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They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Dshrike wrote:In my local community, the Ultramarine haters are usually individuals who conform to the idea that they should be non-conformist and fight against anything popular (both in reality and in-universe.)

Honestly, 40k needs a chapters like the Ultramarines from a literary point of view because the contrast they provide helps make Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and other chapters more distinct.

the sole purpose UM serve besides being in every poster/rulebook cover/starter set/etc...

That's a mass over-exaggeration but, meh.

I was obviously exagerating but you cant doubt that you need some sort of stereotypical marines so that the rest can diferentiate from the lot

I don't doubt that. I doubt that they are so widely used as the poster boys as some people like to think. Yes, they are a lot more prominent, but they aren't the only thing GW uses to advertise, that job falls to generic Space Marines of varying color, not always The Ultramarines.

True but without the Ultramarines, Space Wolves wouldnt look so frenzy, Blood Angels wouldnt look so vampiric etc etc
They are the 'good' marines, the ones that others compare to not because they are the best but because the are the typical marines like the good guys you see in a war movie

thenoobbomb wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:Haters should just think about what it would be like if the UM and some other chapter switched places. For instance, the BA. What if the BA were the poster boys? Would you be doing this to the BA?
The answer then is, of course, most definitely!

And why have a lot of the GW stuff gotten more expensive lately?

If Blood angels were, they still werent the perfect wonder boys, and thus far the same.

And why do people keep calling BA Space Vampires? its not that they drink blood, thats their succesor chapter the Blood Drinkers.. (whats in a name..)

Because Edward was their primarch . All kidding aside its the rituals and the general motiff I think.

Plus the fangs... I think they drink blood in their rage though.

Astorath is pretty much based on a vampire lookswise too. Also given that their successor chapters have names like Flesh Tearers and Blood Drinkers, there's more going on with them than nice hairdos.
The Black Rage is the vampire part coming out in an uncontrolled fashion. The rest of their image though seems to be very clean cut with lots of blond so quite a range.


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As for Ultras, why can't GW use random codex chapters to decorate the front of their boxes. That way it shows the new player that they don't have to paint them blue.

Nope, The Red Thirst is the vampire part, The Black Rage is entirely different.

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston survived.

Flesh Tearers dont drink blood, only Blood Drinkers. And the Red Thirst is no lust for drinking blood, its a lust for close combat.

No, The Red Thirst is literally a drive to drink the enemies blood. True, there's certain degrees, but fully succumbing to it will make you thirst for blood.


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thenoobbomb wrote:

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston survived.

Flesh Tearers dont drink blood, only Blood Drinkers. And the Red Thirst is no lust for drinking blood, its a lust for close combat.

Yea, that's who he's talking about, he looks like a Vampire.

KingDeath wrote:Nothing is wrong with Ultramarines. Sure, some of their fluff is...let's say exagerated, but other chapter's aren't better. At least they don't life in unhealthy relationships with canines or are still emo because their primarch got strangled by Horus ( or have an abomination like Draigo... )


Blood Angels are not emo, and Sanguinius sacrificed himself to save the Imperium


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cadbren wrote:Astorath is pretty much based on a vampire lookswise too. Also given that their successor chapters have names like Flesh Tearers and Blood Drinkers, there's more going on with them than nice hairdos.
The Black Rage is the vampire part coming out in an uncontrolled fashion. The rest of their image though seems to be very clean cut with lots of blond so quite a range.

The Red thirst is the one that makes them drink blood, the Black Rage is caused by seeing/hearing/psychically feeling Sanguinius' death scream

thenoobbomb wrote:

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston survived.

Thank you, Cpt. Obvious.

no problem....

thenoobbomb wrote:

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston survived.

Flesh Tearers dont drink blood, only Blood Drinkers. And the Red Thirst is no lust for drinking blood, its a lust for close combat.

Actually, it IS the lust for blood. That is why it is called the Red Thirst. They drink their enemies blood.

The reason people hate Ultramarines is because, no matter how much they want to, no matter how awesome their Ultramarine army could be, they realise they can never actually be Ultramarines.

It's jealousy, fo rell.

Void__Dragon wrote:The reason people hate Ultramarines is because, no matter how much they want to, no matter how awesome their Ultramarine army could be, they realise they can never actually be Ultramarines.

It's jealousy, fo rell.

Being a celibate smurf or a viking smurf, I know my choice

I have no idea why someone would hate them. I mean, really. It's just a chapter in the 40K universe, same as all the others. I really don't see the logic in hating them.

iproxtaco wrote:Nope, The Red Thirst is the vampire part, The Black Rage is entirely different.

True, though in regards the Black Rage I was thinking about the uncontrollable vampires that exist in movie like Daybreaker that then need to be killed because they can't control themselves anymore.

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Elector hit it on the head.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

cadbren wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Nope, The Red Thirst is the vampire part, The Black Rage is entirely different.

True, though in regards the Black Rage I was thinking about the uncontrollable vampires that exist in movie like Daybreaker that then need to be killed because they can't control themselves anymore.

The Black Rage doesn't really have any vampirey-ness about it, although I see what you mean.

I can't believe this is still going.

NOTHING is wrong with the Ultramarines. We are just the coolest, nicest and Bluest of the bunch. Ultramarines are awsome. Fact.

iproxtaco wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Omegus wrote:They have blood rituals, succumb to blood lust, and the only survivor of the black rage is essentially a Von Carstein.

Mephiston and Lemartes survived. There's two of them!

Lematres managed to control the Black Rage, he's fully under it's effects. Mephiston managed to suppress the Red Thirst. The two conditions are different.

If you read the codex it is actually the Black Rage that Mephiston suppressed.

As for why Ultramarines are bad it's because they are featured on every generic SM box therefore the plainest chapter is usually the only one newbies collect.

Ultramarines are a really plain army in a story with lots of complex stories and armies.

As an ingame TT army, they are equally plain in an equally complex setting.

Being plain is kind of their thing though, because they are meant to be a standard others measure themselves against in the Astartes. Just a really plain jane army.

^^Facepalm.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:Ultramarines are a really plain army in a story with lots of complex stories and armies.

As an ingame TT army, they are equally plain in an equally complex setting.

Being plain is kind of their thing though, because they are meant to be a standard others measure themselves against in the Astartes. Just a really plain jane army.

The Ultramarines are like the French.

They were awesome once under Napoleon but since then they have had our a$$ handed to us multiple times except when allies pulled us out of the fire. Yet they excude the aura of snobbishness and superiority to the point that people are polite in front of them but they are despised and ridiculed behind their backs.

Vive le Empire! Vive le Guilleman!

Still awesome