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Because;
A) Sex is evil,
B) Women are fragile and must be protected,
C) "It will give people ideas",
D) You cannot trust people to have fun,
E) "Won't someone think of the children!"

Unless you are a) an octopus or b) Cthuhlu then I don't see how we're going to start tentacle raping lots of nubile, busty schoolgirls/

Well, the argument seems to be that tentacle rape is just an image of actual rape.

Clearly tentacles are penises.

Formosa wrote:storm sheild relationships!!! the sick Bar stuards

These automatic translations of acronyms are always funny.

Phototoxin wrote:Unless you are a) an octopus or b) Cthuhlu then I don't see how we're going to start tentacle raping lots of nubile, busty schoolgirls/

Sorry for the horrifically bad taste, but this thread was getting way too serious for its own good.

wait what??? these cards have rape on them?? has anyone actually seen this or are well all screaming that the sky is falling down?

In my less than humble opinion there is far too little octopus sex out there, i was watching the discovery channel about octopi...pees...pusseesseessesss... whatever and there was absolutely no schoolgirls... i mean what is the world coming too!

long story short... chill out guys, its a harmless card game that perverts and non perverts will buy and enjoy in totally acceptable and diferent ways

Formosa wrote:
In my less than humble opinion there is far too little octopus sex out there, i was watching the discovery channel about octopi...pees...pusseesseessesss... whatever and there was absolutely no schoolgirls... i mean what is the world coming too!

You should watch more BBC documentaries.
80+ year old Sir Attenborough explaining how a small crossdressing octopusii get it on with big males to get access to the ladies in males harem is surprisingly disturbing.

The Octopodes have suckers all along the underside of their limbs, right...?
Well, maybe "rape" is a bit harsh - for all we know they just want to show their affection by kissing the girls gently, in many places at the same time...?

And as for it being a misogynistic card game for misogynists as a result of western misogyny, if it managed to raise that much money I feel a new venture coming on
I don't really have a title as of yet, but it will have a Bernard Manning Seal of Approval sticker on the front saying, "Buy this f****** game!"

scarletsquig wrote:

Phototoxin wrote:Unless you are a) an octopus or b) Cthuhlu then I don't see how we're going to start tentacle raping lots of nubile, busty schoolgirls/

Sorry for the horrifically bad taste, but this thread was getting way too serious for its own good.

Adding to bad taste merchandise...



Got this from Kotaku btw, who didn't have a single problem with it.

yeah,

Manchu wrote:Well, the argument seems to be that tentacle rape is just an image of actual rape.

d-usa wrote:Clearly tentacles are penises.

o.O now I get it... yucky

Panic...

Manchu wrote:Well, the argument seems to be that tentacle rape is just an image of actual rape.

As if there aren't enough tv shows, movies and more that protray "images" of actual rape.

I'm loving how people are writing article after article about this... the news results are hilarious...

TheSecretSquig wrote:Well I've just re pledged through Sodapop's site my $60. Don't know why they didn't go this route in the first place. Being a big fan of Anime and Manga, I can't wait to receive the game, artwork, and models. Funnily enough, it will arrive just in time for my Wife and I's holiday to Japan. Something to play on the Plane / Train which won't even raise an eyebrow over there.

To all the 'Moral Police'. I call you HYPERCRITES. The Alien Tentacle Anime theme is well established in Tokyo Pop Culture and raises no eyebrows whatsoever. This Alien Tentacle Rape is 'unacceptable' and wrong by your standards. Fine no issue, everyone is entitled to their opinion. We in the Western World have something called Freedom (or so I thought). You have a choice. If you don't like it, don't buy, look at it. What gets my back up is 'because I think it’s wrong, then it shouldn't be allowed'. As long as its legal, what’s the issue? Clearly there are no laws being broken by Sodapop, but people insist that their views are best ‘so let’s get the Project shut down’....

1. It is spelled HYPOCRITE not HYPERCRITE...... so before going on and insulting a large segment of the population you could at least spell it correctly.

2. People have the freedom to support this project if they want and people also have the freedom to not support it. You sir are the one acting like a hypocrite. Kickstarter is a private institution run by private citizens who also have the right in a free society to allow or disallow any project they want to. That is what freedom is all about.

3. Now that they have canned the project we all have the freedom to decide if we still want to support kickstarter or not. That is how freedom works.


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scarletsquig wrote:This doesn't surprise me, Kickstarter is an American website, and America, in general (not individuals, obviously, and not everyone in the entire country, obviously), has a giant-centipede-sized bug up its ass when it comes to anything sexual, explicit or implied.

