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**studderingdave**

ah, there it is, THANKS! my urge to do the 6 dred army has been rekindled.

**quietus86**

1hadhq wrote:your home was hit by hunter-killer missile?

3+ = 66% to hit

wear I play we only se 20% of the missiles hit home.
its de role of only having to take 1 save you are goeing to fail that save.

**1hadhq**

quietus86 wrote:
wear I play we only se 20% of the missiles hit home.
its de role of only having to take 1 save you are goeing to fail that save.

Its called MISS-ile then?

**quietus86**

jip somting like that the peaple that call dem rockets hit more often than the peaple go call dem missiles.
don't ask me wy bit thats what I have seen in the batels at my local gw

**anduril_93**

I was able to see the new Space Marines Codex at my local store, and from what I can see, Shadow Captain Shrike can only take a command squad as a body guard, by they cannot have jump packs. Does anyone know if you will be able to give jump pack characters some for of guard?

**Blunt Force Trauma**

anduril_93 wrote:I was able to see the new Space Marines Codex at my local store, and from what I can see, Shadow Captain Shrike can only take a command squad as a body guard, by they cannot have jump packs. Does anyone know if you will be able to give jump pack characters some for of guard?

Command squads can't utilize jump packs. They can use bikes though. Vanguard veterans may be something you can run with Shrike as an alternative.

**Khornatedemon**

Do command squads work like BA honor guard now, ie they dont have to be attached to a character?

I could see cheap sallies command squads with 4 flamers/melta's in razorbacks/drop pods being fun. Kinda like the IG command section but much more survivable.

Also does terminator armor give +1 attack when you take it?

**1hadhq**

Khornatedemon wrote:Do command squads work like BA honor guard now, ie they dont have to be attached to a character?

NO. you need a captain to get a command-squad. Sicarius,Lysander,shrike and kor'sarro will count as cpt for this.
Get a cpt or a SC with the rank of a cpt. attach squad (squad needs no FOC slot.).

I could see cheap sallies command squads with 4 flamers/melta's in razorbacks/drop pods being fun. Kinda like the IG command section but much more survivable.

For multi flama/melta fun i suppose the sternguard. take 2 special weapons plus combibolter/ flamer or meltagun for every marine.
Or the full way with 2x heavy flamer.Go sallie

**Ratbarf**

I think he was refferring to how you don't actually have to put the Blood Angels characters with their commmand squads, they operate independantly of each other.

**Khornatedemon**

Pretty much what ratbarf said. I know you need the captain toget the commamd squad, but there's nothign saying he has to accompany the squad.

Sternguard are good for that purpose as well but the command squad is cheaper and more survivable with FNP.

**Breton**

blinky wrote:
JHall wrote:Marines cannot have BP/CCW unless they are assault squads

Well theres you're cause. Its interesting to think that CSM's are more flexible than "Tactical" squads. Needless to say however, we don't get our cool toys like the whirlwind, Razorback etc..

In game terms however, that extra attack can be very useful in CSM/SM combat, and given the mark of khorne makes them even more deadly, with 2/3 attacks, 4 on the charge!

I also noticed, however that their preds are a lot cheaper than ours. :(

That's what you get for leaving the Imperium and turning on the Emperor while Tech Support was still generating new weaponry.

**Aduro**

Did we ever hear how close the actual stats and equipment of the Salamanders guy is to what was rumored?

**Khornatedemon**

Aduro wrote:Did we ever hear how close the actual stats and equipment of the Salamanders guy is to what was rumored?

pretty spot on. He has a 2+/3++, a master crafted relic blade with digital lasers (re-roll one to wound roll), and a heavy flamer. He has chapter master stats.

**Aduro**

No Thunder Hammer? Boo!!

**Rosicrucian**

Khornatedemon wrote:
Aduro wrote:Did we ever hear how close the actual stats and equipment of the Salamanders guy is to what was rumored?

pretty spot on. He has a 2+/3++, a master crafted relic blade with digital lasers (re-roll one to wound roll), and a heavy flamer. He has chapter master stats.

