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Wicked Ghast




It seems to contain a lot of cool benefits, like a free exclusive model, which if that's not your thing, just give it to a friend for a gift, trust me, they make GREAT gifts (it's not my thing, but I buy them when I find them because my best friend LOVES those exclusives. Someone also mentioned that you could probably sell it for the cost of the sub yearly, and I'm willing to bet you can)

It seems like GW is really trying to fill out content around the hobby, so this isn't based just on animated entertainment, it will also include apparently lore deep dives, some more in-depth painting tutorials from some excellent painters, and a back catalog of things to read, like Gathering Storm and Sanctus Reach, (which is really convenient for me, since I lent out those books and never got them back, it might be nice to re-read them, YMMV) and some battle reports (which I personally am looking forward too, because it would be incredible to see what studio painted armies, on studio painted tables looks like in play, and I'm SUPER excited to see some narrative play ideas from them).

You get the app sub with it, which, while everyone bitches constantly about the app, I will say that it's been pretty good for me, especially since the last update. Maybe give it a shot since it's grown up a little?

60.00 a year is a negligible cost, so for me, it has a LOT of value to justify that price tag. I'm happy to see GW working hard to fill out the content material as the channel matures. Seems pretty cool to me.
   
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Atlanta, GA

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?


Fun fact: it was actually Louise Sugden who had the task of restoring and digitizing the old Rogue Trader and Realm of Chaos books in order for GW to do the reprints.
   
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Very excited to add that Vindicare to my Flesh Tearers army. Not a model I would normally spend money on but one that I've always enjoyed the aesthetic of.

Really liking this reveal and the potential of this subscription, and that is from someone who was initially very skeptical.
   
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Seabass wrote:
It seems to contain a lot of cool benefits, like a free exclusive model

It's not 'free'. It's built into the cost of the subscription.
   
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Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

Recent era WD won't be an issue to provide (although file formats may complicate stuff a bit)

but go too far back and they won't own the rights to digitally publish all the content in an issue as they'll have cheaped out and paid a freelancer for art/articles etc (or just solicited readers for material like letters) without getting the appropriate permissions (as nobody knew about digital back then)

the chapterhouse case showed how sloppy early GW was about ownership of something vs just paying to use it once/for something specific (eg a particular rulebook etc)

 
   
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Doesn't seem too bad, certainly if you're willing to count the model as 25 quid of value.

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Austria

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Seabass wrote:
It seems to contain a lot of cool benefits, like a free exclusive model

It's not 'free'. It's built into the cost of the subscription.

well, if you are already paying 5€ for the 40k App, you actually get a lot of free stuff on top off that
if you don't use the App, just wanted to have digital books and are not a friend of random minis using for display only, you pay extra for stuff you don't need

with this product, what is free, worth the price or expensive is totally on the point of view for the individual costumer

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Pass for me. Two minis i don't have a use for and can't choose (instead of making it any two character minis of your choice from a certain price range for example), drip fed animation, and stuff that should be free because it's entirely marketing (i.e. Battle reports) isn't worth it for me.
   
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Wicked Ghast




 Lord Damocles wrote:
Seabass wrote:
It seems to contain a lot of cool benefits, like a free exclusive model

It's not 'free'. It's built into the cost of the subscription.


The subscription service is there to provide digital content, this was their stated goal. The inclusion of a non-digital product with the digital content could reasonably be described as "free" given the scope of the venture and its intended purpose. If you want to argue the semantics of the word free, then fine, it's not free, it would more accurately be described as a value-add to encourage subscriptions given this new business venture. Typically, these kinds of value adds can be referred to as free without violating any kind of US marketing and consumer law. I'm sure it's probably similar to where you're from too. I'm willing to bet they are adding value-adds to this in an attempt to get a handle on the population of the streaming services and determine CA% for bandwidth as well as other infrastructure plans.

But, let's be fair, your statement most likely wasn't meant to determine the *exact* nature of any value-adds or whether or not they could be construed as free. I would hazard a guess is that it was to denigrate the evil GW empire as selling the model to sell the service so they can roll around in their Scrooge McDuck tower of cash naked while enjoying hookers and blow.

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 Mr. Grey wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?


Fun fact: it was actually Louise Sugden who had the task of restoring and digitizing the old Rogue Trader and Realm of Chaos books in order for GW to do the reprints.


Well, you know what we do with Witches?

We need to figure out the exact opposite and subject Louise Sugden to them for being awesome.

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 JoeRugby wrote:
£50 sub including a £25 mini so £2.09 a month for streaming, yeah I’ll do that.


Yeah. £2.09 and all the apps and such. Not bad.
   
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People complaining about the price spend probably more than that on soda, coffee or snacks a day, much less a month.

It's about the price of a tactical marine at current prices.

If it's not for you, cool. But some folks are interested.

   
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Commisar Marbh wrote:
People complaining about the price spend probably more than that on soda, coffee or snacks a day, much less a month.


Yes, but plenty of people cut down on soda and snacks because that cost adds up, yo.

That said, since I already subscribe to the AoS and 40k app this seems like a net gain for me.

   
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Virginia

Watching the Twitch steam, I found myself most excited for the narrative "historical" battle reports. Recreating the Siege of Terra with the might and resources of GW itself behind you? Yes please...

Here's a good Warhammer+ show pitch: Use the Total War Warhammer 3 game engine to recreate Old World battles in documentary format, like the old Decisive Battles show (using Rome Total War) on History Channel all those years ago.
   
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Wicked Ghast




Commisar Marbh wrote:
People complaining about the price spend probably more than that on soda, coffee or snacks a day, much less a month.