Fountains of gore, casual cold-blooded murder, butchery, torture and mutilation though?

Totally A-OK U-S-A, come bring the children and enjoy the show!

Of course, it's their site, they have the right to ban anything they want. Should have done this at the review stage though, instead of being jerks about it.

Well we were pretty much started by Puritans so it is what it is. But most people in America even if they found this offensive would just shake their heads and say whatever..... do what you want to do. There is a very vocal minority within this country though that take social issues like this very seriously. But by and large most Americans have a live and let live attitude. I think many people who have never visited the US don't understand this.

would only really be tempted to back this for the models, if there at the quality of there more serious miniatures it would be quite nice to add to my miniature collection, but aside from that I can't really see myself actually playing the card game, through shyness or something I don't think I could approach anyone asking if they wanted a game @.@

Wow this thread went ugly fast...

I'm glad the project is ongoing however. Pledged again. Well, more like preorder but eh.

Manchu wrote:

warboss wrote:They likely "caved" to public pressure only when someone went through the trouble of manually reporting the project leading to the likely first ever glance with live eyeballs at Kickstarter HQ.

We actually know that this is NOT the case.

Kickstarter listed Tentacle Bento as one of its "Staff Picks" on its own front page shortly before suspending the project funding.

The real question is when live eyeballs started reading letters equating a card game with raping girls.

I get that Kickstarter's lost favor with you, Manchu, but I think you're too colored by your own opinions and not giving the facts enough weight. Kickstarter made a decision then, as is their right, changed their mind when, as a corporate entity, they changed their minds.

Surely, you don't thing Dakka shouldn't have the right not to deal with certain people, companies or entities just because a portion of Dakka wants them to? Even if, at first, Dakka welcomed the association with open arms, they should ba allowed to change their minds. Yes? Otherwise, the ban feature would need to be abolished - or, at least, the members should get a vote on who it's used on.
Really, it's not any different.


Eric

Gizmodo continues Gawker's trend of intelligent reporting...

gizmodo.com/5910988/should-this-tentacle-porn-project-have-been-kickstopped-because-it-was

MagickalMemories wrote:I get that Kickstarter's lost favor with you, Manchu, but I think you're too colored by your own opinions and not giving the facts enough weight. Kickstarter made a decision then, as is their right, changed their mind when, as a corporate entity, they changed their minds.

I don't think I've ever said Kickstarter should not have the right not to do business with Soda Pop. What I have said is that Kickstarter's business is providing a contact between creators and investors where there is little to no third-party control of funding. So yes they have the right to exercise that third-party control by, for example, canceling certain projects mid-funding but exercising that right obviously undermines them as a business.

Also, Eric, in the post you quoted I was actually reciting the facts in response to speculation. I'm pretty surprised that you chose to quote that post as an example of me "not giving the facts enough weight."


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Cyporiean wrote:Got this from Kotaku btw, who didn't have a single problem with it.

Nice find!

Bakerofish wrote:Just a comment here:

Why is it that Violence is fine but Sex isnt?

Because extremists can fight sex with violence, but not the other way around.

Yup, I went there. I compared the rage over Tentacle Bento with bombing abortion clinics. It's the same mindset.

lord_blackfang wrote:Because extremists can fight sex with violence, but not the other way around.

Yup, I went there. I compared the rage over Tentacle Bento with bombing abortion clinics. It's the same mindset.

You sure did. Wow. And I thought these forums had already spawned the worst argument imaginable. I had no inkling they had more still left in the tank.

You, sir, are a nincompoop.

Personal attacks are against our rules. Thanks ~ Manchu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=dL1n1mEBWvc

Agamemnon2 wrote:You, sir, are a nincompoop.

Well.... thats interesting, I had to check if it was a real word or not....

guess it is o_o...

Never let it be said that I don't provide a useful service to my fellow man.

Agamemnon2 wrote:You sure did. Wow. And I thought these forums had already spawned the worst argument imaginable. I had no inkling they had more still left in the tank.

Allow me to amuse you further by adding ethical vegetarianism to the list.

It's really a simple formula:

a) invent arbitrary moral standard
b) feel superior to those you judge to be less moral than yourself
c) (optional, but logical conclusion) since you are better than them, you are justified in taking any action against them

Even then, equating people protesting against a game, a GAME, with acts of arson, murder and terrorism is beyond the pale, even on the Internet.