Doesn't have Eternal Warrior though. That was rumored if I recall correctly. Only Calgar and Lysander ended up with it.

**Breton**

And don't forget probably more than 9 times out of 10 that Heavy Flamer will be twin linked.

**Aduro**

Hmmm, I was all psyched up about burning so many heathens, but if he's not got a Thunder Hammer (which i would have represented with a nicely large/ornate power fist), it really kind of kills my army's theme...

What about the Crimson Fist guy then? I've heard some say he makes Sternguard into Troops, and others say he just makes them Scoring.

**Rosicrucian**

Aduro wrote:Hmmm, I was all psyched up about burning so many heathens, but if he's not got a Thunder Hammer (which i would have represented with a nicely large/ornate power fist), it really kind of kills my army's theme...

What about the Crimson Fist guy then? I've heard some say he makes Sternguard into Troops, and others say he just makes them Scoring.

Just scoring. He does grant +1 attacks to all friendly units within 12" though, which is potentially pretty amazing.

**Aduro**

Alright, that's the version I was assuming was correct. May use him instead. Thanks for the info.

**Alpharius**

Does anyone know if the Heavy Flamer in the new Codex an Assault Weapon?

I'm pretty sure that Power Armored troops can take one now, so I certainly hope it is!

**MinMax**

Alpharius wrote:Does anyone know if the Heavy Flamer in the new Codex an Assault Weapon?

I'm pretty sure that Power Armored troops can take one now, so I certainly hope it is!

The Heavy Flamer is indeed an Assault weapon.

Tac squads can't take Heavy Flamers, but Sternguard Veterans can.

**Nurglitch**

It brings the Heavy Flamethrower profile into line with the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Chaos Space Marines. Nothing surprising.

**MinMax**

Nurglitch wrote:It brings the Heavy Flamethrower profile into line with the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Chaos Space Marines. Nothing surprising.

Huh? The Heavy Flamer stats are exactly the same as they were in the 4th edition Space Marine codex.

**H.B.M.C.**

Nurglitch wrote:It brings the Heavy Flamethrower profile into line with the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Chaos Space Marines. Nothing surprising.

Does anyone else find that as deliciously ironic as I do?

BYE

**Rosicrucian**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nurglitch wrote:It brings the Heavy Flamethrower profile into line with the Dark Angels, Blood Angels, and Chaos Space Marines. Nothing surprising.

Does anyone else find that as deliciously ironic as I do?

BYE

The Heavy Flamer has never been a heavy weapon. It's assault 1 in the original 3rd ed. marine codex even.

**Ratbarf**

Yah its been a heavy weapon for an entire edition. Where have you been.

**Red__Thirst**

2 questions:

Can you arm a captain miniature with, say a powerfist and a power weapon (or relic blade, etc)?

Is that an option, or not?

Also, not asking for stats, but what is the wargear on Pedro Kantor? Does his wargear have any special rules (outside of dorns arrow, the assault 4 Stormbolter)?

Thanks!

-Red__Thirst-

**Rosicrucian**

Red__Thirst wrote:2 questions:

Can you arm a captain miniature with, say a powerfist and a power weapon (or relic blade, etc)?

Is that an option, or not?

Also, not asking for stats, but what is the wargear on Pedro Kantor? Does his wargear have any special rules (outside of dorns arrow, the assault 4 Stormbolter)?

Thanks!

-Red__Thirst-

Yep you can give him two weapons of pretty much any variety you like.

Pedro just has a Power Fist, Dorn's Arrow, an Iron Halo, and frag and krak. Other than Dorn's Arrow his gear is standard, its worth noting that the arrow is AP4 though. Also, he is a chapter master so he has orbital bombardment.

**Red__Thirst**

Thanks Rosicrucian, I appreciate the information

I remember that the arrow was AP:4, definitely pretty cool. Too bad his PF doesn't get a nifty 'strike at higher initiative once per game' sort of rule, but he does have orbital bombardment, and is a nice army-booster as well.

Thanks again!

-RT-

**H.B.M.C.**

How does the Marine Orbital Bombardment work anyway?

BYE