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However, they still have ACCESS to the same equipment if necessary. Not all regiments make use of it because they have different roles, but it's very unlikely that the Mars Pattern Short Lasgun, the Imperial Guard Flak armor, and the basic Imperial Guard Infantry Kit (what I described earlier plus what's in the IIUP) aren't available to all regiments that request it, unless there are supply problems. Similarly, Officers are also given a standard issue laspistol upon reaching officer ranks, although many officers prefer different pistols for superior firepower or simply style.

But when the regiment is being formed? What good is forming a regiment if they if they don't have guns to fire? That's the reason why they adopted the Mars Pattern Short Lasgun. It's easy to make, easy to supply, easy to ship, durable, rugged. It can be supplied to every Guardsman in every regiment in the Imperium if necessary. Some of them use wooden stocks, others use skeleton stocks, or other modifications. It's a choice of the regiment whether or not they use it, and how they use it.

Same with every other piece of equipment the Guard has.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Coa can you try a little harder to not insult an entire group of people everytime you post? Can't believe you didn't get a warning for calling Americans stupid and Jews cheap.

Well Kami, people can try a little harder to present facts and not wild imagination. Like writing that modern regular trooper is trained like Imperial Guard Stormtrooper.
I am sorry if this hit's you because you are Canadian, but the true is - your army lack combat experience no matter the training.
Even I go trough 3 wars, and I have 21 year.

@Melissia
Worked for the Soviets.

No it didn't. They were losing to the Germans until they managed to get their act together and begin to work like something that remotely resembled a well oiled machine (and until the Germans realized that Russian winters are colder than a witch's thorax).

@Raul, yes. especially on the Equipment. In The Lost, a trooper was executed by a commissar for dropping his gun.

@Kamikaze Canuck, That's Americans, Jews AND Canadians all insulted in one small post.

<rude and inappropriate statement redacted; behave! --Janthkin>

So are we all agreeing?

Imperial Guard is more like standard army.

And the task of rangers are executed by Stormtroopers.

But I wonder.... could we count Elysians and Haraconians into rangers? They are paratroopers but they are excellent in quick precision attacks.

Eh, I still say Stormtroopers are closer to special forces units. The kind you pick to do lighting stealth raids behind enemy lines and then withdraw.

But yes, I would say drop troops often function the same way as Rangers are supposed to-- easily deployable light infantry.

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Coa can you try a little harder to not insult an entire group of people everytime you post? Can't believe you didn't get a warning for calling Americans stupid and Jews cheap.

Well Kami, people can try a little harder to present facts and not wild imagination. Like writing that modern regular trooper is trained like Imperial Guard Stormtrooper.
I am sorry if this hit's you because you are Canadian, but the true is - your army lack combat experience no matter the training.
Even I go trough 3 wars, and I have 21 year.

Canada has been involved in more UN peacekeeping than any other nation. A year hasn't gone by since the 50s that Candians Troops haven't been in combat zones. Your country is known for being bombed while commiting genocide on civilians. That's hardly full-blown war either.

Adding to the fact that they have one of the most elite special forces in the world.

Melissia wrote:No it didn't. They were losing to the Germans until they managed to get their act together and begin to work like something that remotely resembled a well oiled machine (and until the Germans realized that Russian winters are colder than a witch's thorax).

What are you talking about? They were picking the German advance to pieces right off the bat!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_kursk Actually read this. Awesome battle. Also, check out the battle of Wizna. Thermopylae much?

And as for winter-I spent two years in Nunavut. Just about the coldest place ever. It really depends on the nationality of the attacking army when it comes to how the winter affects them. In 1995 (w/ windchill) it got to -79 Celsius in Iqaluit, the average temperature on Mars is -67. 12 degrees colder than most of Mars $h1T! I know, I know, off topic, but I like winter and thought I'd share a few facts




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Also, to settle the disputes, they way I see modern special forces is:

1. SAS. They are simply the best of the best.

2. US special forces (all of them)

3. Spetsnaz

4. JTF2+CSOR

5. Israeli special forces.

The rest.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Canada has been involved in more UN peacekeeping than any other nation. A year hasn't gone by since the 50s that Candians Troops haven't been in combat zones. Your country is known for being bombed while commiting genocide on civilians. That's hardly full-blown war either.

And that's the problem, we are the bad guys in your eyes.

