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Why can't they release both during the same month? There was a time, a long time ago, where the "New Releases" section of White Dwarf contains all the models that were coming out that month for Fantasy, 40K and whatever Specialist game was hot that year.

Is there some sort of contractual thing that forbids them from releasing stuff for more than one game system a month?

A B.S. marketing plan that seems to operate under the (fallacious) assumption that the customer is a 'GW fan' who is a consumer of all armies and systems, and therefore they ought not distract him with multiple releases.

Yeah I don't quite get it either.

Jack

H.B.M.C. wrote:Why can't they release both during the same month? There was a time, a long time ago, where the "New Releases" section of White Dwarf contains all the models that were coming out that month for Fantasy, 40K and whatever Specialist game was hot that year.

Is there some sort of contractual thing that forbids them from releasing stuff for more than one game system a month?

more like some marketing person assumes that releasing more than one product stops people from impulse buying everything

i do find it a bit ironic that the oldest codex getting updated has now apparently bumped the second oldest codex back.

It's because we(Dakkites) represent a small percentage of the relatively small wargaming population.

GW will not do this unless they actually try it(sounds stupid right?). The probability of GW releasing two seperate things in one month is again, small... Doesn't mean we can't hope though.

I doubt the whole put back rumours are even true, although based off my own intelligence, I dont think GK will coincide with Dark Eldar second wave. Hopefully we see GK by may (my birthday)

BrassScorpion wrote:For every person complaining about the supposed slow release of new GW game books there's another who will complain about having to buy a new book when it is released because they don't wish to spend the money on the book or revising their army(ies). GW is in a no-win situation all the time with it's own customers.

I really can't remember this being true in the last 4 years. Most of the time I only read about people who are excited, people who are unhappy about units or balance in the new book, but never someone unhappy about the 25$ to get a new book. People who are that unhappy about buying a new book torrent them (sad but true).

Turnover is ridiculously slow and now Stickmonkey says GK are pushed even further back!

From Warseer

My sources are saying GK may be much later this year. Sources say that because the DE release was so successful, that's why we are seeing a shuffling to get more DE models out sooner. More a financial decision than production from what I'm hearing. Hope it's not true.

Encouraged by their financially successful 1 Codex per 6 months policy, they now go even further with the new 0 Codices per 6 month policy to encourage even more sales. Maybe now they have enough time to make one playtest game before the release

Kroothawk wrote:Maybe now they have enough time to make one playtest game before the release

This just in WD magazines battle reports are based on serious competition in GW

Kroothawk wrote:Encouraged by their financially successful 1 Codex per 6 months policy, they now go even further with the new 0 Codices per 6 month policy to encourage even more sales. Maybe now they have enough time to make one playtest game before the release

Ha!

It is a strange policy...

If it gets pushed back I guess I'll just make an Imperial Guard army first.

Sad face... I have a Jusitcar and Termy just sittin' here waiting for the rest of the bros.

Sovereign6 wrote:If it gets pushed back I guess I'll just make an Imperial Guard army first.

Sad face... I have a Jusitcar and Termy just sittin' here waiting for the rest of the bros.

This is the response I see so often to news of "no second wave for a year" or "no more chaos for 4 years". People say "damn you GW" and then buy a different GW army. GW gets your money either way, so why release two different armies so close to each other?

Because sometimes, and more and more, people will just buy a playstation and the latest game... Or keep playing their old models while grumbling. Or buy non GW models, but, I agree, this is pretty uncommon.

Phil

Some new stuff to check out on Blood of Kittens about Grey Knights.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/01/06/network-news-grey-knight-rumors-revisited/

Sovereign6 wrote:If it gets pushed back I guess I'll just make an Imperial Guard army first.

Sad face... I have a Jusitcar and Termy just sittin' here waiting for the rest of the bros.

More time to do my Wargames Factory Shocktroops army.

And play my more insane Daemon Hunter combos for a bit longer.


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tastytaste wrote:Some new stuff to check out on Blood of Kittens about Grey Knights.

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/01/06/network-news-grey-knight-rumors-revisited/

For Great Laziness!

Just a quick heads up for everyone about the latest on GK rumors. Here are some quick clarifications and words of wisdom when you see the latest batch of leaks that will be coming from various other sites.

Expect more specific leaks coming out soon from various sites. Just keep in mind that these leaks will be coming from an older copy of the codex so expect changes to the final print, but nothing too major.

