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**Kurce**

insaniak wrote:
Kurce wrote:Ya know... I am not surprised that people are that stupid to think that you could ally with yourself. I cannot believe that people actually thought this...

I was going to point out that this was bordering on the rude... but I'm still trying to figure out how those two statements manage to coexist in the same paragraph.

So how about we settle with: 'Please, keep it civil', accept that some people made judgements based on incomplete rumours or out of date information and move on?

I do not think the two are mutually exclusive. I had a little paragraph typed out explaining what I meant but I figured you would give me an infraction for it just by virtue of mentioning that someone else is stupid so I just decided not to post it.

Either way, so I have read that vehicles no longer leave craters when they blow up. When a vehicle becomes wrecked does it still just leave the vehicle there in place? If so, can your opponent drive his tanks over it? I remember watching a game where a guy wrecked his opponent's Rhino and drove his Predator on top of his opponent's Rhino so he could get a better view of the board. It is a silly rule in my opinion.

**balsak_da_mighty**

Jayden63 wrote:
Sephyr wrote:
Akroma06 wrote: No one ever said DE had to be an assaulty army.

Open-topped transports, wyches, Incubi, Wracks, Grotesques, Talos, Lelith, Drazhar, Lady Malys, Hellions, Baron Sathonyx... *pant pant*

*breathe*

...Mandrakes, Beasts would all like a word with you on DE not being an assaulty army.

I really expect the DE to get one of the more detailed and longer FAQs. Much of their codex will become worthless if you loose 1/3 to 1/2 of the squad to overwatch fire. This also effects things like Eldar aspect warriors, trukk boys, kroot, etc. Overwatch does really nothing against the standard MEQ, but brutalizes anything with a 5+ or worse armor save.

Thats funny as it reminds me of the 3rd ed DE codex, half of their wargear was useless. And what do you know most of the Assault armies are with crappy saves. So this snap fire/overwatch stuff is going to kill those armies as well as the remove from the front. I am expecting this to be a very shooty edition. I don't forsee many armies trying to assault except for maybe marines as they can handle the snapshot/overwatch fire. It will be an interesting thing for sure.

**daedalus-templarius**

So, can you use hullpoints to negate the effects from the damage table?

Because if you can't, vehicles can still be 1 shot if the attacker is lucky enough with their roll; which is what I thought they wanted to avoid.

Landraider pen, remove 1 hull point for being a pen, roll on damage table, 6; BOOM! :|

**Mandor**

RiTides wrote:Fleet is NOT useless! In fantasy, the equivalent / similar rule (swiftstride) that allows you to roll 3 dice and pick the highest 2 for assaulting, is incredibly useful.

I could be wrong, but from what I've read I think fleet allows you to reroll only 1 of the assault dice? Which would mean you could keep a high number and reroll a low. Which could be extremely useful for making it into assaults.

Fifth edition
Fleet units' assault range: 1d6 + 6" range, for an average of 9.5", maximum of 12"
Non-fleet units' assault range: 6" range.

Sixth edition
Fleet units' assault range: 2d6 with reroll, for an average of 7", maximum of 12"
Non-fleet units' assault range: 2d6 (with reroll on jump packs and possibly more), for an average of 7", maximum of 12"

So what does fleet offer me again?

**rattman**

davethepak wrote:Rattman:

1 - Thank you for doing this.
2 - Can we get a clarification on snipers....even the reddit flow had some contradiction in it.
* they for certain pick the target model if they roll a 6
* do they still have some kind of rend, or ap 1/2 on a 6 to hit or wound?
the rifle is str X ap 6, heavy 1 sniper, sniper USR wounds on 4+ and has rending as well as precision attack if the hit roll is a 6 (note ALL characters have preciosion attack)
3 - Rapid fire - again, contradictory reports - can a unit move and still shoot once at max range?
it does not say you can or cant (that I can find) the fluff for rapid fire says "can be effictively shot from the hip while advancing, so I say yes you can, but thats a judgement call on my part
4 - Rending attacks: again, contradictory reports.
* does rending get ap2 on a 6 to hit or wound?
ap2 on a hit of 6 to wound
* does rending auto wound on a 6 to hit?
no wound
5 - Is the smash thing MC's get, is it: Auto hit, is it I10?
yes jump troops also get it, str of attack is str of model
Thank you again sir.