It's about the price of a tactical marine at current prices.

If it's not for you, cool. But some folks are interested.



This. 60.00 a year is a very small price tag, and most people spend more than that on crummy fast food in a week. I agree. It's ok if you don't see value in it. There is nothing wrong with that. But attempting to be as gakky as possible, arguing semantics of whether something is free or not (see above), and otherwise just trying to twist this into another "GW BAD" position is kind of just awful.

It's ok to not see value in it, and I can respect that. Everyone sees value in different things for different reasons. I have rifle scopes on a few rifles that cost as much as multiple armies with all the bells and whistles. Not everyone sees value in that. But there is no need to be as nasty about it as you can or to just twist it because you have a beef with GW.

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official Warhammer lore show, presented by experts.

Experts in...what?
Anyway, 50 pounds for a single model is a bit expensive, cause the rest, to me anyway, is not worth pirating let alone paying for. I'm sure plenty of people will be drawn to Official 40k wiki readings and painting tutorials thought.
   
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Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.
   
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Call me surprised because this is actually what I hoped GW would finally do, especially the Vault part sounds nice to me. Do we know if the books and WDs in there will be available in other languages?
After the 40K App debacle I didn't think GW would do something pretty inexpensive with seemingly good value already. And I don't even care about the minis.
   
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London

Honestly if you use the apps it's fantastic value. But the 40k app is (still) awful, so less so.

For me I think it lives on how much stuff they add to the print archive. That's worth money to me.

I was definitely hoping this might have been an opportunity to sort out the mess with there not being a readable copy of the digital codexes.
   
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Easy yes from me, very pleased to get the masterclass tutorials on there too
   
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Exceeded my expectations. I'll subscribe for the first year (up front for max savings) and see how it goes.

That vindicare assassin is EPIC.
   
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Gosport, UK

Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.


I think exclusive models like this are fine. It’s just a different posed Megaboss and a Vindicare with a fancy base. It’s not really anything not available to anyone for being exclusive.

I think I might cancel white dwarf and move to this for a year. It’s only slightly more expensive (like 2 quid I think) and I think I’ll get more out of it.
   
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Xalapa, Veracruz, Mexico

Wondering what "Exclusive subscriber offers" means.

If they ever say "subscribe to the annual model and get a whooping 2% off from your next Battleforce and a paper tissue saying "Thnx" in Sharpie this December", expect to see a peak in subscribers.
   
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 ImAGeek wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.


I think exclusive models like this are fine. It’s just a different posed Megaboss and a Vindicare with a fancy base. It’s not really anything not available to anyone for being exclusive.

I think I might cancel white dwarf and move to this for a year. It’s only slightly more expensive (like 2 quid I think) and I think I’ll get more out of it.


I get your point. But the fact that you only get the "privilige" to own these models if you stay subscribed to their service really does sit wrong with me. And of course you are right, those two models are alternatives of existing models, but still....new sculpts from GW often are better or more detailen than the old ones. So it's not necessary to own them, but locking them behind a subscription just sucks imo.

Edit: though I will give GW credit for making it just one model per subscriber. At least thats how I understood it....so at least it's gonna be really hard for scalpers, which is always a good thing.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
By my limited and indeed massively Luddite understanding, digitising such volumes isn’t much more than paying someone to scan in the old volumes, perhaps a digital spit and polish, then save it to the right format.

It’s almost certainly more complicated than that. But I’m wondering how much more complicated?

Perhaps a Dakkanaut with actual, genuine, relevant experience of creating an exportable digital archive could chime in?


Anything from about 2000 onward (if you have the original layout file) is a push of the button to whatever format. For older stuff, it can take a couple hours for a good OCR (i.e., text copyable) scan of the document, and usually requires an original document to be cut apart into its individual pages. Once you have a good master file though, sending it to another format type is a push of a button.

That said, WotC has made most of its old D&D catalog available, usually around $4.99 USD each - and a good portion of the work was done in the 90’s (and has been redone and upscale in the last few years).

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Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.


Thank you!

Seeing the new IronJawz model, a model for one of the most in dire need of new models ranges just made me livid.

Thankfully, I've moved on from 40K to things like Legion and Armada which are far better games. AoS is still fun for me, and I enjoy playing it...but god damn seeing that model pissed me the hell off.
   
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I assume if you buy the yearly subscription which is a better price, you’ll get the model straight away. As you are fully paid for the 12 months.
It’d be weird to make you wait when you’re not paying anything for the next 12 anyway.
   
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Upstate, New York

At that price point, I think this is a reasonable value. The mini really pushes it over the edge. If you rate a single model at $30 like GW is want to do, that leaves $30 of content. The 40k app is not worth what they charge for it alone, but if you rate it as worth a buck a month for premium access? Same for the AoS one? If you are a pure gamer, the apps and the mini are just about the price. Plus you get all the content, back library, videos etc.

If you don’t want the mini, (which I’m sure you could ebay) getting $60 a year out of this is a little rougher. But still, $5/mo for what you get is not a bad deal

Would I get more overall enjoyment out of this than another box of intercessors? Dollar per hour? I think so.


   
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British Columbia

So of course it is the opposite of that.

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Xalapa, Veracruz, Mexico

Togusa wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
Seriously, feth GW with their exclusive model bullcrap.


Thank you!

Seeing the new IronJawz model, a model for one of the most in dire need of new models ranges just made me livid.


Tbf I like the original one much more. Take it from a boy who really wants an IJ army but need the money to keep moving The Great Plan onwards.

Don't be surprised when it turns out that only 1 out of 99 costumers picked the Megaboss instead the Ass²in
   
 
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