Who is your favorite primarch in PRE-HERESY?

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**Redaxe13**

Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain? Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character. Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**Durza**

I agree on the Lorgar thing. He was the instigator of the entire Heresy, if he had been treated better by the Emperor, maybe the universe would be a happier place. Though Russ can't be a psyker. He uses the life of Fenris, which is a completely different thing la la la not listening.

I will have to dispute Fulgrim on a technicality though. He only killed one primarch, the daemon in his body killed the other. Or the daemon killed both depending on how you look at it.

**TheAngrySquig**

Redaxe13 wrote:Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain?
He wouldn't thats why I don't like him, he caused the heresy that is responsible for killing Sanguinius.
Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character.
Sanguinius is flawless but he isn't boring. He fought Horus, knowing he would die, but needed to to make sure The Emperor would see Horus was all the way gone.
Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!
Russ is a Space Viking, hes a badass plain and simple

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**Durza**

TheAngrySquig wrote:
Redaxe13 wrote:Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain?
He wouldn't thats why I don't like him, he caused the heresy that is responsible for killing Sanguinius.
Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character.
Sanguinius is flawless but he isn't boring. He fought Horus, knowing he would die, but needed to to make sure The Emperor would see Horus was all the way gone.
Except that his death just launched the Emperor towards his own, battling with a subconscious handicap against a being blessed by the four gods.
Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!
Russ is a Space Viking, hes a badass plain and simple
Though kind of a jerk wherever psykers and Rune Priests are involved.

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**TheAngrySquig**

Durza wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Redaxe13 wrote:Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain?
He wouldn't thats why I don't like him, he caused the heresy that is responsible for killing Sanguinius.
Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character.
Sanguinius is flawless but he isn't boring. He fought Horus, knowing he would die, but needed to to make sure The Emperor would see Horus was all the way gone.
Except that his death just launched the Emperor towards his own, battling with a subconscious handicap against a being blessed by the four gods.
No Sanguinius didn't give him the handicap, he had the handicap until he saw Sanguinius die and realized that Horus couldn't be saved
Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!
Russ is a Space Viking, hes a badass plain and simple
Though kind of a jerk wherever psykers and Rune Priests are involved.
That I'll agree with you on that

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**Durza**

He had the handicap until he saw Horus flay a man alive. Seeing Sanguinius just made the Emperor fight.

**TheAngrySquig**

Fair enough, I still don't think that Sanguinius gave him the disadvantage though

**Durza**

No, he didn't. I must have phrased it badly. I meant that Sanguinius' death made the Emperor fight even though he had a weakness because of his love for Horus.

**TheAngrySquig**

No, the Emperor would have fought no matter what, he basically had to. He knew horus was bad, he just couldn't bring himself to realize he was hopelessly lost

**Raulmichile**

TheAngrySquig wrote:
Durza wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Redaxe13 wrote:Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain?
He wouldn't thats why I don't like him, he caused the heresy that is responsible for killing Sanguinius.
Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character.
Sanguinius is flawless but he isn't boring. He fought Horus, knowing he would die, but needed to to make sure The Emperor would see Horus was all the way gone.
Except that his death just launched the Emperor towards his own, battling with a subconscious handicap against a being blessed by the four gods.
No Sanguinius didn't give him the handicap, he had the handicap until he saw Sanguinius die and realized that Horus couldn't be saved
Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!
Russ is a Space Viking, hes a badass plain and simple
Though kind of a jerk wherever psykers and Rune Priests are involved.
That I'll agree with you on that
Even though it doesn't mean he is not badass. Prosaic or ignorant concerning phsychic abilities, but stll a big badass, oh yeah...

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**TheAngrySquig**

Raulmichile wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Durza wrote:
TheAngrySquig wrote:
Redaxe13 wrote:Lorgars a boss... :/ Without Lorgar how would my beloved Tzeentch get into Horus's brain?
He wouldn't thats why I don't like him, he caused the heresy that is responsible for killing Sanguinius.
Sanguinius is flawless, aka the epitome of a boring and static character.
Sanguinius is flawless but he isn't boring. He fought Horus, knowing he would die, but needed to to make sure The Emperor would see Horus was all the way gone.
Except that his death just launched the Emperor towards his own, battling with a subconscious handicap against a being blessed by the four gods.
No Sanguinius didn't give him the handicap, he had the handicap until he saw Sanguinius die and realized that Horus couldn't be saved
Russ is also pretty lame, due to the famous I'm not the best at anything but I'm strategic and stuff so I'm apparently better than everyone at everything deal. People even think Russ would beat Angron in a close quarters fight. Just no... Soon I'm expecting Russ to be a more powerful psyker than Magnus. Russ will then surpass Fulgrim in prettiness. Oh yes, I'm sick of space wolves by the way!
Russ is a Space Viking, hes a badass plain and simple
Though kind of a jerk wherever psykers and Rune Priests are involved.
That I'll agree with you on that
Even though it doesn't mean he is not badass. Prosaic or ignorant concerning phsychic abilities, but stll a big badass, oh yeah...
Thanks a lot, now I have the image of Russ pulling a kool aid man and busting through a wall screaming OH YEAH!

