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Fighting8th wrote:As per a conversation with my rep, Module 2 will be the paint line, plus other hobby tools. The starter set paint kits and the Hobby Starter Set are part of Module 1. He did not discuss in detail the remaining modules, but indicated that they would be books and models. The gist of the conversation was the revised paint line would not be available here in USA until April.

This is only half correct, as Module 5 contains the whole paint range plus hobby articles, Module 2 only the basic colours (which supposedly means half the full set and about the number of paints as today). You are correct that Module 1 includes the Hobby Set, the 3 Paint Sets and the Paint Station.

BTW, as I said, the store purchase lists confirm: No paints in March. Just some relelease of Super Glue and Plastic Glue.

Kroothawk wrote:

BTW, as I said, the store purchase lists confirm: No paints in March. Just some relelease of Super Glue and Plastic Glue.

Paints where always going to be a april release. They will announce in march the details

That is right, but Warseer's Darnok spreads the rumour that it will be a March release, which is nonsense.

Kroothawk wrote:That is right, but Warseer's Darnok spreads the rumour that it will be a March release, which is nonsense.

Definitely not march. They will be explainting to us in the end of March what the new system will be. I'm assuming april, but could be may or further out for all we know.

Small update on the two new glues in March:
Will be a thin plastic glue with metal pin, for applying to smaller parts.
Plus a thick super glue, for applying to larger parts and with the ability to fill small gaps.
Same volume as the resp. other glues, about the same price (plastic glue a tad more expensive).

Kroothawk wrote:Small update on the two new glues in March:
Will be a thin plastic glue with metal pin, for applying to smaller parts.
Plus a thick super glue, for applying to larger parts and with the ability to fill small gaps.
Same volume as the resp. other glues, about the same price (plastic glue a tad more expensive).

If it's anything like the Revell Contacta Professional... I'll clear the shelf buying it. Best glue evAr!

Actually, the form of the bottle is exactly the same, can't speak for the glue itself though.

Kroothawk wrote:Small update on the two new glues in March:
Will be a thin plastic glue with metal pin, for applying to smaller parts.
Plus a thick super glue, for applying to larger parts and with the ability to fill small gaps.
Same volume as the resp. other glues, about the same price (plastic glue a tad more expensive).

I've found IMHO that the pin is just a gimmick that really serves no purpace. With my humbrol plastic glue I still squeeze it out onto a pallet and use a toothpick to apply it to the model. The only thing the pin would work with is superglue and umm that would suck large to clean.

Plastic glue if you put to much on will melt and warp the piece that you are attaching to and might not even bond properly leaving s long spagetti strand of uncured glue. Personally I hate the gak (plastic glue) but all that pin is going to do is make people go through glue faster. I guess it's a win for GW. =o[

I will never understand why people would use plastic glue instead of cyanoacrylate for everything in this hobby save clear plastic parts like canopies. CA is better in every possible way.

BSI's gap filling CA glue is the best stuff around IMO.

Aerethan wrote:I will never understand why people would use plastic glue instead of cyanoacrylate for everything in this hobby save clear plastic parts like canopies. CA is better in every possible way.

Because it is much cheaper, bonds better and gives you time for adjusting the parts, for a start

I use Polycement because it's a better seal, minor gap-filling properties etc.

And I find the pindropper indispensible - it allows me to be precise in amount and application, you just have to remember to put the cap on whenever you're not using it

Kroothawk wrote:

Aerethan wrote:I will never understand why people would use plastic glue instead of cyanoacrylate for everything in this hobby save clear plastic parts like canopies. CA is better in every possible way.

Because it is much cheaper, bonds better and gives you time for adjusting the parts, for a start

don't forget superglue bounds can snap when you drop the model! That doesn't happen when you use plastic glue.

Lockark wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Aerethan wrote:I will never understand why people would use plastic glue instead of cyanoacrylate for everything in this hobby save clear plastic parts like canopies. CA is better in every possible way.

Because it is much cheaper, bonds better and gives you time for adjusting the parts, for a start

don't forget superglue bounds can snap when you drop the model! That doesn't happen when you use plastic glue.