**Ascalam**

Pyriel- wrote:
30 points which may or may not be killing any terminators, on an already expensive vehicle. Thats 30 per shot.

Yeah and the points are more then earned back for every one of those shots.

If they hit dead on and if the enemy is dumb enough to clump up 200 pts of termies into a space hittable by the blast (unlikely)..

And that's always assuming you have some Termies in sight to shoot at before your spendy paper plane is shot down.

Still not worth it IMO. Disintegrator Ravagers might well become more common though..

**Baronyu**

pretre wrote:
Mandor wrote:
That plus fleet made useless, every vehicle can now move flatout, AP2 or AP3 special weapons, losing 9 minus D6 assault range from transports not even counting overwatch deaths, every skimmer getting a 5+ save, etc.

Read the first post again. Especially the part about 'DON'T PANIC'.

I know, I know, don't panic, but at the very least, we DE whiners are still talking about the topic: "6th ed rumour". We're participating in the discussion on how the rumoured assault changes have affected us, in a rumour thread. It's not like we're sending threats to GW and burning our DE models already out of sadness... We'll save that for when we've confirmed our doom.

In any case, I just realised that our run drug will be useless as well, if all rumours so far turned out to be true.

I think, as a DE player, I can see how others aren't seeing the same thing, we're used to being the speedy assault army, we have army-wide run+charge, giving us, at the very minimum, a 7" assault range, in exchange for our amazing speed, we have poor strength and poor defense. With the 6th ed rumours so far though, it seems we have lost the speed advantage of our army, and are just left with the poor defense part, if not poorer defense(5+ FNP).

No, 2D6" isn't a buff for any army that has fleet assault, we got 12" max assault range in 5th ed already, but now we're rolling 2-12" vs 7"-12" of before. It's a buff to every army out there that doesn't have fleet assault(though, from my understanding, they get FC or other goodness in exchange), because they too would have a chance to do 12" assault now.

I am glad that our Talos/Cronos are getting better, but I wouldn't say they got better, but more like the rest of the army has gotten weaker, so even a Talos/Cronos looks good to us.

**Wrath**

@Rattman: Wound allocation. How exactly does it work?

In a multi AP attack how do you decide when to allocate a hit?

Example: Crisis suit attacks a unit. 1 MP<AP4> and 1 Plas<AP2> hit and wound. Lets say the closest guy has an Inv save. is the Defender allowed to put the plas on the nearest and a MP on the next guy? Is that even how it works in 6E?

**Matt.Kingsley**

except they now can't run in the shooting phase so deep striking termies will be in that position

**Joey**

Mandor wrote:
RiTides wrote:Fleet is NOT useless! In fantasy, the equivalent / similar rule (swiftstride) that allows you to roll 3 dice and pick the highest 2 for assaulting, is incredibly useful.

I could be wrong, but from what I've read I think fleet allows you to reroll only 1 of the assault dice? Which would mean you could keep a high number and reroll a low. Which could be extremely useful for making it into assaults.

Fifth edition
Fleet units' assault range: 1d6 + 6" range, for an average of 9.5", maximum of 12"
Non-fleet units' assault range: 6" range.

Sixth edition
Fleet units' assault range: 2d6 with reroll, for an average of 7", maximum of 12"
Non-fleet units' assault range: 2d6 (with reroll on jump packs and possibly more), for an average of 7", maximum of 12"

So what does fleet offer me again?

The ability to do maths?
2D6 with one re-roll is not 7". I have no idea what it is, I'm not good enough at maths. I'd guess an extra couple of inches.

**RegulusBlack**

dear Rattman thx for doing this.

Battle bros. = use all equipment (death company in vendettas for example) and abilities (Sang Priest in guard blob for universal FnP?) or do they just like each other a whole lot?

**H.B.M.C.**

Alpharius wrote:Hard to see how Tyranids would ally with anyone, no matter what the circumstances.

I agree, but some of the other alliances on that table are so arbitrary and/or fluff-breaking that I can't see a good reason why they were singled out for 'Always Alone' treatment.

