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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

I am not very well versed in nids, but she had;
30 blocks of the gribblies. I believe they were the shooting variant.
A Tyranid prime, two Tervigons,
two of the big cannon dudes that are t8.
Three hive guard
and I think something that deepstruck in the back. Not 100% sure. I went to close the tab and saw something niddy in the DW zone. They looked like warriors or something.

I left the stream, I was loosing my time by watching it.

 LunarSol wrote:
I would not call this the world's best showcase of a new army. :-(

Yeah I was super disappointed with what I saw.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

I am not very well versed in nids, but she had;
30 blocks of the gribblies. I believe they were the shooting variant.
A Tyranid prime, two Tervigons,
two of the big cannon dudes that are t8.
Three hive guard
and I think something that deepstruck in the back. Not 100% sure. I went to close the tab and saw something niddy in the DW zone. They looked like warriors or something.

A trygon and the swarmlord too

The deep striking warriors were probably shrikes, and big T8 cannon dudes sounds like tyrranofexes

What this does show though is something we all already knew. That is that for how much you pay your marines still die like flies. I really do think normal killteams will be entirely obsolete compared to Primaris. For a slight point increase you get a big boost in survivability and superior firepower.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The deep striking warriors were probably shrikes, and big T8 cannon dudes sounds like tyrranofexes

The deep strikers were a Trygon and a unit of regular Warriors on foot. The cannon-beasts were Exocrines.
As far as I can see, Ceri played an entirely competent attack, combined forces where appropriate, used her limited deep striking to disrupt rather than to alpha strike, and walked all over her opposition because the other player forgot everything except the sound FX.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
The deep striking warriors were probably shrikes, and big T8 cannon dudes sounds like tyrranofexes

The deep strikers were a Trygon and a unit of regular Warriors on foot. The cannon-beasts were Exocrines.
As far as I can see, Ceri played an entirely competent attack, combined forces where appropriate, used her limited deep striking to disrupt rather than to alpha strike, and walked all over her opposition because the other player forgot everything except the sound FX.

To be fair...
If I had to use the studio army and it was THAT bad, I'd be trying to have the same kinda fun with the sound effects.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

That's literally never been the case. They have what is painted up for showcasing in the army book and that's all.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

That's literally never been the case. They have what is painted up for showcasing in the army book and that's all.

You mean they don't use it to measure their dicks? That's absurd.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

That's literally never been the case. They have what is painted up for showcasing in the army book and that's all.

Studio painter time is expensive. You definitely don't want them to be painting up hundreds of models for a twitch demo. It's fun to see the ways companies get the most out of the painter timecards. My two favorite are from PP. For one only paints one of each unique model in a unit and takes it at a slightly different angle to photoshop in to fill the unit. The other was that at one point, the studio Magnus1 model was only painted on one side. For some reason they didn't fix this when they added the 3D rotations for everything, so when you flipped him around you found the completely unpainted back half of the model.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

That's literally never been the case. They have what is painted up for showcasing in the army book and that's all.

Wouldn't that mean that they won't have an effective army to showcase the rules? I mean, there are better ways to go about this, aren't there?
Also, weren't Deathwatch models released a couple of years ago? Surely they would have added more to the initial showcase?

most disappointing match ever.


JUST WHY LET THEY PLAY SOMEONE WHO HAS CLEARLY NO IDEA WHAT HES DOING???

DIDNT EVEN USE A CP UNTIL ROUND 3. I MEAN WTF. DID HE EVEN USE SPECIAL AMMO?


and all the nerdtalk and onomatopetic annoyance...
this was fkn embarassing...

Any word on point changes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoscO_CDzOc

 Alexonian wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoscO_CDzOc

Really sad to hear you have to pay points for bolt pistols. That is almost always going to serve as a point extra tax on all your models. Lame.

BoLS has the SIA list now. Limit on AP is fine and probably good, but makes Stalker Rifles not worth it. More exciting is that SIA is now on a bunch of weapons it didn't use to be including finally having it on Storm Bolters.

They...listened? They gave special ammo to Deathwatch Terminators?

Am I even sure I'm not in some simulation?

Seems like a huge win for the "tax" for SIA being basically a point or two.