The playtesting phase is done for the GKs

As BoLS and Blood of Kittens reported before about the MC GK has taken the slot away from what was originally given to Penitent Engines. The MC will be an Elite slot that is already becoming quite crowded with units. GK will be the Special Characters codex look for over 10 new special characters to play with at least 1/4 being inquisitorial in nature.

Assume any special powers (not USRs) are psychic powers instead. As an example, if you have Land Raider and it is immune to something it will be a psychic power (not wargear) same goes for Special Character powers. The ability to raise AV is almost certainly out of the codex or at the very least regulated to transports only. The Stormraven is currently still the only Fast Attack unit in the codex. The ability for GKs to teleport once per game is for basic GKs only not for terminators. Don’t believe any stats for the incinerator it is the one major piece of wargear that is still being debated. The special character that makes terminators cheaper can only make one squad cheaper think Tau honor guard.

If you been following the rumor train you will notice corroborationsand confirmations with the original rumors posted here before anyone else. To catch up on all the pervious rumors about Grey Knights just follow this link…

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2010/12/03/network-news-the-final-grey-knight-rumor-reveal/

as well BoLS latest rumors are pretty spot and keeping with what was reported here first.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2010/12/40k-rumors-holiday-grey-knight-chatter.html

As always just reference Blood of Kittens if you copy and paste this to any other site.

BrassScorpion wrote:For every person complaining about the supposed slow release of new GW game books there's another who will complain about having to buy a new book when it is released because they don't wish to spend the money on the book or revising their army(ies). GW is in a no-win situation all the time with it's own customers.

You're making this up. What you fail to recognise is that there's a difference between armies that don't need fixing, and armies that do need fixing. GKs have zero plastics and an underpowered, sparse army list. GK players are less likely to complain about getting a new codex than, say, 3.5 Chaos, simply because their current position means a new codex is unlikely to make things worse.

You're making this up.

1) No, I'm certainly not. How could anyone miss all the complaints that appear on this and every other 40K forum all the time about virtually everything GW does or does not do?
2) What needs fixing is highly subjective. Example, some people love 5th edition, others already can't wait for a change. Some people insist they never want to play anything but 2nd Edition (a lot of those seem to come to my local store the past few months).
3) I've already had other users here validate the fact that every change GW makes is met with at least some vociferous complaining. Even when something "needs" fixing, the new version is going to be hated by some customers no matter what I'm afraid.

Generally the complaints I have read are about what GW has done to the re-released codex compared to what it was.

That is rather distinct from complaining that the re-release happened at all.

I was. . .anxious for the Tyranid codex. The idea of "needing" new/more models was not the issue, at all. In fact it was rather exciting.

It was the FAQ that ticked me off.

I just want to know what was wrog with the one codex per quarter, one wfb army per quarter policy that GW used throughout most of 3rd and 4th edition...

And when Tomb Kings & Tau are going to get updated... Tomb Kings have got to be of a similar age to GKs and Necrons by now

But necrons are billions of years old, older than the dawn of time?

I am totally unaware of the WHFB happenings, are tombkings really that outdated?

GW has expanded since 3rd and 4th, and as has been said numerous times, they dont want to distract potential dark eldar buyers with a GK codex to soon. Their hoping people get both. Why such a company, being so rich, would go to such lengths to farm money is beyond me.

Back to rumours.

So blood of kittens (as linked above) has just posted this:


Assume any special powers (not USRs) are psychic powers instead. As an example, if you have Land Raider and it is immune to something it will be a psychic power (not wargear) same goes for Special Character powers. The ability to raise AV is almost certainly out of the codex or at the very least regulated to transports only. The Stormraven is currently still the only Fast Attack unit in the codex. The ability for GKs to teleport once per game is for basic GKs only not for terminators. Don’t believe any stats for the incinerator it is the one major piece of wargear that is still being debated. The special character that makes terminators cheaper can only make one squad cheaper think Tau honor guard.

This brings up a couple interesting points. Grey Knights are not going to be the "walk in the park MC slayers", and nids dont have anything to fear, because pretty much all GK abilities are psychic. Having psychic protection is going to really cripple any attempts by grey knights to do damage. Sure now and then they can struggle through a 3d6 psy test and instant death a trygon or something, but Psychic hoods and whatever the hell eldar have are going to make it tough for GK to do it the easy way.