**Akroma06**

Sephyr wrote:
Akroma06 wrote: No one ever said DE had to be an assaulty army.

Open-topped transports, wyches, Incubi, Wracks, Grotesques, Talos, Lelith, Drazhar, Lady Malys, Hellions, Baron Sathonyx... *pant pant*

*breathe*

...Mandrakes, Beasts would all like a word with you on DE not being an assaulty army.

Kabalite Warriors, kabalite trueborn, ravagers, scourges, reavers, open-topped transports, razorwings, voidravens, venoms. The point is that it doesn't HAVE to be assaulty. Shooty works to and in an edition that IMO (without a book) looks to be shooty heavy DE will survive.

As for the missiles...that is 30pts per shot an an expensive (although I get it now) vehicle that you still get an invul save on so TH/SS termis don't really care and that is after a wounds or toughness test (can't remember) so it is far from a guaranteed thing and that is probably the only thing that can reliably take on termis as I really doubt dissies will show back up in this codex...now if we get the old ones back...now I'm just being silly.

**MPJ**

2 - Can we get a clarification on snipers....even the reddit flow had some contradiction in it.
* they for certain pick the target model if they roll a 6
* do they still have some kind of rend, or ap 1/2 on a 6 to hit or wound?
the rifle is str X ap 6, heavy 1 sniper, sniper USR wounds on 4+ and has rending as well as precision attack if the hit roll is a 6 (note ALL characters have preciosion attack)

Deathmarks will be awesome in 6th edition

Also, whilst reading the latest WD earlier, one of the GW employees talking about how his Tau will improve during 6th specifically said with regards to fire warriors and I quote "not only can they move and still rapid fire up to 30" away..."

Either he means they are firing rapid firing weapons once at 30" or units can move and fire twice which makes Deathmarks even better!

**Joey**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Alpharius wrote:Hard to see how Tyranids would ally with anyone, no matter what the circumstances.

I agree, but some of the other alliances on that table are so arbitrary and/or fluff-breaking that I can't see a good reason why they were singled out for 'Always Alone' treatment.

Like what?

**Matt.Kingsley**

I can answer this! (as I did so about 20-30 pages back)
batle bro's are counted as friendly units, so they can embark in other transports, be joined by other IC's and gain benefit to any rules that effect friendly units, including warlord traits.
Everthing else are counted as enemies, and don't benefit from the things mentioned above.

EDIT: of and any warlord traits that effect enemies ALSO effect them non-battle bros., so keep them away from your warlord

**RegulusBlack**

thx Matt

**Ovion**

Rattman can you please confirm if this:

Spoiler:

is accurate or not?

And / or post a pic of the FoC page if you can?

Thanks in advance.

**rattman**

Wrath wrote:@Rattman: Wound allocation. How exactly does it work?

In a multi AP attack how do you decide when to allocate a hit?

Example: Crisis suit attacks a unit. 1 MP<AP4> and 1 Plas<AP2> hit and wound. Lets say the closest guy has an Inv save. is the Defender allowed to put the plas on the nearest and a MP on the next guy? Is that even how it works in 6E?

Been dreading the wound allocation questuin, read it a few times and still not happy with my understanding of it, think I will beg off that question till I get chance to see it in a real game

**Joey**

Ovion wrote:Rattman can you please confirm if this:

Spoiler:

is accurate or not?

And / or post a pic of the FoC page if you can?

Thanks in advance.

Ignore this post!

**Crazyterran**

ok so pyschic powers
biomancy
primary power is a basic smite

caster gets D3 str and toughness
target unit get -1 str and toughness
target unit get FNP
assault 2 every unsaved would heals one off caster
pysker get +d3 init
target makes toughness test or take 1 wound no save, if slain jumps to model with in 2' and make save. continue till someone saves or no targets left

divination
primary target unit rerolls failed hits
psycher and unit gain counter attack and get full BS for overwatch
target unit gain 4++
target unit must reroll passed armor saves
psycher and unit ignore cover
psyker rerolls failed failed hits, wounds and armor saves
psyker roll 3 dicechoose the result you want when rolling for reserves, outflank and mysterious terrain