More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

So basically you pay for the Bolters now. Not a bad move, GW. Not a bad move.

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

Well you do have to pay the 1 pt for the stupid bolt pistol though.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

Well you do have to pay the 1 pt for the stupid bolt pistol though.

Maybe you can choose to lose it for a Chainsword?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

Well you do have to pay the 1 pt for the stupid bolt pistol though.

Maybe you can choose to lose it for a Chainsword?

For veterans yes you can, but not primaris which is a big bummer.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

Well you do have to pay the 1 pt for the stupid bolt pistol though.

Maybe you can choose to lose it for a Chainsword?

For veterans yes you can, but not primaris which is a big bummer.

Eh that Bolt Pistol doesn't totally suck now. I don't mind paying a point on the Intercessors for that.

Special ammo is only +1pt (or +2 for stormbolters/combi bolters.) And mixing unit types in squads is better access to special rules than any chapter trait. So basically there is no reason to take a marine detachment and not have them be Death Watch. Even more so if they are Primaris. I don't know if DW + Guard will be tournament tier, but it'll certainly be a solid list. This seems like a good way to sell a lot of Primaris for Imperial Soup. Which I don't necessarily mind, I just hope we see SM and CSM brought up to this level.



Codex SM and CSM need complete re-writes at this point. They need chapter traits/strats that are capable of competing with special ammo and DW special rules.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
More importantly you don’t have to pay it on models not taking a Bolter

Well you do have to pay the 1 pt for the stupid bolt pistol though.

Maybe you can choose to lose it for a Chainsword?

For veterans yes you can, but not primaris which is a big bummer.

Eh that Bolt Pistol doesn't totally suck now. I don't mind paying a point on the Intercessors for that.

Getting a S4 AP -2 Shot off when in CC.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
What did Ceri use?
Also, you'd think that the studio would have freedom over what units it can have and that they'd paint up what they needed to make a good army in advance

That's literally never been the case. They have what is painted up for showcasing in the army book and that's all.

Wouldn't that mean that they won't have an effective army to showcase the rules? I mean, there are better ways to go about this, aren't there?
Also, weren't Deathwatch models released a couple of years ago? Surely they would have added more to the initial showcase?

Eh yes? Who said they have effective armies on the studio? This has been case for DECADES. They have smallish amount of each unit. Studio painters aren't free and there's only so many guys one guy CAN paint and they have constant stream of new units to paint.

They just want some guys of each unit to be used for promo pictures. Whether that's effective army is irrelevant as it's not MEANT to be good army.

As it is good army is directly opposed to having army that can be used to photograph each unit in the codex as good army would be spamming few subsection of unit a lot leaving others empty...

It was revelead they don't even have ~4000 pts of ORKS and that's pretty darn impressive feat seeing it's fairly easy to do that just by having one of everything. Look at my sig and see size of my army. That's not even containing 1 unit of everything and apart from boyz(7x30) and killa kans(11) not that much same unit spam. But then again studio probably has like 5 stormboyz, 5 lootas, 5 burnas, 5 tank bustas just to showcase but any ork player can say that if you take those you NEED more than 5. Well you don't really want to take lootas or burnas but studio army has to have those for photographs so they are there and are taking points.

And yes they were released year(s) ago. Means they didn't have more releases to paint for photography thus no need to add to army. Thus army is whatever it was when it was released. They don't paint new units just for fun. No models released(or for some other reason need new models painted for photographs like different chapter for say new space marine codex), no models painted. They have their hands full painting new models as it is.

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Codex SM and CSM need complete re-writes at this point. They need chapter traits/strats that are capable of competing with special ammo and DW special rules.

Screw that. Drop the points on my Rubrics.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Drudge Dreadnought wrote:

Codex SM and CSM need complete re-writes at this point. They need chapter traits/strats that are capable of competing with special ammo and DW special rules.

Screw that. Drop the points on my Rubrics.

If Rubrics went down to like 13pts and got some stratagems then we'd be talking. Right now Rubrics and DW intercessors cost the same, and inferno bolts are nowhere near as good.

At this point i'd like to see Cult Marines just get redone with Primaris equivalent stat lines.