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Kanluwen wrote:Frankly, I'm hoping this "SuperTerminator" monstrosity is a miscommunication. I can't think of any way this could be successful in terms of a look or theme.

It's not a Thunderwolf(which I still maintain is a cool and thematic concept for the Space Wolves! Just pisspoorly executed in model format.) issue for that concept, at least not in my mind. It's like Trygons suddenly being able to spawn an unending tide of pink, fluffy bunnies.

by superterminator do you mean the dreadknight thing or the 2w terminator sqaud? the former i'm not partial to but i like the idea of the later. the GK fluff mentions that their termies are heroes practically without peer in the imperium and the 2w statline demonstrates that (combined with the ws5 and other GK abilities).

Tougher Terminators (ha!) sound a lot better to me than the Dreaded Dreadknight with its massive Dreadcannon firing out psychically charged Dread Rounds.

Dreadful!

Alpharius wrote:Tougher Terminators (ha!) sound a lot better to me than the Dreaded Dreadknight with its massive Dreadcannon firing out psychically charged Dread Rounds.

Dreadful!

the possibility of that terminator squad is why i'm keeping my extra captain stern models (somehow i've ended up with 3 judo-chop GKTs!) out of my swap shop ad despite throwing in my grey knights there. i'd still like an impressive sounding unit like 2w GKT for apoc games to go with my inquisitor rex in his pimpmobile!

Alpharius wrote:"Warp Spider" PAGK's was always a wish-list sounding thing anyway - and really, it never made any 'sense' either.

Jetbikes, while quite cool, again would have been a stretch.

And yes, I know GW can change their background at any time but that would be a stretch even for them.

(OK, Thunderwolves, I know!)

Agreed.

warboss wrote: the GK fluff mentions that their termies are heroes practically without peer in the imperium and the 2w statline demonstrates that

So what you're saying is that an army with two wounds has a lot going for it? I remember hearing that before somewhere...

RE: The 2 wound terms...one thing I haven't seen anyone talk about is this;

It was mentioned that they will be similar to Wolf Guard in terms of wargear options.
They will have two wounds.



Wound allocation on customizable 2 wound Terminators.......

This is Frank, he carries a Halberd and Storm Shield
This is Tom, he carries a storm bolter and Halberd
This is Bill, he carries a psyk grenade, Halberd and Storm Shield
etc.

Commander Endova wrote:I'll be fairly sad if the Storm Raven is the only FA. I was really hoping for jetbikes and PAGK that could teleport a little like Warp Spiders. Or were these already debunked?

I'd actually be really glad if there were no jetbikes. I don't want GK to be like Space Marines any more than they have to be, especially with physical abilities>psychic ones. No bikes, no Jump Packs, mo missile launchers, no lascannons, nothing of the sort.

AgeOfEgos wrote:RE: The 2 wound terms...one thing I haven't seen anyone talk about is this;

It was mentioned that they will be similar to Wolf Guard in terms of wargear options.
They will have two wounds.

now if only they were riding those fabled jetbikes...

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

warboss wrote: the GK fluff mentions that their termies are heroes practically without peer in the imperium and the 2w statline demonstrates that

So what you're saying is that an army with two wounds has a lot going for it? I remember hearing that before somewhere...

eh, they'll still be meltafodder/demolisherbait since i doubt they'll have eternal warrior if this rumor is true. i'm just excited that they'll actually play like movie/novel marines with the ability to shrug off a lasgun wound and keep fighting instead of having their geneseed harvested every time they roll a 1.

All that Gene seed has gotta come from somewhaere...

So far I am basically cool with all the rumors (even the dreadknight thingy) except the you all have to wait three extra months because we want to you get bored and buy different toys before you buy these toys one.

Well I'm not really interested in a new codex.

But plastic GK Terminators would make awesome Chaos Terminators for my Emperors Children,since they are armed like Fulgrims Bodygaurds.

Im all for a super size termie, as long as it looks good. A termie the size of a wraithguard would be sweet. Id buy a couple.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why can't they release both during the same month? There was a time, a long time ago, where the "New Releases" section of White Dwarf contains all the models that were coming out that month for Fantasy, 40K and whatever Specialist game was hot that year.

Is there some sort of contractual thing that forbids them from releasing stuff for more than one game system a month?

You know how I was talking about how GW seems to be intent on killing my interest in them? Yeah, that.

I'm curious to see how hard it will be to integrate exsisting Inquisitorial forces (witch hunters, for example) using the new DH codex. I use my =I= forces as an addition to my IG army... Kind of hoping that the storm troopers remain troops choices..it was a nice alternative to the over-priced (in my humble opinion) storm troopers available as elite choices.

I can tell you if I see IST in elite slots in the DH codex I am going to flip my sh*t. You cannot put storm troopers in line with grey knight terminators, and above power armoured grey knights. Its completely stupid.

Alpharius wrote:Tougher Terminators (ha!) sound a lot better to me than the Dreaded Dreadknight with its massive Dreadcannon firing out psychically charged Dread Rounds.

Dreadful!

would be cooler than hanging out on Baal. At a BloodStarBucks. Drinking a BloodMocha whilst writing a BloodTerm paper on my BloodMac BloodBook BloodPro. I of course would be BloodTom. Cuz if it doesn't say Blood in front, it ain't Baalite BloodBiatch!

Jaon wrote:I can tell you if I see IST in elite slots in the DH codex I am going to flip my sh*t. You cannot put storm troopers in line with grey knight terminators, and above power armoured grey knights. Its completely stupid.

There should be a place for them though, the unit makes sense with fluff and fills a role in this codex. How was this such a big rumor before and now completely squashed?