pyromancy
primary flame breath (flamer)
psyker gains 4+ invo
target unit gains 4+ cover save
flame attack assault 1, sould blaze (no idea) blast, ignore cover
target model takes 1 wound , no armor or cover save allowed, place small blast template anyone hit takes a str 4 ap 5 hit
assault 2d6, blind, ignore cover attack
str 8, ap 1 assault 1, melta

telekenisis
assault 1 str 6 . strikedown (halves init and target moves as if its dangerous terrain)
roll 2d6 target takes hit equal to strength (11 or 12 auto wound) ap is equal to seperate dice roll
remove models from table, deepstrike within 24 inchs of where they were
hostile unit must reroll hits and wounds of 6
assault D6 pinning attack
all friendlies with 12 inchs get 5++
str 10, heavy 1 blast

telepathy
primary 3d6 - target leadership wounds to target unit
target unit has to make leadership roll or do nothing
target freindly stops falling back and gets fearless
hostile model makes an attack as if it owned by psyker
target hostile losses fearless and treats all units as fear causing
invisibility gains shrouding and stealth, hostiles charged by this unit lose counter attack and fight at WS 1
roll on table 1-2 unit pinned, 3-4 cannot run, shoot or stirke blows 5-6 attack own unit

Thank you very much, Rattman! You made my day!

Now to figure out if the tables are better than Vanilla Marine powers.

**Matt.Kingsley**

MPJ wrote:2 - Can we get a clarification on snipers....even the reddit flow had some contradiction in it.
* they for certain pick the target model if they roll a 6
* do they still have some kind of rend, or ap 1/2 on a 6 to hit or wound?
the rifle is str X ap 6, heavy 1 sniper, sniper USR wounds on 4+ and has rending as well as precision attack if the hit roll is a 6 (note ALL characters have preciosion attack)

Deathmarks will be awesome in 6th edition

Also, whilst reading the latest WD earlier, one of the GW employees talking about how his Tau will improve during 6th specifically said with regards to fire warriors and I quote "not only can they move and still rapid fire up to 30" away..."

Either he means they are firing rapid firing weapons once at 30" or units can move and fire twice which makes Deathmarks even better!

moving: 1 shot full range/2 shots half range
standing still: 2 shots full range/2 shots half range

so, yes, deathmarks just got an upgrade and should now FIRMLY be the best snipers in the game... can't wait to roll some 6's and allocate wounds on my target unit....good bye mister powerfist...

And seeming all our close combat weapons that ignore armour are not listed as power weapons (just says ignores armour save) we can kill termies with our basic 'power sword' (hyperphase sword) while everyone else can't

ah the joys of being a necron...

**Wrath**

rattman wrote:
Wrath wrote:@Rattman: Wound allocation. How exactly does it work?

In a multi AP attack how do you decide when to allocate a hit?

Example: Crisis suit attacks a unit. 1 MP<AP4> and 1 Plas<AP2> hit and wound. Lets say the closest guy has an Inv save. is the Defender allowed to put the plas on the nearest and a MP on the next guy? Is that even how it works in 6E?

Been dreading the wound allocation questuin, read it a few times and still not happy with my understanding of it, think I will beg off that question till I get chance to see it in a real game

lol that bad huh?

**Baronyu**

Joey wrote:
The ability to do maths?
2D6 with one re-roll is not 7". I have no idea what it is, I'm not good enough at maths. I'd guess an extra couple of inches.

I'd say the difference is that for most DE assault units, when we disembark from our paper boats, we'd want them to be guaranteed assault, so they can't be shot at. While, say a MEq or horde assault unit, would fare a lot better standing in the open either through sheer number or good armour save. So while 2D6" with reroll can possibly get us the same range as before, we'd prefer knowing that we have 7" safe assault distance, rather than having an increased chance of being shot at from overwatch, then again for failing an assault.

I wouldn't argue that for non-fleet armies, they got buffed with 2D6", but on DE's perspective, we certainly got nerfed hard. If all rumours are true.

Also, what is so speedy about DE anymore if we can't do better assault distance than any army out there?