All have forgotten our sacrifice in 1'st world war, in second world war or the fact that we always push for peace with USA and USSR. And that we create the league of Non-Aligned Movement to ensure peace in the world. And you all judge us because 3 idiots who led us into disarray and the darkest times since the beginning of the century.

If I am to look at the USA only when they exterminate Indians and prosecuting black people, and not seeing their donations and sacrifice in WW2, I would see USA as bad guys to.
Who is now insulting?

im2randomghgh wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_kursk

A valiant victory, but it was still only AFTER the Germans managed to punch all the damn way through to Stalingrad. This was about the time that the Russians began to get properly organized and equipped. That's when the Russians really began to start kicking German ass.

im2randomghgh wrote:
@Kamikaze Canuck, That's Americans, Jews AND Canadians all insulted in one small post.

I only said the truth. Serbs are known for being reckless and idiots. We think that we are the smartest and oldest people in the world and that we can pick a fight with every nation we are bordering with and won, no matter we are dying people.

<redacted text removed>

Talking about manners I at least admit when I am wrong...

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Canada has been involved in more UN peacekeeping than any other nation. A year hasn't gone by since the 50s that Candians Troops haven't been in combat zones. Your country is known for being bombed while commiting genocide on civilians. That's hardly full-blown war either.

And that's the problem, we are the bad guys in your eyes.

All have forgotten our sacrifice in 1'st world war, in second world war or the fact that we always push for peace with USA and USSR. And that we create the league of Non-Aligned Movement to ensure peace in the world. And you all judge us because 3 idiots who led us into disarray and the darkest times since the beginning of the century.

If I am to look at the USA only when they exterminate Indians and prosecuting black people, and not seeing their donations and sacrifice in WW2, I would see USA as bad guys to.
Who is now insulting?

Because you did the same thing. For some reason Canada's contributions in WWI and WWII didn't count a second ago. BTW guess who had the biggest single day advance in both WWI and WWII? Look let's cool down the rhetoric because this'll go bad quick. I'm just suggesting you stop making blanket generallizations about groups of people, they usually turn out badly.

im2randomghgh wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_kursk Actually read this. Awesome battle. Also, check out the battle of Wizna. Thermopylae much?

Actually German would won the battle if Hitler didn't pull half of German forces from that battle to Italy to push back the Allies.
Again another battle lost because of the madman.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Coa can you try a little harder to not insult an entire group of people everytime you post? Can't believe you didn't get a warning for calling Americans stupid and Jews cheap.

Well Kami, people can try a little harder to present facts and not wild imagination. Like writing that modern regular trooper is trained like Imperial Guard Stormtrooper.
I am sorry if this hit's you because you are Canadian, but the true is - your army lack combat experience no matter the training.
Even I go trough 3 wars, and I have 21 year.

Canada has been involved in more UN peacekeeping than any other nation. A year hasn't gone by since the 50s that Candians Troops haven't been in combat zones. Your country is known for being bombed while commiting genocide on civilians. That's hardly full-blown war either.

If that's not a good retaliation, I don't know what is. Canada has been in many conflicts to back the United States up and many on their own. They have my respect for sure....

I wasn't much to fond of the "Americans are stupid" remark either. People may think this but the United States military could stomp most of the others in this world, save the other developed nations. However a war with one of these nations would have horrible results for the rest of the world as well.

Back on topic....
You could say the various groups of "elite" IG could be compared to the countries special forces they are more like to make things easier.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Because you did the same thing. For some reason Canada's contributions in WWI and WWII didn't count a second ago. BTW guess who had the biggest single day advance in both WWI and WWII? Look let's cool down the rhetoric because this'll go bad quick. I'm just suggesting you stop making blanket generallizations about groups of people, they usually turn out badly.

What? I know Canadian contributions, but they fight under the banner of British Empire not sovereign nation. And Canadians didn't won some large battle by themselves at all.
Biggest single day in advance? We liberate our entire country in less than a month in WW1, with Bulgarian, Austro-Hunarian and German solders and artillery against us. Even the British and French cavalry where behind our troops with charge we have conducting.

I am just saying that Canadian army lack combat experience. I didn't say they are bad or that they suck. And i am not racist, I like our race - but truth hurts. Every nation have it's flaws and benefits. I din;t lie in any post I have maid.

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