On the other hand, that can be a good thing. I'd rather my models snap at the superglue joins than deform or break somewhere else. And superglue if I ever decide to remove a part for some reason, I can do so cleanly.

Kroothawk wrote:

Aerethan wrote:I will never understand why people would use plastic glue instead of cyanoacrylate for everything in this hobby save clear plastic parts like canopies. CA is better in every possible way.

Because it is much cheaper, bonds better and gives you time for adjusting the parts, for a start

And it's far better when gluing plastic parts with a very small join area. Both glues have their places.

I agree, those new Daemonette arms are annoying as is without throwing super gluing the joints into it. Though I mostly used super glue myself now, mostly because it's usually metal or resin.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Small update on the two new glues in March:
Will be a thin plastic glue with metal pin, for applying to smaller parts.
Plus a thick super glue, for applying to larger parts and with the ability to fill small gaps.
Same volume as the resp. other glues, about the same price (plastic glue a tad more expensive).

I've found IMHO that the pin is just a gimmick that really serves no purpace. With my humbrol plastic glue I still squeeze it out onto a pallet and use a toothpick to apply it to the model. The only thing the pin would work with is superglue and umm that would suck large to clean.

Plastic glue if you put to much on will melt and warp the piece that you are attaching to and might not even bond properly leaving s long spagetti strand of uncured glue. Personally I hate the gak (plastic glue) but all that pin is going to do is make people go through glue faster. I guess it's a win for GW. =o[

lmao, what?? I've had a bottle of Revell's plastic glue for about 8 months, and I've still got about half left, despite making loads of models, inc Tamiya kits etc The point of the nozzle is that you don't need to use as much/be more precise with the application of it. It's definitely way more efficient than squeezing it onto a pallet and using a toothpick anyway!

Saw a new, if not 'the' new Citadel paint rack at the local GW store on Saturday, it now stacks the paint vertically in transparent tubes, the customer tacking the bottom pot from a gap, rather than on rails, so fits very flat to the wall.

It didn't have any empty slots though, so if the range is to be expanded, it will need another unit the same I would expect.

azreal13 wrote: Saw a new, if not 'the' new Citadel paint rack at the local GW store on Saturday, it now stacks the paint vertically in transparent tubes, the customer tacking the bottom pot from a gap, rather than on rails, so fits very flat to the wall.

That's not really a new rack. They had those back when they changed paint suppliers many years ago.

Yeh it's a mix between them here as well.

I've seen them before too, but the old metal rack is still in store and empty, and this was a new addition to the store from when I was last in two or three weeks ago.

This is definitely a deliberate change, and I doubt that store managers are allowed to do this on a whim, I would expect them to have to work to a layout handed down to them on high as many chain stores do.

Not saying it's something, but it might not be nothing.

I'd imagine that's a change to stop shop lifters, more than anything. I've noticed all my GW stores, locally anyway, have those plastic paint racks.

It will be interesting to see what the expanded colors will be.

mikhaila wrote:Hmmm. Why then have retailers sell down on the current range if they are just adding to it? Repackaging/rebranding of the pots? I'm very much hoping it's not another paint rack added to what I have. The current one is 1/2 useless. The bottom 3rd isn't used at all, as it holds the sprays. Too low, and many states don't allow you to have sprays loose on the shelf. The top 1/3 is half useless, and it's ineffiecient, and a lot of the things it was mean't to hold don't really fit well. A second rack of the same size will take some re-arrangement of fixtures to fit in, and the bottom 3rd will be useless again.

While I couldn't agree more about the top third, the bottom third of the newer paint racks has a locking screen that makes it legal to keep spray paint on the floor. I wish that we had something similar for Army Painter.

I got this info passed onto me about the new GW paint changes.

I've never gotten rumors from this source before, so I cannot vouch for their validity (so take this with whatever amount of salt you'd like):

-144 colours are in.
-lots of renaming of colours, nothing is leaving.
-All in different catagories now, Shades (washes) bases, layers, glazes (thin washes) and textures.
-Prices are staying the same.