Akroma06 wrote:
Kabalite Warriors, kabalite trueborn, ravagers, scourges, reavers, open-topped transports, razorwings, voidravens, venoms. The point is that it doesn't HAVE to be assaulty. Shooty works to and in an edition that IMO (without a book) looks to be shooty heavy DE will survive.

As for the missiles...that is 30pts per shot an an expensive (although I get it now) vehicle that you still get an invul save on so TH/SS termis don't really care and that is after a wounds or toughness test (can't remember) so it is far from a guaranteed thing and that is probably the only thing that can reliably take on termis as I really doubt dissies will show back up in this codex...now if we get the old ones back...now I'm just being silly.

Combat drugs, furious charge from power from pain, army-wide fleet.

Also, for competitive reason, we'd have lost our already weaker-assault options, and the already-stronger shooty DE option is all that's left for us... Personally, I prefer having the choice between an 1 and a 2, rather than a -10 and a 2. Kinda make the assault build pointless, wouldn't you say?

**rattman**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:I can answer this! (as I did so about 20-30 pages back)
batle bro's are counted as friendly units, so they can embark in other transports, be joined by other IC's and gain benefit to any rules that effect friendly units, including warlord traits.
Everthing else are counted as enemies, and don't benefit from the things mentioned above.

Sorry thats wrong, IC can lead allied squad. But CANNOT embark in allied vehicles. no asault marines in valk. pisses me off because I wont be able carry bjorn into battle in a storm raven playing flight of the valkyrie

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
standing still: 2 shots full range/2 shots half range

Wrong no example I could find allows you 2 shots at max range

**Leth**

Maelstrom808 wrote:
Mr Morden wrote:
Dytalus wrote:
Maige wrote:Mr Morden: thats not a change in fluff - thats acknowledging and following the fluff.

Then what the hell is Necrons + GK supposed to represent?

A cheesy Matt Ward wet dream?

Necrons and GK already have an interaction, since it's heavily hinted that the Necrons gave the GK their Tesseract Labyrinth things.

I thought it was that Inquisitor Valeria (?) was sent one as a gift afer she tried to raid a Necron world? I can see however that the Necrons would be in favour of disrupting the influence of Chaos in the material world and so might attack daemonic incursions at the same time as Gk's did and ignore them as a secondary target

Basically Valeria invaded Trazyn's halls, big fight ensued. She escaped and he captured a bunch of her men and sent her the Tesserach Labyrinth as a f-you with a side of lulztrollface. Essentially he was sending it as a trap for her, but if she was smart enough to escape it's clutches (she obviously was), she could consider it a "gift" (basically showing how little of a threat he thinks her to be.) Someone in the GW office must have read that and not gotten the joke and though "Oh, they must be best buds!"

That's my take on the whole situation anyway.

It kind of makes my want to make a tiny little trollface mask to put on Trazyn now. like a cheap halloween mask

Actually she contacted him after fighting her way free of his halls saying that one of his dioramas was in correct and offered to send him some dudes to make it accurate. He was grateful and sent her a prize that would also be a trap.

I am looking forward to this edition more and more, and honestly I cant see people playing many of these combos that people worry about. Also with these changes for 6th edition I see a lot of things in the G knights book are balanced out a bit(things like halberds). The solar pulse for the necrons(and imotek) are much more balanced out I think. People complain about the randomness added to the game but at the same time I feel like they have removed a good portion of it as well and made things very reliable(with things like premeasuring)

**Matt.Kingsley**

(in reply to rattman)
really? that's

...
oh well, I assumed you could, I was wrong...

god damn it

**Joey**

How do blasts work now? As 5th edition but you don't subtract BS? How about indirect fire?

**Ovion**

Joey wrote:
Ovion wrote:Rattman can you please confirm if this:

Spoiler:

is accurate or not?

And / or post a pic of the FoC page if you can?

Thanks in advance.

Ignore this post!

But... why? It's basically the only damn question I have! ><

**Joey**

Ovion wrote:
Joey wrote:
Ovion wrote:Rattman can you please confirm if this:

Spoiler:

is accurate or not?

And / or post a pic of the FoC page if you can?

Thanks in advance.

Ignore this post!

But... why? It's basically the only damn question I have! ><

I didn't realise ratman was around and responding to posts, thought you were just spamming. My apologies!