I don't like the idea of Kickstarter censoring products that are clearly quite legal to produce. I don't mind some degree of government censorship (though I think even that frequently goes too far -- for example, Alan Moore's _Lost Girls_ graphic novels could technically be regarded as illegal in a UK court). But Kickstarter's entire raison-d'etre is to allow a direct link between customers and creatives, bypassing the need to have projects green-lit by big companies, studios, major publishers, etc. Once it starts bowing to pressure from external sources... it's a slippery slope. Some people would indeed like to see wargames banned because they "glorify war", or see almost all minis of females banned because they objectify women, or see demonic-themed games banned because they're Satanic... how much do we want Kickstarter to listen to those people?

brettz123 wrote:

TheSecretSquig wrote:Well I've just re pledged through Sodapop's site my $60. Don't know why they didn't go this route in the first place. Being a big fan of Anime and Manga, I can't wait to receive the game, artwork, and models. Funnily enough, it will arrive just in time for my Wife and I's holiday to Japan. Something to play on the Plane / Train which won't even raise an eyebrow over there.

To all the 'Moral Police'. I call you HYPERCRITES. The Alien Tentacle Anime theme is well established in Tokyo Pop Culture and raises no eyebrows whatsoever. This Alien Tentacle Rape is 'unacceptable' and wrong by your standards. Fine no issue, everyone is entitled to their opinion. We in the Western World have something called Freedom (or so I thought). You have a choice. If you don't like it, don't buy, look at it. What gets my back up is 'because I think it’s wrong, then it shouldn't be allowed'. As long as its legal, what’s the issue? Clearly there are no laws being broken by Sodapop, but people insist that their views are best ‘so let’s get the Project shut down’....

2. People have the freedom to support this project if they want and people also have the freedom to not support it. You sir are the one acting like a hypocrite. Kickstarter is a private institution run by private citizens who also have the right in a free society to allow or disallow any project they want to. That is what freedom is all about.

If as you so put above, people have the freedom to support something or not, then please explain why the people not supporting have applied pressure to have Kickstarter close the project down?

So by your definition above, you are free to support something, but not free to support something you find offensive (but legal). If you don't want to support it, you apply pressure to make sure no one else can support it. By definition that Sir, that is Hypocritical.

The point is, Kickstarter allowed the Project, supported it, and even highlighted it as a staff choice. A couple of people find it offensive. So instead of just walking by, they then write biased articles, applying pressure on Kickstarter, who then cave in for fear of bad PR, and cancel it. You either support it or you don't. You don't change your mind half way through.

TheSecretSquig wrote:
If as you so put above, people have the freedom to support something or not, then please explain why the people not supporting have applied pressure to have Kickstarter close the project down?

Simple they live in a free society and have the freedom / right to pressure a company to not sell / support a product they find offensive (obviously the company has the right to tell them to go punt but kickstarter chose not to do that). I don't see what is complicated about that.

TheSecretSquig wrote:
So by your definition above, you are free to support something, but not free to support something you find offensive (but legal). If you don't want to support it, you apply pressure to make sure no one else can support it. By definition that Sir, that is Hypocritical.

I never said anything about that so I'm not sure why you are making that up? That is not hypocritical at all unless you are trying to make it so other people can't apply pressure to get something their own way. Please read and understand what hypocritical actually means. Link supplied directly below:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hypocritical?s=t

I never once even hinted that if you find something immoral or offensive that you are required to pressure anyone to do anything . Stop making up things to be upset about in other peoples posts.

TheSecretSquig wrote:
The point is, Kickstarter allowed the Project, supported it, and even highlighted it as a staff choice. A couple of people find it offensive. So instead of just walking by, they then write biased articles, applying pressure on Kickstarter, who then cave in for fear of bad PR, and cancel it. You either support it or you don't. You don't change your mind half way through.

That is not correct. As more information becomes available anyone is allowed to change their mind. Why wouldn't you change your mind if you now have a different view on something? That is just ridiculous. You have no evidence it was just a couple of people. It could have easily been thousands if a conservative group actually organized to do this. And in a free society the people who run kickstarter have the right to change their mind. It's called freedom my friend and part of freedom is dealing with people doing things you don't like just like sometimes people have to deal with you doing things they don't like.

AgentProvacateur wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=dL1n1mEBWvc

The video ends with:

"PLEASE DO NOT SUPPORT GAMES THAT TRIVIALIZE VIOLENCE. SERIOUSLY. DON'T BE A DICK."

Lol, I guess that has some major implications here at Dakka. Or Boardgamegeek, for that matter. I'd like to see this guy do a video about Risk. He could call it "Colonialist Oppression" or something similarly insightful.


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Agamemnon2 wrote:Even then, equating people protesting against a game, a GAME, with acts of arson, murder and terrorism is beyond the pale, even on the Internet.

How about equating a game, a GAME, with acts of rape?

This is getting ridiculous...