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It adds new areas, improves guard AI/patrol routes as well as adding more guards to houses/shops and adding valuable locked chests to shops with hidden keys.

The latest version also adds a huge vault under solitude full of valuables that is incredibly hard to break into.

Does it solve the biggest problem with thieving in Skyrim? A lack of anything to spend money on.

I've got like 500k gold and probably twice that much in items sitting in my "to be sold" pile. Yet, once you've bought all the spells and houses, there's never anything worth buying.

Grakmar wrote:Does it solve the biggest problem with thieving in Skyrim? A lack of anything to spend money on.

I've got like 500k gold and probably twice that much in items sitting in my "to be sold" pile. Yet, once you've bought all the spells and houses, there's never anything worth buying.

Not to mention selling all that gear is a pain. Right now skill training for skill below 90 is helping take care of my excess cash. Generally running 80-120k.

KingCracker wrote:
That ghost fellow is Lucian, from Oblivion, have some respect would ya! And I rather liked Cicero, I felt bad for him

If you're having jester problems i feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but clowns ain't one.

purplefood wrote:

KingCracker wrote:
That ghost fellow is Lucian, from Oblivion, have some respect would ya! And I rather liked Cicero, I felt bad for him

If you're having jester problems i feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but clowns ain't one.

6/10

pretre wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KingCracker wrote:
That ghost fellow is Lucian, from Oblivion, have some respect would ya! And I rather liked Cicero, I felt bad for him

If you're having jester problems i feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems but clowns ain't one.

6/10

I'll admit, i have done better but i have done worse...

purplefood wrote:I'll admit, i have done better but i have done worse...

S'okay... Cicero and I still love you.

pretre wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'll admit, i have done better but i have done worse...

S'okay... Cicero and I still love you.

I killed Cicero... twice...

purplefood wrote:I killed Cicero... twice...

And lo, he arose again to give you a big hug, forgive you and wet willy you.

I just hit that quest, I may spare him.

I kinda want to make a 'true economy' mod. See about adding in additional coinage- silver pieces, copper pieces, etc. Food only costs a couple copper at the most, while even basic iron armour costs thousands of gold.

It'd be quite the undertaking, but I think I'd enjoy it.

Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

Exactly.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

Exactly.

So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

Exactly.

So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?

Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

Exactly.

So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?

Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.

Well yeah that's the reason i would have sided with the Imperial if they hadn't tried to kill me...

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

purplefood wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Still neutral in the Civil War. I'll give them credit for not making one side the obvious good guys and the others the obvious bad guys. Both have some valid points.

One's racist and the other one tried to kill me.
They both get on to my special list...

Exactly.

So rather than try to make them both seem like good guys they have tried to make you choose between the least evil between the two?

Not to get too smart but there's interesting political ramifications too. As a non-quebecois Canadian I'm instinctually against separatism. Especially when unity is needed in the face of a threat like the Thalmor. On the other hand, it probably wouldn't have even come to this if they hadn't outlawed Talos worship. That's a hell of a thing. Freedom of religon isn't actually that important to me, especially in psuedo-medieval times but in a way Talos is like the "Human God" and a Nord too boot. It's like outlawing the Imperial Cult on Terra. Obviously this is going to cause rebellion, it really was inevitable. However that law is a bit of a paper tiger. No Imperials enforce it afaik.
And I'm not even a Nord. And the Stormcloaks are very much "A Skyrim for Nords" race based nationalistic movement. That's not good for scaly minorities like me.
Anyways, I think I'll go with the Imperials because I still think the Empire needs to stay as strong as it can because the Thalmor will be back but I understand the Stormcloak motivations.

Well yeah that's the reason i would have sided with the Imperial if they hadn't tried to kill me...

Well, you don't know what you did. Maybe you deserved it.

I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...

purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...

I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.

See, I'd have sided with the Imperials too.

And then I talked to a Thalmor Justiciar.

Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".

To be quite honest, I don't see Skyrim any more racist than the United States is.

Both have their bad apples who everyone focuses on, both have their bad apples in positions of power, and both ruin the reputation of the others.