EDIT: when I say this, I mean GK wont be able to call on their horde effecting psychic powers like Holocaust to smash gaunts or their Force weapons to kill instant creatures or their str5 storm bolters (if thats a psychic power and not ammo?) to mow down lesser beings as easily as people think because they are psychic powers. Even without interference, theres a chance that they will fail, even wounding the grey knight using them. But once again, GK do have the good old fashion storm bolter and NFW to use as back up

Its good that the AV psychic ability is gone / only on transports, because it really could have been quite broken. I can see entire walls of FAV 14 chimeras and the like, or bolstering the rear armour making them immune to close combat. Its fair transports have them, but if dreadnoughts or what have you could +2 to one AV, there would be shenanigans.

Dont like the sound of only making one squad of GK termies cheaper. While its still a plus, its not going to let you field 30 terminators as an army. What it WILL do is let you take a well rounded army, but still take terminators on top of that for a cheap price. single 10 man terminator squad here I come! (Lets pray for combat squads yeah?)

Im thinking incinerator is going to have the same stats as last edition honestly.

Storm raven as only fast attack is odd. What else do GK have thats fast attack? Will they have teleport attack squads? Who knows.

I believe the "only PAGK can use teleport, not TAGK" rumour is true. Safely jumping terminator squads to where you want them is hax. Jump them 12' from an objective, fire storm bolters, assault next turn would be a winning stategy if you could jump terminators. Same can be done with PAGK, but they dont always have the right to expect to win every combat their in What I am wondering is this: Is one squad per army per game able to use the teleport? or can EACH PAGK squad use their's once per game?

I'll be fairly sad if the Storm Raven is the only FA. I was really hoping for jetbikes and PAGK that could teleport a little like Warp Spiders. Or were these already debunked?

Pretty sure jet bikes were debunked. As much as I love jet bikes and would want them in my future army, I dont see them being fluffy in grey knights.

I, off my own intel, believe there will be teleport attacks squads that act like jump infantry, ala warpspiders. Or at least PAGK that can come onto the board safely, like a drop pod, only secure teleportation

ph34r wrote:

Sovereign6 wrote:If it gets pushed back I guess I'll just make an Imperial Guard army first.

Sad face... I have a Jusitcar and Termy just sittin' here waiting for the rest of the bros.

This is the response I see so often to news of "no second wave for a year" or "no more chaos for 4 years". People say "damn you GW" and then buy a different GW army. GW gets your money either way, so why release two different armies so close to each other?

Well I don't really have an army yet, so I wanna start one soon and get a few home games in. If I gotta wait until April or so, that'll be terrible. Though, if they give a for sure release date, I could bare with it. Maybe buy a few units here and there to paint

Kroothawk wrote:Encouraged by their financially successful 1 Codex per 6 months policy, they now go even further with the new 0 Codices per 6 month policy to encourage even more sales. Maybe now they have enough time to make one playtest game before the release

Quit stealing my shtick Kroot!

Im quite worried how such an elite army will be competitive while keeping GK at heart.

Sure if you take the inquisition route and spam dudes with bs 3 storm bolters or whatever it will most likely be competitive but the expensiveness of units such as PAGK, land raiders and TAGK makes you only be able to afford like, 20 PAGK + transport + special weapons, 5 TAGK, their special weapons, a HQ and a land raider. No matter how elite they are, if a horde of orks can beat them because they simply dont have the numbers, what hope do we have?

Jaon wrote:Im quite worried how such an elite army will be competitive while keeping GK at heart.

You've read the Blood Angel Codex right? And the Dark Eldar Codex? Yeah?

You've got nothing to worry about.

No but I expect 10 PAGK to easily beat 10 blood angels assault marines.

This is going to be elite elite army isnt it?

[quote=Jaon

they dont want to distract potential dark eldar buyers with a GK codex to soon. Their hoping people get both. Why such a company, being so rich, would go to such lengths to farm money is beyond me.

"Warp Spider" PAGK's was always a wish-list sounding thing anyway - and really, it never made any 'sense' either.

Jetbikes, while quite cool, again would have been a stretch.

And yes, I know GW can change their background at any time but that would be a stretch even for them.

(OK, Thunderwolves, I know!)

Frankly, I'm hoping this "SuperTerminator" monstrosity is a miscommunication. I can't think of any way this could be successful in terms of a look or theme.

It's not a Thunderwolf(which I still maintain is a cool and thematic concept for the Space Wolves! Just pisspoorly executed in model format.) issue for that concept, at least not in my mind. It's like Trygons suddenly being able to spawn an unending tide of pink, fluffy bunnies.