The chaos primarchs are generally more interesting due to the flaws in their personalities.

My top three after thinking about it are, Magnus, Fulgrim, Lorgar. Fulgrim is just fabulous, and kills more primarchs than anyone else. Haters gonna hate

**Frazzled**

Spartacus, er Angron, fighting to be free.

Enough said.

**TheAngrySquig**

Mickey Mouse in Fantasia, Er Magnus, fighting for [sparkles]maaaagic[\sparkles]

Enough said

**Viersche**

Just read the Initial HH Novels and found Pre-Heresy Horus extremely likeable compared to the other primarchs

**TheAngrySquig**

Horus is pretty cool in everything I've read. Bit OT, but does anyone know any books with pre heresy World Eaters?

**DrexMartell**

Magnus: He foresaw everything happening through his psychic abilities, and that is just plain intriguing. because if he is reflective of the emperors capabilities, did the emperor not know then that this heresy was possibly a threat? and if so, is it not also feasible that the emperor planned for events to happen as they did, in the least to a lesser degree?

**TheAngrySquig**

DrexMartell wrote:Magnus: He foresaw everything happening through his psychic abilities, and that is just plain intriguing. because if he is reflective of the emperors capabilities, did the emperor not know then that this heresy was possibly a threat? and if so, is it not also feasible that the emperor planned for events to happen as they did, in the least to a lesser degree?

I think the Emperor Figured that if they didn't know about chaos, they couldnt fall to it. I think the emperor could see the heresy as a possible future, along with other simmilar choices. Maybe that's why he wanted to keep them all in the dark

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

TheAngrySquig wrote:Horus is pretty cool in everything I've read. Bit OT, but does anyone know any books with pre heresy World Eaters?

Tales of Heresy has a World Eaters short (After De...... something something)

You can always check the Black Library site. I don't think there are many pre-heresy world eater stories

**TheAngrySquig**

After De'Shea or something right? I thought that was when they were all khornate and rabblerabble?

**blazinpsycho&typhooni**

TheAngrySquig wrote:After De'Shea or something right? I thought that was when they were all khornate and rabblerabble?

Nope not yet!

It's when they find Angron.

**TheAngrySquig**

Oh okay then I'll check it out, thanks for the tip

**Omegus**

Durza wrote:
It was certainly a good depiction of his fall.

The imagery used in the novel was certainly a great presentation of the horrors of Chaos (and Slaanesh in particular), but IMO his fall made him look like a tool. He comes across as pompous and insecure.

Spoiler:

What a douche.

**Hunterindarkness**

I have not read a whole lot about them but , I put Ferrus Manus as my fav. Horus would come in second. Then Mortarion and Fulgrim. Not sure why those last two, just something about them I found intresting.

**TheAngrySquig**

What about Manus makes him your favorite? He always seemed a bit bland to me.

**Rorik The Red**

Gotta go with Russ. He's often labeled a brute and a bully, but for pete's sake this is the 31st Millennium we're talkin bout here. And yeah, Vikings are always awesome. Not to mention Russ fought with his heart, AND his brains. Most of these guys didn't really have a heart, and Russ' heart was so strong that it carries on in the rest of the Space Wolves even 10,000 years later. You'd be hard pressed to find a chapter more willing to stand up to the Inquisition, or any one, they do whats right, and that's not always the "Imperial" thing to do.

**TheAngrySquig**

He's the anti Fulgrim, he thinks with his upstairs head

**Hunterindarkness**

TheAngrySquig wrote:What about Manus makes him your favorite? He always seemed a bit bland to me.

I can not put my finger on it really. He just interests me. Everything I read I just want to learn more. I do not see him as bland in the lest, many of the others I find very bland. It is simply a matter of taste I would guess.

**TheAngrySquig**

I do kinda see where your coming from, but in general I find him to be overdone in the manly man of mantopia catergory

**Durza**

Rorik The Red wrote:Gotta go with Russ. He's often labeled a brute and a bully, but for pete's sake this is the 31st Millennium we're talkin bout here. And yeah, Vikings are always awesome. Not to mention Russ fought with his heart, AND his brains. Most of these guys didn't really have a heart, and Russ' heart was so strong that it carries on in the rest of the Space Wolves even 10,000 years later. You'd be hard pressed to find a chapter more willing to stand up to the Inquisition, or any one, they do whats right, and that's not always the "Imperial" thing to do.

Try reading sone of the pre-heresy stuff about them, back when Russ was actually in command about them.

**Hunterindarkness**

TheAngrySquig wrote:I do kinda see where your coming from, but in general I find him to be overdone in the manly man of mantopia catergory

I have only been exposed to him in one book and the little research online. I agree the manly man thing gets over the top(but so does 40k).