Yeah I agree with that. I think they should be troops. Ill be damned if their elites is what Im saying.

Well, if 1/4 of the new 10(!!!!?!) special characters is true, Inquisitorial armies will likely be viable. That's what, 2.5 SCs for the Inquisition? And then 7.5 for the GKs? At least the Inquisition aspect isn't being TOTALLY scrapped, as GW is putting out SCs for it.

Oh yes, and I'm going to enjoy my .5 heroes! I'm hoping that there are a few squad upgrade heroes, ala Telion.

So wait if regular space marines get terminator armor which is tactical dreadnought armor..

Shouldent Grey Knights get tactical titan armor

Enough with the titan jokes guys, seriously :/

Jaon wrote:GW is like a really slutty, mean, really, really hot girlfriend who knows you have lots of money. They keep bringing you back in with promises of cake and ass, but the cake is a lie and it's your ass.

Fixed

The idea of stormtroopers being available as troops via a special character and being able to take terminators via the same route allows players to choose how they wish to streamline their army. It suggests an emphasis which players can place on their army. It shows that there will be different 'builds' available.

Looking around the internet, whenever you look for daemonhunters tactics/how to play them etc, I find that most such articles concentrate on pure Grey Knight armies. This suggests (and I may be wrong) that the most popular element of the daemonhunters army is the Grey Knights.

So, in keeping with space marine codices, GW are releasing Codex: Grey Knights which makes sense to me - they have seen the most popular aspect of a daemon hunters army and are catering to the tastes of their customers.

All the rumours to me suggest that, in fact, an inquisition army is also going to be a perfectly plausible build - take a particular SC and you have access stormtroopers as troops. Inquisitors will still be in there as will their retinues. There has been talk of conscripts, too. And there has been a lot of talk about the temple assassins having a more up to date role. 0-3 on those guys as well by all accounts which is great. And death cult assassins will still be in there.

It seems like there will be plenty of options for an Inquisition army as far as I can see, and let's not forget that the Grey Knights are also a part of an Inquisition force as well.

Apart from some pretty cheesy sounding rumours which I don't particularly like, I don't see why there is so much negative opinion surrounding some players wishes to field an =I= army. Most of the rumours sound pretty good to me, apart from losing the S6 as standard but mostly, pretty good.

ColdSadHungry wrote:Apart from some pretty cheesy sounding rumours which I don't particularly like, I don't see why there is so much negative opinion surrounding some players wishes to field an =I= army. Most of the rumours sound pretty good to me, apart from losing the S6 as standard but mostly, pretty good.

I think some people want a pure GK army so you can field pure GK withought having to take additional units, so instead of a DH codex they want a GK and an inquisition one

Jaon wrote:I can tell you if I see IST in elite slots in the DH codex I am going to flip my sh*t. You cannot put storm troopers in line with grey knight terminators, and above power armoured grey knights. Its completely stupid.

I think IST in some sort of flier (Read Valk) make emminnet sense for a FA slot.

Or Infiltrated ISTs.

Well, I personally love SCs, so the inclusion of a massive amount of new ones is a +1 for me.

I just hope we get a GK dread Hero and a Justicar character upgrade Hero. The thoughts behind this being based around a few of the other 5th Codices, where a squad can take a Hero upgrade for XX amount of points. The dread Hero is taken from BA/SW Codices where both of them recieved Dreadnought Heroes.

Wishilisting a little more here, an assassin Hero? (Please?)

Footsloggin wrote:Well, I personally love SCs, so the inclusion of a massive amount of new ones is a +1 for me.

I just hope we get a GK dread Hero and a Justicar character upgrade Hero. The thoughts behind this being based around a few of the other 5th Codices, where a squad can take a Hero upgrade for XX amount of points. The dread Hero is taken from BA/SW Codices where both of them recieved Dreadnought Heroes.

Wishilisting a little more here, an assassin Hero? (Please?)

Somehow I think a GK hero with a AP 1 str D large template weapon is more likely. (and, sadly, has been the direction GW has been sliding in...)

No no no! TED NOT SLOW!

OT, I would be sorely disappointed with GW if they make an "I pwnzor everythin 4 eva lolololololol" SC.

I'd like a Hero that has a wide array of Psychic powers, yes. I wouldn't like a Hero who has a single power that completly dominates all others and makes the others a stupid choice.

SCs should have some variety, the "classes" being: a Force-Multiplier/Squad Enhancer/Heavy-Hitter/Utility. I suspect most GK heroes to be Heavy-Hitters with some utility or squad enhancement. Meanwhile the few Inquisition Heroes will likely be Force-Multipliers or Squad Enhancers.

That being said, I hope GW doesn't make my GK a shame to play...

+1!

Its almost like an MMO trinity, only TTRPG Quadality!

Yup, most SCs fall under those catagories, if not all. Fateweaver? Utility/Force-Multiplier/Multiple-Squad enhancer. Abbadon? Heavy-Hitter, definitely.

So ya, I think of it as a big MMO Square with a big X in the middle. With each SC supporting your force in a different way, both directly and indirectly.

Footsloggin wrote:Yup, most SCs fall under those catagories, if not all. Fateweaver? Utility/Force-Multiplier/Multiple-Squad enhancer. Abbadon? Heavy-Hitter, definitely.

So ya, I think of it as a big MMO Square with a big X in the middle. With each SC supporting your force in a different way, both directly and indirectly.

Yes, but those things would require GW to produce a codex that doesn't need a FAQ on the say of release because people are claiming that it hits embarked units and cover saves don't apply.


Again, I think that the volcano cannon/bolter combi weapon is more likely. Particularly with all the rumors of being a 2k point twenty mini army.