So it sounds to me like the main thing GW is doing is reorganizing the line to make it more clear which paints/washes/etc are designed to be used in what situations.

Yak's source seemed credible until...

yakface wrote:- Prices are staying the same.

I wonder if this has anything to do with GW taking down thier articals on thier website.

If Yak's latest post is true.

Then we shall be praying at the alter of GW as they will be enlightening us on the proper techniques of miniature figure painting.

'O yay though I walketh through the dark I shall let the god of workshop smother me with the light of proper painting techniques'
'Blessed are those that dwell at the alter of the god of workshop, for with out the god of workshop we may never have come to know they proper mixtures of paint to water'
He who holdeth the golden demon in contempt will forever be bound in light and truth of the god of workshop'


Okay, okay I get it some folks like the easy way out. I prefer painting and stripping my mini's until I get exactly where I want it to be.
It will be nice though to grab a glaze and slap it on for some of the tabletop pieces, and I guess as great as the washes are I should expect the glazes to be of the same quality.

Therefore, I will go back to my paint hole with my three brushes and red, yellow and blue paints to cause more damage to metals and plastic.

Goatboy wrote: Okay, okay I get it some folks like the easy way out. I prefer painting and stripping my mini's until I get exactly where I want it to be.
It will be nice though to grab a glaze and slap it on for some of the tabletop pieces, and I guess as great as the washes are I should expect the glazes to be of the same quality.

This post produced for me a minor Epiphany "GW doesn't make paint for painters, they make paint for gamers."

This new line offers nothing for the hardcore who follow P&M with a passion, and build scratch diorhamas with OSL and oil washes. This line gives the guy who wants to run a game with 400 Clanrats what he needs to get those 400 rats to a state better than bare plastic without needing to spend 3-4 months perfecting watering down the paints.

Bounty wrote:

Goatboy wrote: Okay, okay I get it some folks like the easy way out. I prefer painting and stripping my mini's until I get exactly where I want it to be.
It will be nice though to grab a glaze and slap it on for some of the tabletop pieces, and I guess as great as the washes are I should expect the glazes to be of the same quality.

This post produced for me a minor Epiphany "GW doesn't make paint for painters, they make paint for gamers."

This new line offers nothing for the hardcore who follow P&M with a passion, and build scratch diorhamas with OSL and oil washes. This line gives the guy who wants to run a game with 400 Clanrats what he needs to get those 400 rats to a state better than bare plastic without needing to spend 3-4 months perfecting watering down the paints.

I'm not a great painter, but I'm moving away from GW paints as much as possible. The only advantages they offer at the moment are the slight 'friendlieness' of the 'pot' design versus the droppers everyone else uses, and availability (still need to find a source for Vallejo or Reaper paints in Maryland that's convenient).

Vallejo and Reaper seem to be better quality and the droppers don't dry up as much. Long-term, I think that cautious use of the droppers wastes less paint to over-dispensing (squeezing too much out on the scrap paper I use as a pallet) and minimal nozzle-clogging versus GW paints that dry up completely.

(I could conceivably keep paint a bit more usable longer with a wet pallet, but I haven't tried yet.)

Still, GW paints are useful when I decided I need a particular color on a Friday AM for some painting time that weekend.

Anytime a company changes a product line they run the risk of alienating their current customer base.
Maybe they have determined their customer base is just like we guessed new gamers or existing gamers who want a quick fix.

By no means am I saying Im a golden demon painter, I just try to stretch my skills until they break or I improve.

Best case is GW decided to add more 'flavor' to the line for the gamers and not the painters. Say what you will about any paint company, they all have or will have issues. Take P3 and the crummy metallics, g-dubs pot issues, and reaper and vallejo's issues with the tip clogging up, each company offers us pros and cons.

After looking into the acrylic paint market for traditional painting and seeing the countless companies selling paint it appears most artists use a multitude of brands,

Someone even mentioned the military painters and how far behind them the average mini painters is.

Personally I use GW paints because buying Ive bought all brands there only to come home to 'issues'

Here's crossing my fingers hoping G-dub gets me new washes, glazes, colors, and pots that only I want as I'm their only customer ....