generic as they ever were.

I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.

And hurt sales... definitely going to be generic. The question is... if it is a C:SM and a SM... will the chaos figures have the spiky bitz molded on, or will it be an upgrade sprue?

Hastings just posted the following about the starter.

Originally Posted by 75hastings69
I'm also willing to add (and you'll need to forgive my weak 40k fu here) that the CSM in the starter are Chosen? (hope that's the right name - 40k really isn't my thing!!)

The cultists/renegades post was me, it's just I'm nit 100% sure what their proper name is, that being said I'm almost certain I've got it right.

Sounds very Kool!

I am going to post a fully unsubstantiated, completely unverified rumor about the new starter set that I totally did not hear from my co-workers at GW whom I don't work with or for.

"The artwork on the spines of the 2012 White Dwarf magazines is part of the image from the new 40k starter box." - Breotan

You heard it here first, folks.


Edit: Corrected for grammar.

There is no Tau, no Black Templars, no Eldar. I want this on the record so strike me down if I am wrong! I am only re-reporting this schedule because I think people have been lead astray by all the false talk of other codices.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
But the Tau ones were so detailed... HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN

I also want to go on the record saying that the Chaos Space Marine codex will not be two books. That was an old rumor from about 5 years ago that got resurrected last year for some infernal reason.

What, so... No Legions/Renegades?

As well another reminder that 6th ed leak pdf is a not the real deal!

glargfargle

lord_blackfang wrote:I agree. Chapter-specific sculpts would severely limit the usefulness of the starter to existing SM players.

But these stater boxes aren’t for existing SM players. They’re for new players. We may buy them, but they’re not for us.

I don’t think making the Marines in the box Chapter Specific is a good idea either, but I also don’t think that “But what about non-DA players?” is a real concern either.

H.B.M.C. wrote: “But what about non-DA players?” is a real concern either.

It obviously is. GW doesn't want all new players restricted to DA. They want new players to have vanilla marines, so that they can buy any type of colored marine model without problem.

And if there are DA's in the box? What then?

H.B.M.C. wrote:And if there are DA's in the box? What then?

What if they put in AOBR style with DA upgrade sprues in box? Kinda crazy and not efficient, but could do it.

As long there is Chaos in the box, I am still buying it

The whole point of these miniatures are that they are simple snap-fit designs.

The point I'm making is that the rumours point towards DA's being in the box. This means one of two things:

1. There are DA models – robes, iconography, everything – in the box.
2. There are generic Marines in the box, and the studio display for them (and plotline for the box) is that they are Dark Angels.

If it’s the latter then fine, and really I would be surprised if GW didn’t put generic Marines in there, but given what we know it is not unreasonable to suspect the former.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And if there are DA's in the box? What then?

If there are DAs in the box then there are DAs in the box. Might be robed, might be not robed. DA are often depicted without robes.

Not really what I was getting at, but given I don’t know what you’re trying to argue with me about I’ll leave it at that...

If I recall correctly, normal Dark Angels explicitly aren't supposed to wear robes, since the robes are a sign of those who are inducted into the Inner Circle and are hence only worn by veterans of the Chapter. I could see a robed Sergeant or whatever, but having every guy in the kit in full robes would actually be unfluffy for a "normal" Dark Angels force.

But that fluff could change. Hell, if Ward writes the next DA Codex we could see the introduction of the ‘Robidian Cult’, and most of the Chapter is part of this cult, those that aren’t are shunned and made to not wear robes, and the robes are extra absorbent to ensure that every last drop of extra (x2) pure Sororitas blood gets soaked up.

No I’m not bitter...

H.B.M.C. wrote:No I’m not bitter...

Really?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Not really what I was getting at, but given I don’t know what you’re trying to argue with me about I’ll leave it at that...

You were getting at GW not caring if people didn't like DA-specific models being in the box.

I said that that probably DO care. Where is your confusion?

Im all about CSM getting new stuff. Chaos is my favorite, and Im all for some new CSM minis...though Im on a fantasy kick right now.

I guess the good news is I can start saving for 6th edition/trying to find some one to split a couple starter boxes with as my Space Wolves would probably hate me if I tried to pick up DA.

Edit: Yet I want the Chaos and a mini-rulesbook :(.
As a guy who's attempting to own every army and has picked up every new Codex, it feels weird skipping one if these DA rumors end up true. But who knows, if it's anything like Necrons' dramatic changes, I might actually be interested.

Kroothawk wrote:
Hastings statements on the starter box:

75hastings69 wrote:

which will give some credibility to the rumor of the 6th ED starter being DA vs Chaos

Interesting

Fingers crossed...DA's and CSM.

Not "just" CSM

Demons too?

No

Cultists / Traitor Guardsmen perhaps?

Glad to see you back in rumor-mongery, Hastings.

Not back in, just lending credence to this as I know it's correct.

No, there are rumors that may be complete fabrications about BT, Tau, Eldar, and Chaos. Strangers on the net don't trump White Dwarf.

Agreed (etc. etc.)

I wouldn't think that these are the entirety of this year's possible releases - books perhaps, but I'd be surprised if there weren't one or two waves.

Correct (ish )
(...)
I don't know if the spine images are anything to do with DA, 6th starter or the 25th year of 40k but I do know that most of the stuff posted is correct. 6th starter does indeed feature DA and the forces of chaos, including a nice plastic chaos dread

Summary:
Starter Set includes Dark Angels vs. Chaos. Chaos includes CSM, some traitor guard/cultists and a CSM deadnought.

What I can garner from this is that hastings does a heck of a lot of winking at his computer screen. His computer must no doubt feel that he is trying to hit on her.

Also +1 for DA in the box.

Does it really matter what's in the starter set? Really? Most of us have played the game long enough, that we pretty much buy the starter set for the mini rule book, maybe keep 10% of the contents and trade/ sell away the rest. Does it really matter what kind of marines they will be? They are always more generic than their multipart cousins. The only starter set that was unique was the 3rd edition starter set as it introduced and entirely "new" race at the time. The old DE models were ugly, but the set was unique for sure. All the other sets have always been Marines vs. Orks.

Here the full quotes by Hastings (because important parts were left out):

75hastings69 wrote:

....They'll be painted like DA and the fluff will be DA, however the models won't be DA-specific.

Really ???
(...)
I'm also willing to add (and you'll need to forgive my weak 40k fu here) that the CSM in the starter are Chosen? (hope that's the right name - 40k really isn't my thing!!)
(...)
Plastic chaos raptors are for a "slightly" later release
The cultists/renegades post was me, it's just I'm nit 100% sure what their proper name is, that being said I'm almost certain I've got it right.

And:

Darnok wrote:There are no plastic Plaguebearers in the 6th ed starterbox.

In a way I agree CaptKaruthors, ultimately they could be painted any color.

It does matter in a way, I feel it has been a very long time since Dark Angels got this sort of lime light treatment and since 2nd I think most likely treat as a second rate army, probably because they are so close in many ways to other marine armies.

They are different but it is mostly fluff, hopefully GW will go into that some and help flesh out Dark Angels a bit more. tbh

please SM and TAU please then i would pick it up lol

Kroothawk wrote:
And:

Darnok wrote:There are no plastic Plaguebearers in the 6th ed starterbox.

If I recall correctly, it was ghost21 that said that the 6th ed starterbox would have Plaguebearers.

Just wanted to notice: all articles about CSM on the GW page (tactics, tutorials...) excepting the "Beggin here" one have been deleted. Perhaps they're already cleaning the place for what's to come...