I lean towards the Imperials just because the Thalmor will very likely be able to enslave the rest of Tamriel if the Empire does not stay together as is.

Hammerfell was able to fend off the Thalmor from invading their land when they seceded from the Empire, but that was immediately after the war with the Imperials.

For the long term health of Tamriel and the Orisinum, and for the ultimate destruction or pacification of the Thalmor, siding with the Empire is the best way to do so.

Skyrim would simply not be able to fight off the Thalmor on their own, its just not conceivable.

I side with the Imperials on the presumption that they will eventually turn hostile to the Thalmor in the near future and start whooping their ass, not because the Stormcloaks are "racist" or any other such simple generalization of a large force of people.

I don't see a Stormcloak Skyrim allowing the reconstruction and long term health of another Orsinium, so that is another factor.

In no way is it clear cut, however. If you simply wanted Skyrim to be on its own, and for them to join the Imperials as separate province to fight the Thalmor, that would very likely be the preferred option overall.

It really depends on what Bethesda says the victor does AFTERWARDS that really matters, the war in of itself is largely irrelevant.

Anyone think the armor that JohnCarter is wearing in the trailer looks like a ripoff of the 'dragonborn' armor?

(ie studded iirc)

Karon wrote:To be quite honest, I don't see Skyrim any more racist than the United States is.

Both have their bad apples who everyone focuses on, both have their bad apples in positions of power, and both ruin the reputation of the others.

I lean towards the Imperials just because the Thalmor will very likely be able to enslave the rest of Tamriel if the Empire does not stay together as is.

Hammerfell was able to fend off the Thalmor from invading their land when they seceded from the Empire, but that was immediately after the war with the Imperials.

For the long term health of Tamriel and the Orisinum, and for the ultimate destruction or pacification of the Thalmor, siding with the Empire is the best way to do so.

Skyrim would simply not be able to fight off the Thalmor on their own, its just not conceivable.

I side with the Imperials on the presumption that they will eventually turn hostile to the Thalmor in the near future and start whooping their ass, not because the Stormcloaks are "racist" or any other such simple generalization of a large force of people.

I don't see a Stormcloak Skyrim allowing the reconstruction and long term health of another Orsinium, so that is another factor.

In no way is it clear cut, however. If you simply wanted Skyrim to be on its own, and for them to join the Imperials as separate province to fight the Thalmor, that would very likely be the preferred option overall.

It really depends on what Bethesda says the victor does AFTERWARDS that really matters, the war in of itself is largely irrelevant.

This puts it well. Beyond re-canonising (or indeed re-deuifying) Tiber septim, the god of the common human, the stormcloaks have no long-term worth. They will only weaken man and the mer who dont wish to live under the aldmeri dominion. The Empire is the only choice.

Alfndrate wrote:

purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...

I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.

...what? Killed The Emperor?!


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Anvildude wrote:See, I'd have sided with the Imperials too.

And then I talked to a Thalmor Justiciar.

Seriously, that one conversation completely changed my whole allegiance- from "I've served the Empire faithfully all my life" to "Screw you and the Empire that coddles you".

That must have been one hell of a conversation. Where's this guy?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Alfndrate wrote:

purplefood wrote:I probably did.
But i like me and they tried to kill me.
In my eyes that deserves a good old fashioned stabbing...
Though i'd side with them against the stormcloaks who really don't like me...

I found a nice middle ground with my Dunmer... I joined the Dark Brotherhood, killed the Emperor, and then went and sided with the Imperials to make sure they could make it through that tough time.

...what? Killed The Emperor?!

Oooo "someone" hasn't joined the Dark Brotherhood yet

Wasn't planning to. Why would The Brotherhood want the Emperor dead?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Wasn't planning to. Why would The Brotherhood want the Emperor dead?

They don't, but somebody does.

The Dark Brotherhood is....evil though right?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:The Dark Brotherhood is....evil though right?

To a child, yes. If you consider people who are hired to kill other people to be evil, then yes.

As opposed to?